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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: June 02, 2008, 11:55:18 PM »
yeah. He's convinced me. it couldn't be hemalurgy. Brandon himself says that 'they [the mists] had fueled her Allomancy"

Of course, Vin could be wrong, but i think she would know.

However, i do not believe that what we are seeing is mists being repelled. I think they are being burned. What is the basic, overriding principle of Allomancy? You burn metals to accomplish something, whether that is increasing your senses, strength, etc. With mists it is the same basic principle; they are being burned to accomplish something. They are not being repelled; they are melting away.

It could simply be that this is a technique that has been lost over the centuries to Mistborn; we know the Mistborn of old were more powerful. They certainly forgot about other things, such as the last six metals.

I think the earring has something to do with her being able to break through bronzeclouds. After all, the only time she has been able to use the mists was to fight TLR, but she can break bronzeclouds all the time.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hollywood Speculation
« on: June 02, 2008, 10:48:37 PM »
 >:( ;D >:( ;D >:( ;D >:( ;D

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: June 02, 2008, 10:47:27 PM »
Hum. Actually Andrew you are right.
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That day, they had fueled her Allomancy, giving her a strength they shouldn't have had.
Also, my previous quote about using the mist instead of metals supports this idea.
This would explain several things actually; why mistborn are called mistborn, and why the Allomancers of old were stronger than modern-day. It would not explain why mist follows them....but the fact that mist is around them allows them to burn it more often.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: June 02, 2008, 10:03:22 PM »
All right, due to chaos' request that the discussion from "the mists" be moved over here, my reply is here. Reaves, I believe that at the same time Vin is noticing how Zane can hover with Steelpushes, she remarks that doing that takes long hours of practice to learn enough control. Not that no one else could do it. As for Vin drawing on the mists, quote from Mistborn 1 Annotations, Chapter 38 part 3.

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The same is true for Allomancy. The vast majority of Allomancers aren't powerful enough to look beyond the basics. For them, simple rules like "You can't Push on metals inside of someone's body" apply. It's much easier to tell someone that, as opposed to "People's bodies interfere with Allomancy, making it much harder to affect metals inside of them--so hard, in fact, that only some people you'll never meet can Push on metals inside of people's bodies."

It is a matter of degree of power. Vin, for reasons I'll explain eventually, has access to far more Allomantic power than regular people. The Lord Ruler is the same way, though for different reasons. And so, he can affect metals that are blocked by blood. Vin has to draw upon another, external source of power in order to produce the same effect, but it is possible for her.


Also, MB1 annotations Chapter Nine

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The mists and Allomancy feeling right to Vin have something to do with the ending, where she draws upon the mists for an extra burst of power. I'm afraid I can't say more until we get to future books.

Between those two quotes, Brandon makes it seem like Vin drawing on the mist has more to do with her being particularly powerful in allomancy than anything else. The other thing that goes against your theory is that at the end of book one, when Vin is fighting the lord ruler, he pushes her earring away before she draws on the mists. Since this is supposedly her source of hemalurgical power, I think that it makes sense for the mists to be repelled by hemalurgy, and Vin somehow used a form of allomancy to "burn" the mists.

I'm trying to understand what you are saying. You believe that drawing on the mists is actually an Allomantic power? But hemalurgy allows her to do that? And you also say drawing on the mist has to do with her being particularly powerful in Allomancy? Can you try to explain? Because I'm pretty sure that Sanderson said the three magic systems are unique; intertwined, but unique.

As far as Zane goes, he has a spike in his back and likes to cut himself. We all agree that spikes/piercings give hemalurgy, yes? He also appears to 'push away' mist.

Also, for those of you who havent been following the "Mists" thread, my theory is that the mists are not actually being repelled from hemalurgists, but burned. The effect would visually look nearly the same, i think.
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from MB1 synopsis
While she was fighting him, she drew upon the mists somehow, burning them in place of metals.
Emphasis added, of course.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: June 02, 2008, 02:27:27 PM »
What do you mean? We have never heard of this ability from any other pure Allomancer. However, we do see the same effect from the Inquisitors and Zane. Also Elend notices the same thing from Vin as they are walking toward the Well.

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Zane stood on the balcony, his figure a black silhouette in the mists. He stepped forward, the mist following around him, as it did around anyone burning metals. And yet... it also seemed to be pushing away from him slightly.

I believe this is explained by the fact that Zane is both Allomancer and Hemalurgist. The mist follows him because he is an allomancer, and yet appears to be pushed away because he is unconsciously burning it. He also has more power than a vanilla allomancer, Vin notices his extreme control over Steelpushes. He in fact hovers in the air and can lower and raise himself slowly. Every other person we have ever seen who uses more than one magic system (eg Lord Ruler, Inquisitors, Vin) has more power/skill than others.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hollywood Speculation
« on: June 02, 2008, 02:03:16 PM »
Well iirc ookla and fellfrosch are some of Sanderson's alpha readers; i believe they know him in person. This would explain why they know what they do.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: June 02, 2008, 12:00:41 AM »
In the MB1 synopsis at the end of Well of Ascension, it says,
"While she was fighting him, she drew upon the mists somehow, burning them in place of metals."

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Voices
« on: June 01, 2008, 11:59:16 PM »
"those weren't coins, a voice seemed to whisper.
The bag Marsh shot at you. Those weren't coins. They were rings, Sazed. Eight of them. you took out two-eyesight and hearing. You left the other ones where they were.
In the pouch, tucked in your sash."


when i read it again it seems even stranger than it did before- the voice is referring to Sazed as you.


At this point, Sazed is trying to stop Vin from freeing whatever is in the Well.

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Brandon Sanderson / Voices
« on: June 01, 2008, 08:42:05 PM »
throughout MB 1 and 2, different people hear voices. Vin hears Reen's voice; we are not sure whether this is just a poetic way of saying what he would have done or if she is actually hearing something. Zane hears something he calls God. When Sazed was fighting Marsh, something told him to use the rings that marsh had shot at him. (that instance im not too sure about though, it could easily have just been Sazed's own thoughts. It just sounded weird.) And marsh himself does not know why he is doing what he is doing; this would lead us to believe he is being controlled by something else. Whether he hears voices or not we don't know.
        Thoughts?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: June 01, 2008, 08:35:24 PM »
I just read MB2 and i was thinking...what if the mist is not repelled when someone uses hemalurgy, but instead fed off of? The effect would look nearly the same, i think. This would not explain why it is attracted to Allomancy, and is probably wrong, but hey.

Also do we know of anyone who uses only hemalurgy? I'll have to reread the sections where Vin is sensing the mist spirit...

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Rants and Stuff / Re: Regarding SE's opinion of Jordan
« on: May 22, 2008, 12:11:15 AM »
Id say one of the things that make his stuff different is that he'll take something everyone has seen before (a werewolf) and make it something completely unique. There are literally dozens of these. More obvious ones are stuff the Forsaken talk about (elevators, phones). Trollocs i agree are uninspired, but a golem? (gholam) I was impressed.

Personally, i didnt like EOTW. The way i look at the series, when viewed as a whole is that the beginning and ends are bad (minus Knife of Dreams) but the middle is pretty good.

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