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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Elantris vs. Mistborn *Spoilers*
« on: May 30, 2009, 07:08:06 PM »
Dahkor Monks have about 50 times normal human strength, agility, endurance, etc.
There is no limit to how high a Feruchemist can tap their metalminds, so as long as they time their hit right, they could get a solid hit at 50, 100, or even 1000 times human attributes. It would probably expend their whole metalmind though, or almost all of it, reducing them to using only the storing powers.

Though I still think the best bet is for the Mistborn to Pewter spike the Feruchemist, then grant themselves the power to store speed in Steel. A Mistborn with the ability to move "with a speed as if to make the fury of a tornado’s winds seem sluggish," should be enough to get to and kill the Elantrian with minimal problem. From there, starting a short dash at the monk while steelpushing on a moderately heavy projectile would create an incredibly forceful attack, well more than enough to kill even a person with fifty times normal strength.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Kelsier and Ruin *Spoilers*
« on: May 29, 2009, 04:08:55 AM »
Quote from: Bastille on May 29, 2009, 01:58:34 AM
I don't think so, so I have to agreewith echigo. He was a good man and he did a good job with the life that he had. Remember, Ruin held control of Spook in #3 (spoiler) and Spool became a differnt person. I don't think Kelsier could maintain a happy-go-lucky attitude if an evil force was in control of him.

Actually, it's stated quite a few times that Kelsier completely changed after the Pits of Hathsin. I think losing Mare made Kelsier lose himself for a little while, and Ruin stepped in to influence him towards taking vengeance on the Lord Ruler, and started the legend of the Eleventh Metal.

Which is ironic, as it means that the Church of the Survivor is actually based on truth. Kelsier was a regular man, he endured trials and suffering beyond most men's capacity at the Pits of Hathsin, and then he had a spiritual experience and blessing from Ruin. The Church of the Survivor believes that Kelsier received inspiration from God to overthrow the Lord Ruler, and in a way he did.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker :: Release Party :: Extras
« on: May 26, 2009, 04:03:14 AM »
There aren't that many people on the forums. I'd say fifteen is a good estimate.

Do you guys plan on being there for the whole duration?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Elantris vs. Mistborn *Spoilers*
« on: April 21, 2009, 07:28:34 AM »
It's very true. However, there are some frames of reference to judge by.

For example, Dilaf gives us the information that every one of his monks has the strength of a hundred men. That is the equivalent of fifty-ish Koloss, plus enhanced speed and other miscellaneous abilities. That would make for a very dangerous melee fighter, and the only way I see a Mistborn killing one is with a lot of duralumin and pewter, or some atium. A Feruchemist could probably kill one monk with ease, though, as he tapped all his metalminds to 120 times normal abilities.  He would only have a few brief moments, but during that time he could crush a monk with ease.

So if the Feruchemist is going to take down the monk, that only leaves the Allomancer to take on the Elantrian. Without Atium or temporal external metals to work with, any hope for the Mistborn lies in either their greater mobility or ending the fight quickly. Mobility is a key factor, because the Elantrian would remain pinned close to Elantris, whereas the Mistborn could rove freely,  perhaps drawing their opponent to a location where Aons have weaker effects. If that was not an option, probably the best bet for the Allomancer would be to burn duralumin, steel, pewter, and zinc/brass all at once, moving towards the enemy at a rapid pace while hopefully disrupting any Aon creation for a few seconds with crushing emotional pressure. If a Mistborn got into close-quarters with an Elantrian, I would have no doubts they could win a one-on-one fight.



Now suppose either the Mistborn or the Feruchemist were to sacrifice themselves, allowing the other to Hemalurgically endow themselves? That would form a Lord Ruler-esque creation, allowing the surviving member to both Allomantically burn and Feruchemically fill one metal. But which metal to choose? A Feruchemist who can burn Steel? A Mistborn with Mental Speed augmentation? They would have to face both a Dakhor monk and an Elantrian alone, so it would have to count. Maybe a Gold-healing Mistborn?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ***SPOILERS Official Hero of Ages Spoilers Thread. Includes Q&A w/Brandon****
« on: April 09, 2009, 08:07:18 AM »
Quote from: Akkarin on April 09, 2009, 04:17:38 AM
[. . .]
"Why?" This is Brandon Sanderson writing, and I don't think any of us believe he really couldn't come up with a way to end the book without at least suggesting that the only two characters we TRULY care about can live. We don't read books to watch the bad guys fall - that'd get boring real quick. We read for characters, because we become involved with them, care about them and their struggles, want them to succeed even when they themselves don't think they can. "The world lived happily ever after" doesn't satisfy me if the things I care about in that world don't - once the people I care about die and stay dead, Ruin has won. In fact that's exactly how Vin finally felt after her strange display by Elend's corpse - she had nothing left to live for - not happiness, not joy, not Sazed, not Spook, not Kelsier, not Elend. She wasn't "sacrificing" her life so that everyone else could live and be happy, she was committing suicide the only way a god could.

Actually never mind. I did have 560 words written explaining my stance, but I've decided all those things aren't important. Maybe it's just a difference in what readers look for: maybe some look for plot and others for character. I won't deny that the ending tied it all up rather well plot-wise, it was very well done in that respect. But for someone who looks for and cares for the characters in a novel, having the only two people I really care about both commit suicide feels like a slap in the face from a friend. Feels like worse than that - like an absolute betrayal.

 :) sorry for the melodrama, but I think that's the real problem people have with the ending (those of us who don't like it). Vin and Elend being happy in a supposed afterlife is not a consolation at all. Them being happy in the afterlife happens if Ruin wins or if Ruin loses. If they can be happy together in the afterlife,  perhaps they should've committed suicide when they fell in love and had an eternity of peace. Or just let Ruin win. But they didn't, because mumbo-jumbo aside, life is what matters, and in the living realm those two are gone.
[. . .]

I find it rather interesting that this is how you describe your feelings about the ending. Particularly, "But for someone who looks for and cares for the characters in a novel, having the only two people I really care about both commit suicide feels like a slap in the face from a friend. Feels like worse than that - like an absolute betrayal." and "But they didn't, because mumbo-jumbo aside, life is what matters, and in the living realm those two are gone."

I begin to wonder if perhaps Brandon wrote his books with this specific reaction in mind. So much of the Mistborn trilogy is dedicated to trust, and the first one particularly tackles how to deal with betrayal. Could Brandon possibly be trying to tell you that the solutions Vin and Kelsier found in the first book do not hold true simply for them? That these issues are real, and he needed to give you an opportunity to bridge the gap between reality and his novels? I think Brandon was being very crafty here, and showing us -- not only through the words on his page, but also through the feelings in our heart -- how to deal with betrayal and trust, and how to appreciate the life around us. To stir us up in remembrance of that which is important in our lives.

Just a thought.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: **SPOILERS! The Shards of Adonalsium
« on: March 28, 2009, 06:59:29 AM »
Perhaps Sliver or Sliver of Infinity is a term used to describe one who has been bound to a Shard or used it's power.

That would make Hoid, Kelsier, Vin, and all the actual Shards Slivers as well.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: **SPOILERS! The Shards of Adonalsium
« on: March 24, 2009, 12:24:12 AM »
Okay, so here's a theory. On page 513 of Mistborn: The Hero of Ages, Vin mentions that metal is power, and that is why neither she nor Ruin can observe it. However, all of the Scadrial magic uses metal as it's focus.

So what I wonder is if every Shard's focus corresponds to a real-world source of power. Scadrial focuses on metals, or maybe technology, Elantrian magic focuses on writing and language, and Hallandren magic focuses on words and communication. If this is the case, I have no idea what Lightweaving (Hoid's Shards magic, I assume.) does. Any thoughts?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: **SPOILERS! The Shards of Adonalsium
« on: March 23, 2009, 01:35:32 AM »
Readers have met four shards other than Ruin and Preservation.

You've interacted with two directly.
One is a tough call.  You've never met the Shard itself, but you've seen its power.
The other one you have not met directly, but have seen its influence.

What about the Shard Hoid makes use of?

As for deciding which Shard is where, the Dor is one of the Shards we've interacted with directly.
Quote from: [u
Elantris[/u] pg.463 (Hardback)]The water held Raoden in a cool embrace. It was a think alive' he could hear it calling in his mind. Come, it said, I give you release. It was a comforting parent. It wanted to take away his pain and sorrows, just as his mother had once done.
     Come, it pled. You can finally give up.
     No, Raoden thought. Not yet.


And, to help classifying the Warbreaker Shard, here's the only passage I know of mentioning it.
Quote from: [u
Warbreaker[/u] pg. 719 (v6.1 .pdf)][. . .] But above it all, he remembered standing on the other side of a brilliant, colorful wave of light, looking down at the world from the other side. And seeing everything he loved dissolve into the destruction of war. A war greater than any the world had known, a war more deadly--even--than the Manywar.
     He remembered the other side. And he remembered a voice, calm and comforting, offering him an opportunity.
     To Return.
[. . . ]
     I have seen the Void, he thought. And I came back.

Other possible Shards I can think of at the moment are Jaddeth and Nightblood, but both of those have ties to other Shards, so I can't say for sure which one I think is independent.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Elantris vs. Mistborn *Spoilers*
« on: March 13, 2009, 07:52:41 PM »
I wrote a huge long post, but it got eaten, so here's the synopsis.

Allomancer / Feruchemist Strengths:

 - Ability, through Atium or Not-Cerrobend, to know what attacks are coming their way with ample reaction time.
 - Disruption of Aons via Steelpushing and Ironpulling, or perhaps even Duralumin Rioting or soothing in a pinch.
 - Learn an Aon after one drawing, via Copperminds.
 - Physical capabilities of an Elantrian are fairly easy to match.
 - Can freely move about large spaces, without worrying about weakening of strength.

Elantrian / Dakhor Strengths:

 - Unlimited Power source.
 - More versatile arsenal.
 - Close-range movement advantages with travel magic. Good for guerrilla style fighting.
 - Better healing capabilities.
 - Lasting "standalone" magics.

Crazy Random Metallic Arts Questions:

 - If an Allomancer/Feruchemist burns an enhancement metal, does the Feruchemical burst get amplified? Does Aluminum create a negative burst of Feruchemical energy? (I think this may have been answered somewhere, actually, but I couldn't find it.)
 - Does Aluminum/Chromium work on metals one cannot burn? Would that affect the Feruchemical properties of said metal?
 - Would Bronze reveal an Elantrian?
 - Does the Dakhor process fragment the host enough to be Hemalurgically controlled via Allomancy?
 - If an Iron(?) spike was Hemalurgically imbued from a Dakhor monk / Elantrian, would the spike endow human strength based on the person before they were changed, or after?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hum Drum Sad Pandaness
« on: February 23, 2009, 08:41:29 PM »
I think the theorizing for Warbreaker might start up when Brandon starts posting Annotations for it. At the moment, we know there are loose ends in the book, but we don't have any idea which direction they're going in.

And I wouldn't worry too much, miyabi. I'm sure most if not all the old posters and theorizing will come back with Way of Kings, and with the possible second Mistborn trilogy. It'd be good to have a few theories about Warbreaker though.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Info on the remaining metals
« on: February 03, 2009, 04:56:20 AM »
Most of the information came from Brandon's blog, specifically the post at . . .

http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/737/Poster-Near-Final-Version

However, it was later discovered that Cerrobend is a trademarked name, and I don't think Brandon has decided on a new name for the other metal yet. (I believe the name with the highest backing at the moment is bendalloy.)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Religion in Mistborn and Elantris --AML do-over (SPOILERS)
« on: January 23, 2009, 07:50:40 AM »
Mormons can appreciate irony too. I had nearly the same reaction as you, jjb, when I read the initial post, and I'm a member of the LDS church. Openness of mind is hardly a disqualification of Mormonism.

As for the rest of it, I have to agree. Writers write about what they know, particularly near the beginning of their career. It improves the quality of any service if the service is the answer to the provider's own problem. I don't think Brandon was necessarily trying to put these influences in his works, but they are a part of his life, so they are included in the things he produces.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ***SPOILERS Official Hero of Ages Spoilers Thread. Includes Q&A w/Brandon****
« on: January 23, 2009, 07:31:12 AM »
Quote from: little_wilson on January 22, 2009, 09:18:31 AM
Does that reforming of Atium still apply to now, after the reformation of the planet? I can't remember if EUOL said anything definitively about that. I know some people theorized that it was permanently gone, since Elend's army burned it all, and Sazed probably wouldn't let it reform, but if it reforms by default over time, I would think there's a chance for more in the future.

Not that it really matters, though, since there won't be any Mistborn in the later trilogies, and since I seriously doubt there will be Seers, that means Atium will be pretty useless if it's still around....

I think the physical power of Ruin only condensed because his cognitive self was trapped. Now that Sazed controls the cognitive parts of both powers, Atium and Lerasium (And Sazedium?) need only condense if he wills it. At least that's how I understand it.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ***SPOILERS Official Hero of Ages Spoilers Thread. Includes Q&A w/Brandon****
« on: January 11, 2009, 06:17:19 PM »
I believe bendalloy is the name Brandon is currently considering most seriously.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ***SPOILERS Official Hero of Ages Spoilers Thread. Includes Q&A w/Brandon****
« on: January 09, 2009, 09:03:35 PM »
But there will probably be Hemalurgists . . . .

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