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Brandon Sanderson / Shards (Elantris and WoK spoilers)
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:44:45 PM »
Quote from: Munin on September 06, 2010, 06:42:57 PM
Quote from: Chaos2651 on September 06, 2010, 05:57:16 PM
Quote from: Elantris, page 479 hardback
Dilaf laughed, tapping Raoden on the side of the face with the tip of his sword. "The Skaze are right, then. Elantrians are not indestructible."

Direct evidence Skai is related to the Fjordell powers, as Skai->Skaze is too close to be ignored.
Not necessarily related. It could also be that the Skaze are another religion or organization on Sel.

You could be right, though.

What if I told you that Skaze are like evil Seons? :P Would that help my case?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: The Heralds *Minor Spoilers*
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:43:09 PM »
Reading it again, it seems like Taln just collapsed. That doesn't mean he died.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:42:16 PM »
Quote from: zarepath on September 06, 2010, 06:29:54 PM
I do seem to recall someone asking if other characters from other worlds will show up again in tWoK, and I think the answer may have been "no," except Hoid.  Not sure about that.  Anybody know what I'm thinking of?

Hehe... if you can find the quote, that would certainly hurt this theory.

Quote from: happyman on September 06, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
Quote from: zarepath on September 06, 2010, 06:29:54 PM
I'm pretty certain that Elantrians are looking for Hoid.  Whether one of them is Galladon or not (and I'm betting that he is), there had to have been a reason for Brandon to put this into an interlude.  The whole section offers very little except to show that people are looking for Hoid (which is made obvious by an epigraph elsewhere)... unless this section is added just so that we can do what we're doing now: speculating. 

The narration draws attention to the line that the fisherman overhears, the one with the Dula language in it.  I think Brandon wants us to wonder if they're from Elantris or not, and he probably has it all in there specifically for his hardcore fans.

Considering that there are already mentions of shards visiting Sel and creating disaster, another Elantris mix doesn't seem too ridiculous.  Especially considering that Brandon's made it very clear that all his epic fantasy fiction goes into one single universe. 

I do seem to recall someone asking if other characters from other worlds will show up again in tWoK, and I think the answer may have been "no," except Hoid.  Not sure about that.  Anybody know what I'm thinking of?

Since some people don't believe the epigraphs were written by Hoid, this interlude could be considered solid evidence for Hoid's authorship of the epigraphs.  In that sense, it does serve a narrative purpose.

Also, it adds scope to the series.  That's nontrivial as well.

Yeah, the interludes are primarily there to add scope.

But hey, happyman, if you can falsify the idea that Hoid wrote that letter and if you propose another candidate, I'd love you forever :P

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:24:02 PM »
Quote from: Terrisman243 on September 06, 2010, 06:13:36 PM
I agree with Grumpy being Galladon, and I think that Shundel might be Blunt. Oh, and I think Raoden and Galladon were in the prologue talking to Elohkar. I just need to find page references.

Maybe whatever Odium did is what made Raoden not-glowy. Maybe he destroyed Elantris. That would probably explain it.

Ehhh, I think that has more to do with them being far from Elantris than anything else. It seems most likely that Odium already went to Sel before the events of Elantris.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: The Heralds *Minor Spoilers*
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:05:54 PM »
I... I never read it as Talanel dying... Maybe I wasn't paying attention, however.

Quote from: jjb on September 06, 2010, 07:24:58 AM
I don't know if I completely missed something in the discussions or if no one cares about them, but I just reread the Prelude and now I'm interested in what has happened to the Heralds.

I know that nine of the ten abandoned the Oathpact, but what does that mean? They were immortal, so does that mean that they still live on Roshar, but just decided to stay out of the problems of the world? Or did they become mortal when they gave up their swords and they're 4500 years dead.

The one Herald who didn't betray the Oathpact, Talenel, died once again at the end of WoK, so now Roshar is completely on its own. His sword did not vanish at the end, so I assume that means he's out of the cycle of life, death, hell, life.

Does whoever picks up his sword take his place as a Herald or did they just win a Shardblade 2.0 with no responsibilities?

Since its an "Oathpact", and it says that they chose their burdens willingly, they probably decided to create this Oathpact as a way to bind Odium/Voidbringers. Sounds reasonable to me.

Quote from: Comatose on September 06, 2010, 09:33:26 AM
And how do the heralds fit in with shards and such?  Are they a higher or lower being?  Might hoid be one of the heralds?

I'd imagine that the Heralds were given powers from the Almighty. Thus, the Heralds and the Knights Radiant below them have powers coming from that Shard.

I do not think Hoid could possibly be a Herald.

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Brandon Sanderson / Shards (Elantris and WoK spoilers)
« on: September 06, 2010, 05:57:16 PM »
Quote from: happyman on September 06, 2010, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: Fireborn on September 04, 2010, 05:37:04 AM
I'm going to reiterate what Chaos said regarding the number of Shards on Sel (planet that Elantris is set on).  Read tWoK, it changes a lot of what was previously thought.  The current theory is two Shards, with three at one point.  No specifics, just numbers.  It's not really a spoiler for either book, seeing as it's less than halfway through tWoK and not mentioned in Elantris at all.  I'm going to shut up now... :-X

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I'd like to see a clarification on this.  I mean, it's pretty clear from tWoK that there would have to have been two shards on Sel at some point---Odium, and at least one other (the Dor *really* doesn't sound like Odium's magic, and anyway, Odium's visit was brief, although what "brief" means for a shard is  a good question.).  But why would there be a third?

The fact that the epigraph author mentions two entities that Odium killed: Aona and Skai. Also, there's the word "skaze", appearing once in Elantris, which I imagine is related to Skai.

Thus, we have two Shards on Sel (Aona and Skai), and Odium was there for a brief time.

Quote from: happyman on September 06, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: Munin on September 06, 2010, 05:27:49 PM
I think the theory is that you have the Dor, Jaddeth, and Odium.

I'm unsure about Jaddeth, though. We really don't see any indication of whether or not the religion is true.

Or better yet, that Jaddeth is really Odium, or at the very least that Odium inspired the Derethi religion.  Given the emphasis on war, that could work.

I would note that Wyrn almost certainly has a direct line to a shard, somehow, and not a nice one, either.  He's able to tell the future to some extent.  Given what we've seen of the cosmere, that just screams "A shard is involved somehow."

I believe that Wyrn, Dahkor, and Jaddeth are related to Skai. Here's evidence:

Quote from: Elantris, page 479 hardback
Dilaf laughed, tapping Raoden on the side of the face with the tip of his sword. "The Skaze are right, then. Elantrians are not indestructible."

Direct evidence Skai is related to the Fjordell powers, as Skai->Skaze is too close to be ignored.

Therefore, I believe that the burden of proof is on others if you want to say Odium is related to Jaddeth :)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:06:39 AM »
Well, naturally.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 05, 2010, 11:18:05 PM »
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I've heard people saying something about the 17th shard being a group of people that investigates the activites of the 16 shards. I think that's info direct from Brandon, but I don't have a source.

That's my understanding of it. They are planet-hoppers like Hoid, or something. However, I couldn't venture a guess why they are apparently immortal.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 05, 2010, 05:24:34 AM »
There is a word related to Skai. It's "Skaze". It appears in Elantris exactly once.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: *WoK Spoilers* The Almighty?
« on: September 04, 2010, 08:47:26 PM »
Quote from: Fireborn on September 04, 2010, 10:30:35 AM
Hoid wasn't planethopping before then, either.

Citation needed? I probably agree with your assessment, but still, we don't know or have any evidence to support such a statement.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 04, 2010, 06:40:47 AM »
Opelon is the continent. Sel is the world.

And no, not necessarily. The Steel Ministry, for example, did not call the planet Scadrial.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: September 04, 2010, 03:19:23 AM »
I'd rather you copy and paste it into an attachment, so I have a local copy of it.

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Suggestions Box / Re: What is the best book Brandon Sanderson has ever written?
« on: September 04, 2010, 03:18:20 AM »
Mistborn is my favorite novel of his, inclusive of Way of Kings. However, I have no doubt Stormlight Archive will become his best series.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Finished Elantris - Questions **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:59:13 PM »
Quote from: sortitus on September 03, 2010, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: Munin on September 03, 2010, 02:18:37 PM
... I got the sense that AonDor is just one specific manifestation of the Dor as a whole.
This is correct. All magic in Elantris is powered by a single shard. The Dakhor monks use the same magic, just they modify their bodies with their local runes instead of drawing them wherever they go. This is why they don't lose power away from their homeland (their bodies wouldn't revert just because they left the land they use the runes of).

Well, maybe. (Id say more but you should read Way of Kings)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: *WoK Spoilers* The Almighty?
« on: September 03, 2010, 06:37:12 AM »
Well, they study Realmatic theory and can apparently planet hop like Hoid.

* Chaos2651 only knows this because his fansite is called 17th Shard...

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