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Well, even if it doesn't know about Vin, he can still use Zane to kill people. I mean, its name is Ruin. It tends to want to destroy things.

I want to agree that the only reason that the Inquisitors have allomatic powers is because of the metal Vin gives Elend, and that Hemalurgy does something different, however, the place where that metal was found seemd like a very private and personal place for the lord ruler, and I don't think he would share it.  Besides, the new Inquisitors are made at the conventical of Seran, aren't they?

Aha... that certainly would explain their Mistborn powers. Obviously the Lord Ruler made the Inquisitors "dominant", so in many ways, we need to be thinking how that works out. The 15th metal, the metal Elend got, seems a logical method.

Why didn't I think of that?

I doubt it. When we are having things like super manipulative, god-like forces at work, I find it hard to believe that strange voices aren't caused by either Preservation or Ruin. There's another instance of this, where Elend kills this koloss as he's leaving Jastes for the first time, where a voice tells him how to defeat the beast. This wouldn't be strange, but it says that "the voice didn't come from Tindwyl, or anything he'd ever heard before." Something like that. It just seems odd that it would come from nowhere.

Though I see where you are going. I went through all of WoA thinking Zane was just some insane madman. Now I realize Ruin was manipulating him all along.

Now, here's the time for radical theories. I'm under the impression that if Ruin has some sort of external mechanism to exist in, like the mist, then Preservation should have something similar.

I think, then, (with very little to no evidence to support this) that the Ashmounts and ash itself is Preservation. Somehow.

Discuss!

I doubt it's an atium spike. It mentions earlier that Zane had his own stockpile of atium, so Straff trying to control him by giving him atium was quite fruitless. So it makes it seem like he has a lot of atium to spare.

Now, steel, on the other hand, is a lot more likely. Perhaps the nature of Hemalurgy is it "enhances" Allomancy in a way. Steel spikes give more control over steel. Bronze earring gives the ability to pierce copperclouds. 

We could be wrong here, but maybe not. A bronze earring just seems too coincidental for it to not be deliberate. I mean, Brandon went through all this trouble to get a cool alloy for aluminum, so I don't think he'd tell us that the earring was specifically bronze, only to later say it was all unintentional.

I think a question to ask is, though, how does Hemalurgy have anything to do with Ruin talking in your mind?

No VegasDev. If Vin's mom was controlled by anything, it's Ruin. You know why? Ruin wants to keep Vin alive. Ruin chose Vin to be the false Hero of Ages so she could release Ruin.

And I'll give you citations!

p. 417 - This page (Well of Ascension, of course) is where she tells Elend where she got her earring. She describes that her mother heard voices. Her mother killed her sister, but then gave Vin the earring. Vin says, "As if... as if choosing me over my sister. A punishment for one, a twisted present for another." If we link Ruin to this, then it's obvious that Ruin, at a very early time, decided Vin was the one he wanted.

And so, like any ultra-manipulative uber-spirit locked away for a millennium, he began to spend his time manipulate things to bring Vin to the Well of Ascension.

p. 453 - Zane's death scene. Zane thought that Vin would save him because she was the only one the voice (God) didn't want to kill. The minute Zane thought this, God whispered "Of course I don't want you to kill her." Then, in a twist of fate, God says that Zane was never insane.

This tells us some very interesting things. Obviously, the "God" is Ruin, this has already been mentioned several times in the forum, so that shouldn't be a surprise. But the interesting thing is that Ruin wants to destroy everything. Zane is told to kill everything, all the time. No exceptions. Except for Vin. Why Vin? Because Ruin wants Vin to release him at the Well of Ascension.

Back to Hemalurgy, I think we can say Hemalurgy is the "art of wielding the metals inside your body". Loose definition, yes, but it's something to go on.

That's true. Due to the miracle of perspective, you always see things in the context of the character. Vin, perhaps, has certain assumptions, which would lead her to exclude the existence of atium mistings.

Oh. Silly me, trying to personify it. I guess it makes sense that the thing at the Well of Ascension would be something like that.

This talk of Hemalurgy is fascinating. We gotta get this theory down so we can unlock yet another part of MB3. The Hemaglobin thing is brilliant, and I think in MB1 when you get Kar's perspective for a short time in Chapter 38 before Vin enters, they see by seeing the tiny little portions of metal in people, so this Hemaglobin thing has definite merit.

But, getting back to the topic at hand. If the earring provides Hemalurgic powers, then we are missing something very important. Vin was able to channel the mists AFTER she lost the earring. Perhaps, as the Steel Inquisitors push the mists away, the mists have wanted to come inside Vin the entire time, but was just repelled because of her Hemalurgic earring.