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Suggestions Box / Re: TWG/Forum Improvements
« on: March 07, 2008, 09:42:36 PM »
Is there a place where you can see all of the ranks, for each class?  I know it doesn't mean much, but it's cool to know what you are shooting for.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Atium Mistings?
« on: March 07, 2008, 09:21:46 PM »
Another point:  would anyone think to give someone Atium just to see if they could burn it?  I can see testing people out with brass or zinc or even copper, but the most precious of all metals?  Even if there were Atium Mistings, I doubt the Mistborns would share it.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: March 07, 2008, 07:16:18 PM »
It definitely has benefits, but we are learning how high the price is, aren't we?  I wonder what Zane's spike was made of?  I think it was made of either Steel or Atium.  My only evidence to support these choices are:
1.  His amazing control he possessed when pushing of metal.  He could hover, and slowly raise and lower himself while changing position in mid air, something Vin is amazed by.  It could be from lots of practice, but maybe not.

2.  He seems able to burn Atium for much longer than Vin ever does, and he has no concerns about getting more.  He has his own stash, but does he need it?  He burns Atium the entire time at the Keep where Cett was hiding out.  He burns Atium during the entire fight against Vin, and never to we see him ingest metals.  He could just have a ton, or again, could have an enhanced ability.

Of course, this all hinges on whether or not my theory about Hemalurgy is correct.  It scares me that I almost want to learn more about this than how Ruin will be defeated!

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Ruin and Preservation
« on: March 07, 2008, 06:55:51 PM »
If it was revealed by an omnipotent narrator, then I would agree, but Tensoon's bias must be take into the acount.  It is not a stretch to believe they have twisted the truth somewhat over the years.  Look at society in real life.  People have convinced themselves that killing innocent people is OK as long as it is in the act of killing "infidels".  In the 1600's, the Catholic church murdered thousands of people for "witchcraft".  Their crime?  In many cases, being midwives and herbalists, which people trusted more than affluent doctors.  There is a way to rationalize any action or belief.  Hope requires something to believe in and, for the Kandra, what is more hopeful than the death of their oppressors?  And to rationalize that?  Well their destructive and evil, so maybe they all deserve to die!   Look how surprised Tensoon is by Vin; she is different than any other human he has ever known, so much so that he risked his life (and his contract) to save her.   If he is willing to do this, than he must at least be questioning his beliefs.  If one human is good, than others can be too.   

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Theory on why Vin is so powerful *spoilers*
« on: March 07, 2008, 06:17:11 PM »
That is an awesome find!  That's why Alendi can "feel" the well's pulsing!  More evidence of Hemalurgy's role in this book.  We need to add this to the Hemalurgy thread.  :D

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: March 07, 2008, 06:14:34 PM »
Not to stray off topic, but it seems apparent that Preservation doesn't speak to anyone, which is why the mist spirit just points and stabs people.  OK, back on topic:  Marsh basically admits that he is being told to do these things.  There is no question in my mind that Ruin manipulates people through metals.  He can change what is stored in a metal mind, and it is apparent to me that it can exert some kind of control over Hemallurgic metals. 
       Chaos, since you are already rereading MB2, see if you can find something related to metals inside the Koloss.  I could have sworn I remember some reference about each of them have a small metal nail or something like that, but I could be wrong.

VeagsDev, I think that having Hemalurgic metal piercing your body is a prerequisite to hearing the voice of Ruin.  You should ask how the Inquisitors were so sure of Vin's existence?  I think they were subtly made aware of her.  The Lord Ruler was staunchly opposed to changing the Ministry's power structure.  The act of changing his mind caused his death, which is exactly what needed to happen in order for a new "Hero" to release the Well's power.   The Inq's also seemed to always be right behind her, almost as if she left a trail, or was being monitored through her earring.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Posts + CROWN OF SWORDS
« on: March 07, 2008, 02:46:46 PM »
I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more, and you obviously have no idea what good writing looks like.  RJ took a genre that generally only focuses on the heroes and expanded to show the viewpoints, struggles, and triumphs of an entire world, where good and bad are not always so cut and dry.  With Lord of the Rings (which I love, by the way), there is no real question on who is good and who is bad.  The closest you get is Saruman, which you find out is evil almost as soon as you learn of his character.  I felt that the Wheel of Time has only gotten better with each book.  Unfortunately, in today's society, most people don't have the patience and/or attention span to wait more than 5 minutes for a payoff.  Everything written in that book, no matter how mundane it may seem, has weight in the story.  I will refrain from flaming you too much, because your still a kid, but you really need to look a little bit more closely at the detail of this book, and also consider why there are millions of people around the world who completely disagree with you, some of whom I am sure will post here when they read this.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: March 06, 2008, 11:28:38 PM »
I am glad you started this thread.  Let's get rolling.  I was reading MB2 Chapter 27's annotation and EUOL mentions that Zane cutting himself quiets the voice in his head, and this has something to do with the properties of Hemalurgy.  Of course, he then basically RAFO's us, but the connection to blood and Hemalurgy is again shown.

Another Hemalurgy possibility is, of course, Vin's earring.  Her mother kills her sister then jabs the earring into Vin's ear.  She also pushes away the mists at the end of MB2, and can't draw on the mists again like she did at the end of MB1, when her earring was pushed out by TLR.  Pretty good evidence, I'd say.

In addition to Chaos' points on Steel Inquisitors, I would also add that they seem to possess additional powers beyond that of a Mistborn, like incredible healing powers, and the ability to "see" the blue lines from even the smallest amounts of metal, so much so that they can see things in great detail purely through Allomancy.

Finally, should we spend any time discussing how the SI's feel pain from the spikes based on their emotions?  Marsh and the lead Inky (Kar?), mention the pain briefly at different times.    That's all I have for now.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Ruin and Preservation
« on: March 06, 2008, 11:12:02 PM »
Good work on this Chaos!  Two points: First, I believe that Tensoon (who you are referring to as Oreseur) tells Vin that the Lord Ruler created both the Kandra and the Koloss.  This information is how Vin figures out how to control the Koloss the same way she controls Tensoon in the fight against Zane.  Secondly, just because Tensoon says that humans are of Ruin, doesn't make it true.  You are taking the point of view of a creature who's race has been oppressed and controlled by humans their entire existence.  Tensoon is not exactly objective on this subject.  I am not saying you are wrong, I am just considering another possibility.  I didn't think about Kelsier learning about the 11th metal from Oresuer, but that sounds like a strong theory.

Ooh, I just reread Ookla's post, and I am pretty sure he is saying that the Well Spirit's name is Ruin.  That would mean that the Mist Spirit is Preservation.  I am not shocked by this news, but it does put some questions to rest.

You're right, I should post a new topic about Vin for that discussion.  As for this topic, I suppose it is possible that if you made enough attacks in a fast enough succession, you might be able to overwhelm your opponent, Atium or not.  It's pretty thin, though.  I would imagine an Atium flare would just allow you to see things a little sooner, but it probably doesn't last long enough to be worth it.

How much bigger can the scheme get?  The thing created and continuously adapted an entire prophecy and religious belief in order to trick someone into freeing it, and has apparently been doing so for thousands of years.  Zane's role was probably to test Vin's character.  Remember, the Well Spirit wants someone who would choose to do "the right thing" and give away the power to save the world.  If Vin could be corrupted by Zane and choose power, she wasn't the right one for the job. 

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Ruin and Preservation
« on: March 05, 2008, 06:56:33 PM »
That was my thought as well.  Preservation is the good force, and Ruin is the evil force.  That poses a new question: was the power that Vin released the entity itself, or was the power holding the entity from touching the world freely, like a seal? (now I'm starting to steal from WoT).  Of course, we may just be reading too much into this.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Ruin and Preservation
« on: March 05, 2008, 04:49:44 PM »
However long it is, I'm sure it will be great.  I don't think I found a single page of the first two books that dragged.    Getting back to topic,  I don't think that the power Rashek took made him evil.  Some of Alendi's writings spoke of how Rashek despised the Khlennium (sp?). There are also references that he felt the Terris should be the dominant race.  The power of the well simply gave him an opportunity to enact his own philosophies, with the slight adjustment of dominating anyone who disagreed with him or were a threat.  If that meant subjugating his own people, then so be it.  It was for the good of the world, after all.  As to whether he was touching upon Ruin or Preservation, I have no idea.  It almost seems like he was preserving his world by keeping it in ruin.  I don't know if that makes any sense though.

That was part of why he was tyring to breeding them out, but wouldn't it be even more important to erase all knowledge of the prophecy?  Being a Terrisman, he knew that as long as even one Keeper lived, his secret could be discovered.  Or, in an even more twisted way, the Lord Ruler knew that the Well Spirit could manipulate the keepers into overthrowing him and finding a new hero who would release said Spirit.  Wait a minute, isn't that EXACTLY what happened? :o

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Theory on why Vin is so powerful *spoilers*
« on: March 05, 2008, 03:51:36 PM »
Interesting idea, Shost.  At the very least, her ability to "feel" the Well pulsing, even when she is not burning bronze, supports this theory.  I would also not be the least bit surprised if she was "helped" with some of her great discoveries,  such as the way she beats Atium. 

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