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i would definitely say Final Empire was better, but the ending of MB2 is by no means dissapointing. You did not really flesh out your opinions on Elend but i did find myself disliking him, when i really did like him a lot in FE.
And yes you should definitely finish the book, the ending is epic and sets the stage for Hero of Ages!!

plus, would it even be possible for you to read half a book, post and ask opinions on it, and then not read the rest? IMPOSSIBLE!!!

Well, I don't know if I had never finished the book if others told me not to get my expectations too high. I would however dropped it for another one in my pile and perhaps made another attempt on WoA when I had more time again. That said, the book really made up for most of the dry streaks after part 4 or so and I find it hard now to wait for Hero of Ages.

About Elend (full rant, as requested. Don't say I didn't try to be nice and subtle ...)

I think it was Brandon's intention to put Elend in Kell's footprints to show how inept he is for the job that is expected of him in the beginning (which Elend moans about quite a bit) and then let him grow over the course of the book to fill these footprints a bit better. While he was a wide eyed, naive and sympathetic character in TFE and this character development might work out quite well for him in the third book, it was a chore to get through Elend's more angsty phases in WoA. To illustrate the point, Elend means misery/distress/unhappiness in German, an unhealthy connotation which fits quite too well sometimes.

Furthermore and one thing which annoyed me greatly about this, many chapters of the book contain at least one slightly negative to outright demeaning comment about Kelsier. While it is important to make clear that Kelsier had his shares of flaws, the massive quantity of these comments came around to me more like Brandon is saying "Hey, forget about Kelsier! Look at Elend, he is the real deal and way better then this douchebag!" which had the opposite effect on me.

Also Vin seems to suffer from quite a dose of Cassandra when around Elend. While most of the characters ramble on about trust all the time, especially Elend outright dismisses several of Vin's warnings and worries with a patronizing pat on the head. Despite the fact that a) He should know better after all this time (Sazed does - mostly)  b) He has no experience or deeper knowledge about how Allomancy and the mist works yet doubts the words of a damn Mistborn and c) Toward the end of the book he definitly knows better and still does this several times.

This added to the large amount of viewpoints centered around Elend compared to the other major characters, the downright hypocritical "I'm ashamed of you" scene with Spook, the "Get a level of Mistborn" metal at the end and my worries about turning the character dynamic between Vin and Elend into one of these "Get back in the kitchen heroine, now it's time for the man to rise way above you in power level and handle things" plots I've seen way too much in fantasy ... let's just say that Brandon has to pull of something only marginally short of a miracle (or a "he is definitely and forever dead, Jim" scene) to make this character redeem himself in my eyes.

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Thanks for your answers, It's nice to see I wasn't alone with my impression and still could be persuaded to finish the book. I could go on nitpicking but most could be attributed to the simple fact that I can't stand Elend for various reasons and the deep worry  Brandon might be  going for a "build up a heroine and then degrade her to a sidekick for the Scrappy" stunt. Still, at the end, it was time spend well.

By the way, which parts were difficult for you to accept?  I thought Elantris has a lot more holes in it than Mistborn does.

It has been some weeks since I finished The Final Empire so I don't remember the details. It was just an overall feeling. Maybe it is because Elantris has a more unconventional setting and premise which let me dismiss plotholes more easily then Mistborn, which is a bit more "mundane" so to speak. But it really isn't much more then a subjective impression thing so I can't say for certain.

If I might ask, how exactly do you drop a book of no more than maybe 400 hundred pages (I say maybe due to not having the book with me to reference) after you read the first book? You clearly liked it enouph to find this forum and post your opinion about how the 1/3 of the book you actualy read wasn't good enouph for you. I'm aware you knew what you would find when you posted on this fan forum. The real question is why post? Does the opinion of people you don't know really have that much effect on you or do you need a reason to justify picking the book up again (you clearly want to)? I know I'm coming off as rude so I'll stop here.

No, these are valid questions. Let me try to explain what I intended to do here by using a metaphor:

You go into a restaurant. It all looks nice and it smells good and you had good experiences in the past in that restaurant. You eat the first course of the meal and find out it contains an ingredient you can't stand. Unfortunately, the chef is currently unavailable so you look around and see other guests in the restaurant who obviously enjoyed their meal and are now chatting idly. You tell them nicely that you can't stand ingredient xy and ask them If it would be worthwhile for you to stay for the other courses (thus asking if they would contain ingredient xy) cause you don't want to gulp down other courses in the faint hope, the following would be more like the ones you remembered from the other times you've eaten here.

I might just do the latter under normal circumstances, however I still have plenty of other unread books here and my vacation is coming to an end, so I have to be a little bit more picky.

What I was afraid of were fanboys telling me how stupid I was for not liking Teh best b00k evar!!1! What I wanted was a more earnest opinion and surprisingly, that's the only thing I got. Which gives me hope for the internet - Thank you for that  :)

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I'm aware that asking this kind of thing is nearly pointless in a fan forum, however I loved Elantris and liked Mistborn except some passages where my willing suspension of disbelief was pretty stretched thin. Well of Ascension however I dropped after Part 2 with extreme disappointment.

While I could attribute some characters behaving somehow dense in the course of The Final Empire to the fact that I as the reader know more then them, It seriously gets frustrating in WoA. The whole kandra-spy-subplot doesn't make sense whatsoever: The thought to speed up the evaluation of the core crew from more then one per week/month doesn't occur to Vin when the stated facts by OreSeur makes the process actually quite easy, no one seems to consider it just plain ludicrous discussing a secret plan against an enemy in front of a potential spy of said enemy, Elend considers it a brilliant idea to pretty much tell his ruthless father "you better kill my antium-lacking darling you underestimated till now before marching towards Luthadel" and sorry, his whole pseudo-democratic monarchy dream is just Meh. Not to mention the - yes, subjective - feeling that nothing actually happened in the first 300 pages except new story threads appearing out of the blue.

But still, I really would prefer to continue a story which started so great with The Final Empire to throwing the book and it's successor in the crackling fireplace. It's just that right now I have lost all hope that continuing would be any more then a waste of time.

So please, it would be nice if someone could convince me that it all gets magically better after Part Two.

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