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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 20, 2009, 08:02:28 AM »
I could argue with you all day about this..but that would be a waste of time.

Undisputed Fact: J.R.R. Tolkien paved the way for English (and through it American) Fantasy to become main stream... and even if you don't like his work for this (which i believe proves he IS the bar) you should be thankful.

Paving the way for modern fantasy has nothing to do with whether or not his work is actually objectively enjoyable.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 12, 2009, 06:29:35 AM »
Couldn't your extremely high praise of Brandon also be considered "Fanboyism"?  Also, don't you think one chapter of a book, especially one that requires reading of prior books in order to understand it, is too little a sampling to make a sound judgement?  As hard as it is for me to believe that a Fantasy enthusiast would be unable to at least read through and respect Tolkien, never mind Jordan, I respect your opinion.

I don't know if I'm a fangirl. It's hard to say where one is just a huge fan and where one's love is more irrational. I also am not entirely sure if I'd agree that one needs more than a single chapter to judge a book by. Maybe for a more detailed judgment, but I think one can tell from the outset if they'd at least -possibly- enjoy a book.

As for Tolkien, I don't like him for the same reason I don't like Jordan--dry, overly wordy, etc. I don't see being overly verbose as any sign of intelligence or a hallmark of great literature. I'm also just not a fan of Tolkien-esque elements in fantasy--regardless of the author, I have little interest in orcs, willowy, woodsy elves, hobbits/halflings (*shudder*), the list goes on.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 11, 2009, 12:22:12 AM »
Your sense of manners is that of a child who got away with saying almost anything that came to mind... what is offensive is the fact of how you say it not the meaning behind it.

P.S. I am not saying my manners are good but then again i don't defend them...ever

...Excuse me? I'm sorry, but I really didn't say anything out of line at all. Then again, I'm not the one calling people ignorant and getting personally offended over a book that I'm a fan of. ._.

I'm not sure how many different ways I should be offended here. I am a fan of both WOT and Console video game systems. Your comments seem to be disparaging and attack anyone who doesn't agree with you as somehow being less than you.

-How-? I love video games, but if you can seriously defend the irrationality of the most hardcore fanboys in -any- system's camp, well, I don't know what to say. As for how I've once attacked someone, I'm at a loss. It's becoming quite clear that very few people here can handle differing opinions. All I've done was point out why I didn't like WoT and I may as well have burned down an orphanage.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 10, 2009, 09:24:42 PM »
Also, there are apparently some misunderstandings that Kestrel needs to have cleared up, really to many to go into in any great detail. Basically, I would recommend the person to learn to read more widely.

Haha, oh wow. Wow. I'm sorry for laughing, because I haven't posted here often enough for anyone to know much about me, but to even suggest I need to read more widely. Dear, I read everything from Dickens to Murakami, from Nabokov to Saramago to Yoshikawa, to any more "pulpy" fantasy you'd pick up on a Barnes & Noble shelf. My reading experience has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I think Jordan is overly wordy. It's the same reason I can't stand Tolkien. It's too bloody dry.

Just because Kestrel said that the chapter was boring doesn't mean that you need to say that Kestrel is, essentially, ignorant...Kestrel pointed out the things he (or she, not quite sure) that he didn't care for...

Thank you. :) I didn't think I was coming off as overly inflammatory, though I am aware that Wheel of Time fans seem to be incredibly devoted--after this many books, I'm not surprised. Hell, I dated a hardcore fan for three years, I'm aware of people's love for the series. And it's she, just to clear that up.

I do feel that when someone "goes out" as hard as Kestrel did in this case, they should expect some opposition.

Don't worry, I did. xD I wasn't trying to troll or anything, but I certainly expected disagreement.

Sanderson's published work is clearly inferior to Jordan's by any yardstick.

Agreeing with Bookstore Guy in saying "not by mine." I've read nearly everything Sanderson's released by now barring the Alcatraz books, and I'd choose him as the more enjoyable and more capable author than Jordan any day--no offense to Jordan, of course. Like I said, Brandon seems much more capable when it comes to his systems of magic (though I do enjoy what exists in WoT), infusing characters with life, and the amount of detail put into his work in general. By detail I don't mean how I complained about Jordan's descriptions, I mean how things all connect--such as the ending result of Sazed's religious studies in Mistborn.

Kestrel's was needless raving that i found offensive

I explained exactly what I found to my displeasure about the chapter, my post was hardly "needless raving." I understand some Wheel of Time fans are to literature what console fanboys are to video games, but I've been as polite as possible in the matter--I would appreciate if you did the same, regardless of differing opinions. I'm not attacking you for your love of a book I find dull, am I? I fail to see how you could find that 'Offensive' unless you'd been the author yourself.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: COVER ART
« on: September 10, 2009, 09:10:32 PM »
Agreeing on the Elantris positivity. I don't like it as much as I like the Mistborn hardcovers, but compared to "generic fantasy" art that permeates so many books, Elantris still certainly stands out. I still like it a lot!

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 08, 2009, 05:06:25 AM »
Wait, what comes out this month? o_o

And yes, that is certainly a great thing. Few authors seem to be as prolific as he's been managing!

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 08, 2009, 04:37:45 AM »
I count 23 paragraphs in a row where 20 of them have dialogue or are almost entirely dialogue.

Alright, I'll give you that at the very end. I blocked it out already, though I will also admit that while I said I read it three times, I read it once fully then couldn't even finish it the next two times. It's that dull. Even what dialogue is there is dry and doesn't have any of the feeling and characterization that Brandon's own books have.

I know I sound like a fangirl, but there are other authors I enjoy just fine. Brandon's characters are just so memorable, and this only reads like some generic fantasy you'd pick up at a dollar store. For once, I think, as I've always thought about Wheel of Time, it is right to judge a book by a cover. Generic fantasy art begets generic fantasy story inside. I'm well aware I'm in the vast minority on this one, but I'm used to it. I didn't particularly like ASoIaF either, but I digress.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 08, 2009, 03:59:13 AM »
The description of the wind is something that only happens in first chapters of Wheel of Time books. The rest of the chapters will be more character-focused.

Even when we finally do see the characters, they're barely there for a paragraph before it launches off into more melodramatic scenery.
Surely you're exaggerating.

Erm, no...? There was perhaps the equivalent of a single paragraph of dialogue, then more shoveling in of unnecessary details, then another small bit of dialogue, then still more shoveling. If you want to count characters' inner voice, then the amount of non-descriptive text in the chapter increases by only a miniscule amount. Like I said, I love description and detail in books--I myself have quite a bit of it in the novel I'm editing--but at some point it starts getting ridiculous.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: COVER ART
« on: September 08, 2009, 03:55:39 AM »
Hon, no offense, but are you like twelve? You're really worried about buying a book because of its cover? On top of that, I don't even know what you're complaining about. Warbreaker's cover is stylish and gorgeous, and the hardcover Mistborn novels are absolutely stunning. Vibrant, unique, gorgeous, they're practically perfect--especially Hero of Ages. I wish more authors could manage such attractive covers, I can't stand the vast majority of fantasy novels that look like they belong on some 80s hair metal album cover, even if the inside content is fantastic.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm Chapter One
« on: September 08, 2009, 03:35:10 AM »
Call me the voice of dissension, apparently, because I absolutely hated it. I read it through three times, and I couldn't stand it at all. I've never been a fan of Jordan, but I was hoping such a fantastic author as Sanderson could make the books actually interesting to read. I'd have read through all of the first Wheel books if these ended up half as promising as anything else Brandon's ever done.

But, no...This was just as boring as the writing that turned me off of Wheel of Time from the very first book. It didn't sound like Brandon's style at all. It's too descriptive...I love details, but not this much! Even when we finally do see the characters, they're barely there for a paragraph before it launches off into more melodramatic scenery. Part of what I love so much about Brandon's writing is the dry, witty dialogue, and so far I've seen none of it here.

Completely disappointed...The only good thing I can see from this is not having to read a bunch of boring books just to get to Brandon's greatness. Sigh. Will be eagerly awaiting the Stormlight Archive, I guess, and hope Brandon's style doesn't get infected by writing in this voice.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Official Gathering Storm Cover Impressions
« on: July 23, 2009, 08:26:49 PM »
Not a fan, though I've never been a huge WoT follower in the first place. The art for the books has always looked to be generic high fantasy, so I guess it fits in with the ho-hum theme of the rest of the series. =\

Would have liked to see a better cover for what are surely to be the best books in the run, though. xD

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Favorite Authors...Where does Brandon Rate?
« on: July 23, 2009, 08:23:48 PM »
Sanderson is easily my favorite right now. I recently started going through the Mistborn books with my girlfriend, and they're absolutely fantastic. Hands down some of the best books I've read in ages. No one comes close right now. xD

Other than that, I don't really have a particular order. Tamora Pierce is probably the only other author I enjoy that comes close to Sanderson, but while I enjoy a lot of others I really can't say that they'd be ranked as favorites.

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