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Title: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: jrh1524 on September 07, 2010, 08:41:34 PM
It seems like every time Kaladin does something honorable or heroic, Syl grows in power and/or gains memory.  Do you agree with that?  What is Syl becoming, what is her ultimate form?  Will she top out in power eventually or will she keep going?

Also, do you think there is any chemistry between the two?  Kaladin keeps commenting in his head that Syl is "pretty".  Do you think he'll get the sweets for her or Syl for him?  Will they even be able to get "romantic"?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: VegasDev on September 07, 2010, 08:48:07 PM
I imagine it would go down a little something like this
(http://www.backtotheeighties.net/images/steve-guttenberg-in-cocoon.jpg)
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: happyman on September 07, 2010, 10:33:02 PM
It seems like every time Kaladin does something honorable or heroic, Syl grows in power and/or gains memory.  Do you agree with that?  What is Syl becoming, what is her ultimate form?  Will she top out in power eventually or will she keep going?

Also, do you think there is any chemistry between the two?  Kaladin keeps commenting in his head that Syl is "pretty".  Do you think he'll get the sweets for her or Syl for him?  Will they even be able to get "romantic"?

Syl definitely responds to Kaladin being honorable.  I suppose that's why she's an honorspren:  She shows up naturally around honor the way painspren show up around pain or firespren around fire.  That bit of logic made sense.

My guess is that it is a two-way process:  She feeds Kaladin's sense of honor, and his honor feeds her.

My guess is that Kaladin's raw power has maxed out now that Kaladin has taken the oath of the knights radiant.  It seems like a good mortal (i.e. Elantrian or Returned or powerful Mistborn) level, and will take a lot of practice to master.  Also, it seems to me that it is the same level as Szeth has hit, and Szeth never said anything about increasing in power over time, nor have we seen such shown onscreen.

As for romance---I doubt it.  She's not human, after all.  In some sense, she's a metaphysical representation of Kaladin himself.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Aranfan on September 07, 2010, 11:07:42 PM
Personally I'm wondering where Szeth's honorspren is.  Syl really doesn't like leaving Kal, so why is Szeth missing his companion?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: ryos on September 07, 2010, 11:42:00 PM
My theory is that it's related to what I've come to call Geranid's Certainty Principle. Namely, that measuring an attribute of a spren (and recording that measurement) fixes said attribute for as long as the record stands. Kaladin serves as caliper and record for Syl. Remember when she left him, and almost lost herself? Somehow, he is measuring her, and she evolves along with his "record" of her attributes.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: rjl on September 08, 2010, 12:11:25 AM
My guess is that Kaladin's raw power has maxed out now that Kaladin has taken the oath of the knights radiant.  It seems like a good mortal (i.e. Elantrian or Returned or powerful Mistborn) level, and will take a lot of practice to master.  Also, it seems to me that it is the same level as Szeth has hit, and Szeth never said anything about increasing in power over time, nor have we seen such shown onscreen.
He only spoke the second Ideal of the Knights Radiant, I think there are more, so perhaps he has more power to come as he gets mroe in sync with Syl through committing himself to the rest of the Ideals, or perhaps not.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: happyman on September 08, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
My guess is that Kaladin's raw power has maxed out now that Kaladin has taken the oath of the knights radiant.  It seems like a good mortal (i.e. Elantrian or Returned or powerful Mistborn) level, and will take a lot of practice to master.  Also, it seems to me that it is the same level as Szeth has hit, and Szeth never said anything about increasing in power over time, nor have we seen such shown onscreen.
He only spoke the second Ideal of the Knights Radiant, I think there are more, so perhaps he has more power to come as he gets mroe in sync with Syl through committing himself to the rest of the Ideals, or perhaps not.

Actually, I did think of something.

The knights radiant are always shown using Shardplate and Shardblade.  Glowing Shardplate and Shardblade.  Yet, somehow, the current magic users are adverse to using them.  Maybe overcoming that particular weakness will be a way for Kaladin to power up again, as it were.  Heaven only knows he's going to need the help.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Munin on September 08, 2010, 09:33:16 PM
My guess is that Kaladin's raw power has maxed out now that Kaladin has taken the oath of the knights radiant.  It seems like a good mortal (i.e. Elantrian or Returned or powerful Mistborn) level, and will take a lot of practice to master.  Also, it seems to me that it is the same level as Szeth has hit, and Szeth never said anything about increasing in power over time, nor have we seen such shown onscreen.
He only spoke the second Ideal of the Knights Radiant, I think there are more, so perhaps he has more power to come as he gets mroe in sync with Syl through committing himself to the rest of the Ideals, or perhaps not.

Actually, I did think of something.

The knights radiant are always shown using Shardplate and Shardblade.  Glowing Shardplate and Shardblade.  Yet, somehow, the current magic users are adverse to using them.  Maybe overcoming that particular weakness will be a way for Kaladin to power up again, as it were.  Heaven only knows he's going to need the help.
The ones that we saw.

It's possible that the Surgebinding orders didn't use plate.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: sdelu on September 08, 2010, 09:42:32 PM
The ones that we saw.

It's possible that the Surgebinding orders didn't use plate.

Actually, I think we know for a fact that they did.  In Dalinar's vision of the Radiants giving up their plate and blade:

Quote from: US hardcover p 729
"...the Order of the Stonewards, my lord," the still-mounted scout was saying. "And a large number of Windrunners. All on foot."

We know that Windrunners are Surgebinders, and we know they were there to give up their Shard and Plate, so I think it's safe to say Surgebinders could use Shardplate.  Plus, the ones from Dalinar's other visions falling from the sky, those seem to be the work of the Lashings, no?  And when they hit the ground they have that "pulse" of Stormlight, just like Kaladin when he fell from tying the armor to the bridge.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Salkara on September 09, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
Anyone else have the suspicion that Syl will be key to Kaladin getting a Dawnblade? I'm basing this on some information without much flesh, but here's the evidence I see:

1. In the prologue, it's mentioned that the Herald's blade was more "pure" than a Shardblade.
2. Kaladin has an aversion to Shardblades
3. Syl also has an aversion to Shardblades
4. Syl states at one point that even though she abhors killing, she remembers helping it happen before

So, I think Kaladin and Syl dislike Shardblades for the same reason: they aren't "pure." The line about Syl helping kill tells me that she has something to do with acquiring a "pure" sword. Maybe she leads him to one, or maybe she becomes a sword. Who knows.

At the very least, this could help explain why Szeth doesn't have a honorspren following him around. He carries a Shardblade, and his honorspren finds it so dishonorable that he/she won't be around him.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Random112 on September 09, 2010, 10:48:20 PM
Agreed, it seems like once the Knights Radiant abandoned their swords and plate that they lost some of their power and purity. Somehow Kaladin will acquire or make his own Shardplate- I wouldnt be surprised if Dalinar did as well.

Anyone else have the suspicion that Syl will be key to Kaladin getting a Dawnblade? I'm basing this on some information without much flesh, but here's the evidence I see:

1. In the prologue, it's mentioned that the Herald's blade was more "pure" than a Shardblade.
2. Kaladin has an aversion to Shardblades
3. Syl also has an aversion to Shardblades
4. Syl states at one point that even though she abhors killing, she remembers helping it happen before

So, I think Kaladin and Syl dislike Shardblades for the same reason: they aren't "pure." The line about Syl helping kill tells me that she has something to do with acquiring a "pure" sword. Maybe she leads him to one, or maybe she becomes a sword. Who knows.

At the very least, this could help explain why Szeth doesn't have a honorspren following him around. He carries a Shardblade, and his honorspren finds it so dishonorable that he/she won't be around him.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Ari54 on September 12, 2010, 02:03:18 AM
Personally I'm wondering where Szeth's honorspren is.  Syl really doesn't like leaving Kal, so why is Szeth missing his companion?

I think we may find that Spren, while necessary for being a Radiant, are not necessary to access the magic systems. But that's pure speculation based on one of Jasnah's comments near the end of the book.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Munin on September 12, 2010, 02:26:24 AM
Personally I'm wondering where Szeth's honorspren is.  Syl really doesn't like leaving Kal, so why is Szeth missing his companion?

I think we may find that Spren, while necessary for being a Radiant, are not necessary to access the magic systems. But that's pure speculation based on one of Jasnah's comments near the end of the book.
On the other hand, an honorspren might partially explain Szeth's unwillingness to violate the terms of his punishment.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Ari54 on September 13, 2010, 03:13:21 AM
Possibly, but if so, you'd think we'd have seen his by now.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Sir_Read-a-Lot on September 13, 2010, 03:24:58 AM
I don't think that Syl's objection is inherent to the Shardblade itself.  Think about it - for the past couple centuries, to get a shardblade you either had to inherit it or kill it's owner (or be given it by someone else who killed it's owner).  None of these are terribly honorable.  I suspect that in the Knight Radiants' time, Shardblades were earned.  An earned shardblade would be far more honorable than an inherited one, or one that was murdered for.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Tangletalon on September 13, 2010, 04:55:37 AM
My guess is that Kaladin's raw power has maxed out now that Kaladin has taken the oath of the knights radiant.  It seems like a good mortal (i.e. Elantrian or Returned or powerful Mistborn) level, and will take a lot of practice to master.  Also, it seems to me that it is the same level as Szeth has hit, and Szeth never said anything about increasing in power over time, nor have we seen such shown onscreen.
He only spoke the second Ideal of the Knights Radiant, I think there are more, so perhaps he has more power to come as he gets mroe in sync with Syl through committing himself to the rest of the Ideals, or perhaps not.

Actually, I did think of something.

The knights radiant are always shown using Shardplate and Shardblade.  Glowing Shardplate and Shardblade.  Yet, somehow, the current magic users are adverse to using them.  Maybe overcoming that particular weakness will be a way for Kaladin to power up again, as it were.  Heaven only knows he's going to need the help.
The ones that we saw.

It's possible that the Surgebinding orders didn't use plate.
The Surgebinders didn't use plate,  although they probably used blade. They didn't because, as it says on page 29 in the hardcover (end of the page): "His Lashings interfered with the gemstones that powered Shardplate, and he had to choose one or the other."
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: rjl on September 13, 2010, 03:26:54 PM
Tangletalon: it's possible that Szeth is wrong, it has been postulate that some special method is needed to use surgebinding whilst wearing plate.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Munin on September 13, 2010, 05:54:30 PM
Or that the Windrunner orders used some kind of special Shardplate designed to work with Surgebinding.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Salkara on September 13, 2010, 08:16:52 PM
Perhaps Stonewardens(?) used plate while Windrunners used the blades.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Munin on September 13, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
Perhaps Stonewardens(?) used plate while Windrunners used the blades.
We already went over this. Re-read the previous page.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Cheese Ninja on September 20, 2010, 02:00:30 AM
I wonder if further Ideals after the 2nd allow the use of shardblade and shardplate.  There's 5, for each order, and the 1st is the same for all of them.  Kaladin leveled up after saying the 2nd.

Did anyone else notice this:
Quote
Holding his breath, he clung to the Stormlight. He could still feel it leaking out. Stormlight could be held for only a short time, a few minutes at most. It leaked away, the human body too porous a container. He had heard that the Voidbringers could hold it in perfectly. But, then, did they even exist? His punishment declared that they didn’t. His honor demanded that they did.
- Szeth, prologue
Quote
Kaladin relaxed. He was still steaming light, and—save for the call to Lopen—he’d been holding his breath for a good quarter hour. That could be handy, he thought, though his lungs were starting to burn, so he started to breathe normally. The Light didn’t leave him altogether, though it escaped faster.
- Kaladin, when he's climbing up with the rocks

Szeth said it could only be held for a few minutes, then Kaladin holds it (and his breath) for 15 minutes?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Galavantes on September 20, 2010, 02:04:55 AM
I wonder if further Ideals after the 2nd allow the use of shardblade and shardplate.  There's 5, for each order, and the 1st is the same for all of them.  Kaladin leveled up after saying the 2nd.

Did anyone else notice this:
Quote
Holding his breath, he clung to the Stormlight. He could still feel it leaking out. Stormlight could be held for only a short time, a few minutes at most. It leaked away, the human body too porous a container. He had heard that the Voidbringers could hold it in perfectly. But, then, did they even exist? His punishment declared that they didn’t. His honor demanded that they did.
- Szeth, prologue
Quote
Kaladin relaxed. He was still steaming light, and—save for the call to Lopen—he’d been holding his breath for a good quarter hour. That could be handy, he thought, though his lungs were starting to burn, so he started to breathe normally. The Light didn’t leave him altogether, though it escaped faster.
- Kaladin, when he's climbing up with the rocks

Szeth said it could only be held for a few minutes, then Kaladin holds it (and his breath) for 15 minutes?

15 minutes could be considered a "few" minutes for the purpose of narration.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Stormblessed on September 20, 2010, 08:31:20 AM
I see spren as physical representations of emotions. As an honourspren, she is created from honour. The greater the honour, the more powerful she comes, and the more conscious of her surroundings she becomes.

I think that Szeth isn't bonded to a spren, maybe gaining his power through some sort of Fabriel instead (his power instead coming from an imprisoned spren that may lie in his oathstone - which may explain the bond between the stone and himself). That is why he can't wear a shardplate, because the gems in the shardplate conflict with the fabriel. However, with a purely made bond between spren and human has no such limit which is why windrunners were able to wear shardplates.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: guy on September 22, 2010, 07:12:38 PM
Dalinars vision with Nohadon implies that surgebinders dont need to bond with just honorspren, others work too.  maybe only people bonded with honorspren can use shardplate
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: jcats on September 22, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
another possibility, what if the reason Syl doesn't like Shardplate/Shardblades is the fact they to get the full power out of them, you have to infuse the Gems with Stormlight, and a Spren.   Syl "knows" this instinctively, and feels that all the blades and armor around her are empty, hollow shells, just waiting to Suck her in and Trap her.


see Translation Thread for explanation.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Never on September 22, 2010, 09:26:59 PM
Shardplate runs on gems. Is there any indication that shardblade does the same?

Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Xavien on September 22, 2010, 11:05:04 PM
I think that Syl's aversion to Shardblades is related to the revulsion that Dalinar feels when he is fighting (and also possibly why the Radiants threw down their Shards and stopped fighting).  They have come to represent objects of power and mindless killing as opposed to ones used to protect and defend.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: guy on September 23, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
whose ideas of honor do honorspren follow, because honor is different from one culture to the next, is there one universal way that honorspren adhere to, or is it completely up to the individual
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: happyman on September 24, 2010, 02:19:37 PM
whose ideas of honor do honorspren follow, because honor is different from one culture to the next, is there one universal way that honorspren adhere to, or is it completely up to the individual

I would say that in Roshar, there apparently is an objective standard of honor.  If you don't like it, well, that's fantasy for you.  It doesn't always fit the real world.

And even in the real world, some people would claim that an absolute standard does exist, although this is not the thread to debate that on.  Just tossing it out there.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Stormblessed on September 24, 2010, 03:54:20 PM
Honour is a strange one. We would become philosophers if we were to have a proper conversation about it.

I see honour as being true to what you believe in. Never trying to hide it, or go against it. Honour is not necessarily good, but neither is it bad. It is subjective.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: VegasDev on September 24, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
Just wanted to add this excerpt from Dalinars vision of the Radiants discarding their blades and armor:

Quote
Dalinar reached the Shardblades. They sprouted from the rock like glittering silver trees, a forest of weapons. They glowed softly in a way his own Shardblade never had, but as he dashed among them, their light started to fade.

A terrible feeling struck him. A sense of immense tragedy, of pain and betrayal. Stopping where he stood, he gasped, hand to his chest. What was happening? What was the dreadful feeling, that screaming he swore he could almost hear?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: guy on September 24, 2010, 05:44:21 PM
that screaming could come from the spren going back to mindless pranksters, it certainly implies that the cause of the glowing is the bond with the spren
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Galavantes on September 24, 2010, 06:36:52 PM
whose ideas of honor do honorspren follow, because honor is different from one culture to the next, is there one universal way that honorspren adhere to, or is it completely up to the individual

Syl specifically wants Kaladin to speak the words from the Way of Kings. The code of honor followed by the knights radiant. I think there is enough in-world evidence that we can be pretty safe using those codes as the benchmark.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: BackBlast on October 13, 2010, 01:36:38 AM
Anyone else have the suspicion that Syl will be key to Kaladin getting a Dawnblade? I'm basing this on some information without much flesh, but here's the evidence I see:

1. In the prologue, it's mentioned that the Herald's blade was more "pure" than a Shardblade.
2. Kaladin has an aversion to Shardblades
3. Syl also has an aversion to Shardblades
4. Syl states at one point that even though she abhors killing, she remembers helping it happen before

So, I think Kaladin and Syl dislike Shardblades for the same reason: they aren't "pure." The line about Syl helping kill tells me that she has something to do with acquiring a "pure" sword. Maybe she leads him to one, or maybe she becomes a sword. Who knows.

At the very least, this could help explain why Szeth doesn't have a honorspren following him around. He carries a Shardblade, and his honorspren finds it so dishonorable that he/she won't be around him.

The shardblades do indeed seem tainted after some fashion.  Syl and Kaladin are both revolted by them.  Most honorable characters are not particularly fond of them to varying degrees, Szeth, Shalan, Gavilar.

As for Kaladin obtaining some equipment to accompany his powers, it's certainly possible.  There is a passing reference to "honor blades" which I believe was right next to a dawnshard reference from one of the historical text citations.  I believe that sounds like a good candidate I think.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: EvilNuff on October 14, 2010, 02:13:31 AM
The Surgebinders didn't use plate,  although they probably used blade. They didn't because, as it says on page 29 in the hardcover (end of the page): "His Lashings interfered with the gemstones that powered Shardplate, and he had to choose one or the other."

We only know that Szeth does not use the shardplate of modern time.  However, we also know through multiple references that shadplate from Dalinars visions was different/more and that when left by the Radiants it lost its glow.  We also know that surgebinders used shardplate and lashed themselves while in it directly from the visions.  See numerous references to Radiants falling from the sky or floating up.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Andrew the Great on October 14, 2010, 06:20:01 PM
I'm wondering if it would be possible for Radiants to power the Shardplate themselves. After all, the primary purpose of the gems (at least this is how I read it) is to provide Stormlight for the Plate. Theoretically, this is why Szeth's surgebinding interferes with it. He pulls the Stormlight out of the gems and the Shardplate has no power source.

If he were to consciously feed Stormlight into the Plate at a slow rate, though, I can see that working. Maybe that's what was what the Radiants originally did, and the gems were just there for them to continue to renew their supply of Stormlight. Like batteries.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on January 20, 2011, 10:37:53 AM
I'm wondering if it would be possible for Radiants to power the Shardplate themselves. After all, the primary purpose of the gems (at least this is how I read it) is to provide Stormlight for the Plate. Theoretically, this is why Szeth's surgebinding interferes with it. He pulls the Stormlight out of the gems and the Shardplate has no power source.

If he were to consciously feed Stormlight into the Plate at a slow rate, though, I can see that working. Maybe that's what was what the Radiants originally did, and the gems were just there for them to continue to renew their supply of Stormlight. Like batteries.

[ThreadNecro]
I think this this an excellent theory. I approve of this theory.

Also, I think the Honorblades are the Herald's uber-Shardblades. 9 of which are probably still  stuck somewhere or other, and one of which was last seen lying next to it's unconscious owner. (he ain't dead, cause Brandon sez he gets an expanded role later and he can't if he's dead. )

(edited to fix highly-unfortunate typo)
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Melriken on January 22, 2011, 04:20:14 AM
Also, I think the Honorblades are the Herald's uber-Shardblades. 9 of which are probably still  stuck somewhere or other, and one of which was last seen lying next to it's unconscious owner. (he ain't dead, cause Brandon sez he gets an expanded role later and he can't if he's dead. )

(edited to fix highly-unfortunate typo)
He dies in the first chapter, is refered to as "having a tendency to choose seemingly hopeless fights and win them. He also had a tendency to die in the process." and shows up in the last chapter, only to die (we know he dies because his blade drops to the ground).  What gives you the idea that death does much more then slow the Heralds down?

More on-topic I think that there are two sources of blades.

1 - The Parshendi source (Odium) which is the source of Voidshards.
2 - The Knights Radiant source (Almighty) which is the source of Dawnshards.

From the second to last chapter we have the quotes:
Quote from: Chapter 75
(The Almighty speaking (Page 997 of the original hard back))
Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. Speak again the ancient oaths and return to men the Shards they once bore.
Quote from: Chapter 75
(The Almighty speaking (Page 997 of the original hard back))You might be able to get him to choose a champion. He is bound by some rules. All of us are. A champion could work well for you, but it is not certain. And ... without the Dawnshards ... Well, I have done what I can. It is a terrible, terrible thing to leave you alone.

It is possible that the Swords of the Heralds are the Dawnshards, but I don't get that impression (though I checked and we don't get a name for the words of the Heralds, just a comment about them being "weapons of power beyond even Shardblades".

I think Syl would have no problem with a Dawnshard, it is only Voidshards that feel wrong to her.

I would also like to point out the existence of Shardbearers among the Parshendi, both Blade and Plate, and that when those Blades or Plate are captured that none of the Alethi can tell the difference between them and the Blades/Plate that they have.

We also know that during the previous Desolation there were thousands of Knights Radiant (10 orders of 200-300), each with a Blade and likely Plate, yet in modern times there are maybe 100 of each. I postulate that ALL the Dawnshards are missing, and the 100 or so Shardblades that are around 'today' are all Voidshards, captured from the Voidbringers during Desolations.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on January 22, 2011, 04:37:15 AM
Also, I think the Honorblades are the Herald's uber-Shardblades. 9 of which are probably still  stuck somewhere or other, and one of which was last seen lying next to it's unconscious owner. (he ain't dead, cause Brandon sez he gets an expanded role later and he can't if he's dead. )

(edited to fix highly-unfortunate typo)
He dies in the first chapter, is refered to as "having a tendency to choose seemingly hopeless fights and win them. He also had a tendency to die in the process." and shows up in the last chapter, only to die (we know he dies because his blade drops to the ground).  What gives you the idea that death does much more then slow the Heralds down?

we're meant to THINK he's dead, but I'm pretty sure the Herald's Blades work differently then regular Shardblades.
from the prelude, talking about the swords in the ring, "if their masters had died, the Blades would have vanished."

So I think he didn't actually die, he's just unconscious.

Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Tortellini on January 22, 2011, 02:24:31 PM
we're meant to THINK he's dead, but I'm pretty sure the Herald's Blades work differently then regular Shardblades.
from the prelude, talking about the swords in the ring, "if their masters had died, the Blades would have vanished."

So I think he didn't actually die, he's just unconscious.

Exactly, the prelude is pretty clear on this. The blade remaining is actually proof that he is still alive. Why these blades are the exact opposite of normal Shardblades in that regard is an interesting question, but we don't have anything to go on for now.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: socom-delta on January 22, 2011, 09:51:08 PM
My theory is that it's related to what I've come to call Geranid's Certainty Principle. Namely, that measuring an attribute of a spren (and recording that measurement) fixes said attribute for as long as the record stands. Kaladin serves as caliper and record for Syl. Remember when she left him, and almost lost herself? Somehow, he is measuring her, and she evolves along with his "record" of her attributes.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the blatantly obvious parallel to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, from modern Quantum Mechanics.

Basically the idea is that a particle can be in any one of eight different states UNLESS you actually measure it - then it is DEFINITELY in one state. But until it's measured, it can be in any one of those eight states (or perhaps even eight at once?).

There are already working computers that take advantage of this theory. Things that shouldn't work... and yet they do.

-e-

I got Heisenberg mixed up with Schroedinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat)
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on January 22, 2011, 10:06:47 PM
Brandon's also borrowing from quantum theory with the spanreeds,the way they work is  based on quantum entanglement, where you can split a particle and the two resulting particles will be connected and what you do to one will have effects on the other.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: CabbyHat on January 23, 2011, 05:19:22 AM
My theory is that it's related to what I've come to call Geranid's Certainty Principle. Namely, that measuring an attribute of a spren (and recording that measurement) fixes said attribute for as long as the record stands. Kaladin serves as caliper and record for Syl. Remember when she left him, and almost lost herself? Somehow, he is measuring her, and she evolves along with his "record" of her attributes.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the blatantly obvious parallel to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, from modern Quantum Mechanics.

Basically the idea is that a particle can be in any one of eight different states UNLESS you actually measure it - then it is DEFINITELY in one state. But until it's measured, it can be in any one of those eight states (or perhaps even eight at once?).

There are already working computers that take advantage of this theory. Things that shouldn't work... and yet they do.

-e-

I got Heisenberg mixed up with Schroedinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat)

Schrodinger's Flamespren? :P
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: happyman on January 26, 2011, 12:10:32 AM
My theory is that it's related to what I've come to call Geranid's Certainty Principle. Namely, that measuring an attribute of a spren (and recording that measurement) fixes said attribute for as long as the record stands. Kaladin serves as caliper and record for Syl. Remember when she left him, and almost lost herself? Somehow, he is measuring her, and she evolves along with his "record" of her attributes.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the blatantly obvious parallel to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, from modern Quantum Mechanics.

Basically the idea is that a particle can be in any one of eight different states UNLESS you actually measure it - then it is DEFINITELY in one state. But until it's measured, it can be in any one of those eight states (or perhaps even eight at once?).

There are already working computers that take advantage of this theory. Things that shouldn't work... and yet they do.

-e-

I got Heisenberg mixed up with Schroedinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat)

Why stick with just eight states?  For unbound systems, there is an infinite continuum of states a particle can be in, and which it will be in is somewhat undetermined until a measurement is actually made!

Heck, even for bound states, there are usually a countably infinite number of states.  (And even then, the discrete energies is really only an approximation.  Everything you learn about physics is a progressively less flagrant lie until you get past the graduate level courses into the real literature.)

However, the parallel to the Uncertainty principle is quite obvious, that is for sure!  Not sure how it's going to play out, but I believe Brandon has said it's pretty important.

As for working computers... technically we have them.  If you're willing to pay a few million bucks to factorize 15, you can indeed have a quantum computer.  Practical quantum computers?  No.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on February 09, 2011, 11:07:53 PM
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However, the parallel to the Uncertainty principle is quite obvious, that is for sure!  Not sure how it's going to play out, but I believe Brandon has said it's pretty important.

any citations on that? Just curious. Cause it's really interesting.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: happyman on February 10, 2011, 03:22:15 PM
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However, the parallel to the Uncertainty principle is quite obvious, that is for sure!  Not sure how it's going to play out, but I believe Brandon has said it's pretty important.

any citations on that? Just curious. Cause it's really interesting.

Ack.  You got me.  I don't remember.  I vaguely remember something in an interview about Brandon saying "Some researchers have made a discovery that will have huge ramifications," and given that the only researchers were the ones who discovered the Spren Certainty Principle, along with the revelation that all fabrials are fueled by Spren, and well, it's not a big jump.  But I can't give a citation.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Tasslehoof on February 10, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Also, I think the Honorblades are the Herald's uber-Shardblades. 9 of which are probably still  stuck somewhere or other, and one of which was last seen lying next to it's unconscious owner. (he ain't dead, cause Brandon sez he gets an expanded role later and he can't if he's dead. )

(edited to fix highly-unfortunate typo)
He dies in the first chapter, is refered to as "having a tendency to choose seemingly hopeless fights and win them. He also had a tendency to die in the process." and shows up in the last chapter, only to die (we know he dies because his blade drops to the ground).  What gives you the idea that death does much more then slow the Heralds down?


Pretty sure Shardblades and Dawnshards operate in the opposite fashion.  When you die with a shardblade, it remains, and when you die with a Dawnshard it vanishes.  This is from the Prologue.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on February 11, 2011, 12:41:32 AM
Also, I think the Honorblades are the Herald's uber-Shardblades. 9 of which are probably still  stuck somewhere or other, and one of which was last seen lying next to it's unconscious owner. (he ain't dead, cause Brandon sez he gets an expanded role later and he can't if he's dead. )

(edited to fix highly-unfortunate typo)
He dies in the first chapter, is refered to as "having a tendency to choose seemingly hopeless fights and win them. He also had a tendency to die in the process." and shows up in the last chapter, only to die (we know he dies because his blade drops to the ground).  What gives you the idea that death does much more then slow the Heralds down?


Pretty sure Shardblades and Dawnshards operate in the opposite fashion.  When you die with a shardblade, it remains, and when you die with a Dawnshard it vanishes.  This is from the Prologue.

Yep, I already pointed that out, and I also pointed out that I don't think the Dawnshards are the Heralds' Blades, I think they are called Honorblades.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: cromptj on February 27, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
Just rereading the prelude and judging from the information given, it looks like the battle and the honourblades are in makadakam? I considered Shin kak Nish but I remembered that Cultivation lives there.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on March 04, 2011, 08:16:40 AM
what gave you that impression? I didn't see any way to ID the place where the battle was.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Halcyon on March 22, 2011, 04:31:55 PM
A couple of observations/questions

There is speculation in other threads here that there are shards named after different "emotional states or actions" and these shards can be destroyed or splintered. Spren seem to be a more recent thing. I don't remember them described anywhere in the visions of the past-- the time of the heralds. Syl is an honor Spren and the almighty is possibly somehow connected to the "honor" shard. Is it possible the Spren are some manifestation of Odium and Honor just splintered beyond recognition?

Is it possible Kaladin is, by acting honorably, slowly becoming the new "almighty" by making Syl strong enough to reform the shard of honor or become it? Or Kaladin could be the shard and Syl is the conscience of the shard or an external projection of the shard in him.

I'm starting to think the Highstorms are the "essence" of the almighty left after his "death".

Shard plate, may be something that grows out of oneself and one's character, that is, knights may have created their own shard plate in the past. Now people are just running around wearing the symbol of someone else's honor. This would explain why Syl sees the shard plate and armor as distasteful.

What do you guys think?



Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: MrJon3s on March 29, 2011, 01:23:54 AM
We don't actually know how shardplate and blade is made. Maybe kaladin and syl will end up making some shardplate and blade as he unlocks the sayings.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: EvilNuff on March 29, 2011, 03:59:56 AM
...Spren seem to be a more recent thing. I don't remember them described anywhere in the visions of the past-- the time of the heralds.

Spren do exist, from Dalinars conversation with (presumably) Nohadon:
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And yet, the Nahel bond gave him no more wisdom than a regular man. Alas, not all spren are as discerning as honorspren.”
and
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“They need to be better, old friend. We all do. The responsibility of what we’ve been given—whether it be the crown or the Nahel bond—needs to make us better.”

This indicates to me that some spren existed even though the more generic ones we have not seen. 
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on March 29, 2011, 04:49:50 AM
I guess the spren that were associated  with Surgebinders/the Radiants have  been around a long time,other spren are newer (spawned by the death of the Almighty?)
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: CabbyHat on March 30, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
I guess the spren that were associated  with Surgebinders/the Radiants have  been around a long time,other spren are newer (spawned by the death of the Almighty?)

Or here's a thought, what if the greater spren that bonded with the Radiants somehow lost their power or splintered into the more common spren over the intervening years? That might be why no one ever sees them any more, and it makes a certain amount of sense with how Syl was running around thinking she was a windspren.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Bridge 4 Survivor on April 12, 2011, 11:03:21 AM
In my second read I could not shake the feeling that somehow Kalidan and Syl's symbiotic relationship might culminate with her joining to Kalidan, fusing to become something greater than both of them.  Similar to a Cortana and Masterchief relationship. She just improves upon Kalidan's already incredible skills and abilities. I am new to the site, and look forward to reading other peoples thoughts and ideas. i am glad that I am not alone in thinking Mr. Sanderson tips the awesome meter over.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Miyabi on April 12, 2011, 03:44:07 PM

I have honestly not been keeping up with this thread, so I apologize if something I say has already been said or discussed.

Remember how the Knights Radiants' armor glowed and they were able to jump and fly in a similar manner to the way Szeth or Kaladin probably could if they got advanced enough and had enough Stormlight?

My theory is that eventually Syl will outgrow her body's capability to hold power.  I think at this time she will become a Blade and/or Plate and perhaps change back to a Spren when she is not being used.

If you think about it, not everyone can see all Spren right?  (e.g. You have to be drunk to see that one Spren.)  Now perhaps all Blades are made this way.  Where do they go when they disappear?  I propose they turn back into Spren, but no one is attuned to them so no  one sees them.  Perhaps this is why Syl loathes the other Blades so much.  They could be a different type of Spren, a corrupt, evil version of herself.

When someone intentionally puts a Blade down it doesn't evaporate.  We know Spren can be caught and put into gems.  This could be a similar concept.

If she turned into Plate, her abilities to Bind would still be usable by her, which could explain the Radiant's being able to do it even though they were in Plate.

This could also explain why Szeth wouldn't be able to use his Binding in another set of Plate, because it's from a different type of Spren and it doesn't interact with the Honor Spren.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: SirZelig on April 12, 2011, 09:35:55 PM
Where does it say Szeth can't use his lashings in plate? I thought he just couldn't use them against people in plate.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: CabbyHat on April 12, 2011, 10:14:53 PM
"Szeth didn't own a set of Plate himself, and didn't care to. His Lashings interfered with the gemstones that powered Shardplate, and he had to choose one or the other."

The Way of Kings US hardcover, page 29

Hm... I should pick up a paperback copy for this kind of thing when they come out. The pages on mine are starting to get a bit worn.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Miyabi on April 13, 2011, 12:25:01 AM

LASHING,  That's it!  lol.  I for some reason couldn't remember for sure what it was called, and my book is in a suitcase somewhere. xD
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: EvilNuff on April 13, 2011, 12:33:30 AM
Of course if the Knights Radiant powered their plate differently then it wouldn't interfere with their abilities... :)
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Stormblessed on April 13, 2011, 12:51:50 AM
Of course if the Knights Radiant powered their plate differently then it wouldn't interfere with their abilities... :)

Absorbing stormlight held in gemstones into themselves (like Szeth and Kaladin do) to power the shardplate and create lashings. Thats my theory at least.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Minuet on June 01, 2011, 04:57:11 PM
Expounding on the theory of Radiants powering their suits differently:

Would the Radiants be inhibited in the amount of stormlight they infuse themselves with like Szeth and Kaladin?
You'll recall that in the book the more they inhaled, they increasingly felt as though the storm would rip them apart.
Granted, the Radiants would be enhanced by the plate, but not infinitely. If they were using lashings they would be massively bound by time. It would be a balancing act of keeping the plate and self infused. The more spent on lashings, the less the plate has.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: JustTee on June 13, 2011, 05:49:58 PM
Expounding on the theory of Radiants powering their suits differently:

Would the Radiants be inhibited in the amount of stormlight they infuse themselves with like Szeth and Kaladin?
You'll recall that in the book the more they inhaled, they increasingly felt as though the storm would rip them apart.
Granted, the Radiants would be enhanced by the plate, but not infinitely. If they were using lashings they would be massively bound by time. It would be a balancing act of keeping the plate and self infused. The more spent on lashings, the less the plate has.

Thoughts?

Personally, I think they use the crystals in the armor/plate as batteries. Instead of directly absorbing the stormlight themselves, they absorb it and then store it in the armor - providing the armor with its glow.

Then they use the stored stormlight to fuel their lashings (or other powers). It's a process that must have been lost - directly using stormlight without having to absorb it first.

Or perhaps there's some sort of hybrid effect when the suit and the user can both use stormlight. We'll see, but I think my battery idea might be fairly close.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: imaninja347 on July 14, 2011, 12:56:28 PM
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CHILD OF TANAVAST, CHILD OF HONOR. CHILD OF ONE LONG SINCE DEPARTED. THE OATHPACT WAS SHATTERED. MEN RIDE THE STORMS NO LONGER. THE OATHPACT IS BROKEN, CHILD OF HONOR...
page 648 of US Hardcover

Could this have importance as to what Kaladin will become? Also, 'men ride the storms no longer' could be referring to a way that the windrunners travelled, instead of the idea that they just use lashings. Putting it out there.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: blackmagic7 on July 17, 2011, 05:59:06 AM
Personally I'm wondering where Szeth's honorspren is.  Syl really doesn't like leaving Kal, so why is Szeth missing his companion?
In the magical descriptions at the end of The way of Kings it say that there were two types of surgebinding, windrunning could be one type and  Szeth could have another type. Furthermore Nohadon says the Alakavish is a surgebinder and has the Nahel bond but not all spren are as discerning as a honorspren suggesting differnet types of Surgebinding. Jasnah says there were two orders that did soulcasting so it makes sense that two orders performed surgebinding. I just wanted to ask if anyone knows anything about Dustbringers it is mentioned in the prologue.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: blackmagic7 on July 17, 2011, 06:12:40 AM

I have honestly not been keeping up with this thread, so I apologize if something I say has already been said or discussed.

Remember how the Knights Radiants' armor glowed and they were able to jump and fly in a similar manner to the way Szeth or Kaladin probably could if they got advanced enough and had enough Stormlight?

My theory is that eventually Syl will outgrow her body's capability to hold power.  I think at this time she will become a Blade and/or Plate and perhaps change back to a Spren when she is not being used.

If you think about it, not everyone can see all Spren right?  (e.g. You have to be drunk to see that one Spren.)  Now perhaps all Blades are made this way.  Where do they go when they disappear?  I propose they turn back into Spren, but no one is attuned to them so no  one sees them.  Perhaps this is why Syl loathes the other Blades so much.  They could be a different type of Spren, a corrupt, evil version of herself.

When someone intentionally puts a Blade down it doesn't evaporate.  We know Spren can be caught and put into gems.  This could be a similar concept.

If she turned into Plate, her abilities to Bind would still be usable by her, which could explain the Radiant's being able to do it even though they were in Plate.

This could also explain why Szeth wouldn't be able to use his Binding in another set of Plate, because it's from a different type of Spren and it doesn't interact with the Honor Spren.

I agree with what your saying and i just wanted to point out that when Kaladin is dying after being strung out Syl wears armor and has a sword to fights off the death spren. We can see that Syl knows how to form armor and plate.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on July 17, 2011, 07:04:34 AM
Personally I'm wondering where Szeth's honorspren is.  Syl really doesn't like leaving Kal, so why is Szeth missing his companion?
In the magical descriptions at the end of The way of Kings it say that there were two types of surgebinding, windrunning could be one type and  Szeth could have another type. Furthermore Nohadon says the Alakavish is a surgebinder and has the Nahel bond but not all spren are as discerning as a honorspren suggesting differnet types of Surgebinding. Jasnah says there were two orders that did soulcasting so it makes sense that two orders performed surgebinding. I just wanted to ask if anyone knows anything about Dustbringers it is mentioned in the prologue.

There's actually 10 types of Surgebinding I think,  Szeth and Kaladin both can control Gravity (the Basic and Reverse Lashings) and Pressure (the Full Lashing) which is two types. Each order of the KR had two types of Surgebinding and each type was shared by two orders  (and Brandon has clarified that Soulcasting the way Jasnah and Shallan do is a type of Surgebinding, controlling a Surge called Transformation).

Also, Brandon has said that something different is happening with Szeth then with Kaladin, which implies that he gets his powers in a different way then Kaladin and we think he doesn't have a spren. But he did confirm that Kaladin and Szeth are using the same powerset, even if they get it in different ways.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: imaninja347 on July 19, 2011, 07:59:07 PM
I was always wondering about that scene when Syl fights off the death spren. I don't have the book with me at the moment, but didn't Kaladin mention something about the appearance of the sword Syl was weilding? I don't remember her wearing armor but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Cheese Ninja on July 19, 2011, 08:02:51 PM
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Also, Brandon has said that something different is happening with Szeth then with Kaladin, which implies that he gets his powers in a different way then Kaladin and we think he doesn't have a spren. But he did confirm that Kaladin and Szeth are using the same powerset, even if they get it in different ways.

For some reason I think Szeth's shardblade is extra magical, and that it is what gives him his windrunner abilities.  But there's not enough shardblades shown for me to be sure that Szeth's is actually different from normal.  Turning his eyes sapphire might not mean anything at all.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: imaninja347 on July 19, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
Szeth's Blade is considerably smaller than the other Shardblades that were described; Szeth's is not 6 feet long. So his Blade is definitely 'different' but I don't think 'extra-magical' is the right term.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: andygal on July 19, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
Szeth implies that the fact that it changes his eyes when he summons it is unique to that particular one. 

Also, Szeth is shorter then most of the other characters, so his sword is well suited to him.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: imaninja347 on July 23, 2011, 09:43:09 PM
where does Szeth imply that?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Cheese Ninja on July 26, 2011, 10:08:55 PM
Taravangian says
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"Was this your destiny? Do you wonder? Given that monstrosity of a Shardblade by your people, cast out and absolved of any sin your masters might require of you?"
In the prologue Szeth thinks:
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He left the king’s Shardblade; he had no use for it. The Blade Szeth already carried was curse enough.
Either the Shin think all shardblades are trouble, or there's something special about his.

In the Glory of Ignorance intermission chapter, Szeth thinks:
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What would these men say if they knew that the man who emptied their chamber pot was a Shardbearer and a Surgebinder? A Windrunner, like the Radiants of old? The moment he summoned his Blade, his eyes would turn from dark green to pale—almost glowing—sapphire, a unique effect of his particular weapon.

Also, Szeth's shardblade is edged on both sides.  I'm not sure that any of the others are, and I know for sure that some are single edged.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Loud_G on August 05, 2011, 12:15:56 PM
Szeth implies that the fact that it changes his eyes when he summons it is unique to that particular one. 

Also, Szeth is shorter then most of the other characters, so his sword is well suited to him.

This probably has something to do with the legend that a darkeyes taking up a shardblade becomes a lighteyes. You wouldn't notice with Adolin or the others because they already have light colored eyes.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Shiael on August 05, 2011, 03:57:20 PM
About the shardblades: at the end, syl says something like "I dont know. It just feels wrong to me. I hate it. Im glad he got rid of it. makes him a better man" when dalinar gives up his shardblade. so maybe szeth isnt the only one who thinks they are trouble?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Feloxia on August 08, 2011, 08:21:39 AM
Perhaps we'll eventually get a diagram of the different powers like the metal chart for Mistborn. In which case there should definitely be an awesome poster for it.

Also, there was something else that occurred to me while reading through the thread but I've forgotten it ;.;

Edit: I remembered it! Here's some questions that I thought of:

So, were there highstorms before Almighty was killed? If not, what did they power the gems with? If so, were they lesser or greater in power? The KR seemed to have a pretty stable supply of stormlight, so if there were no highstorms then they are not the only source of power...so maybe spren are sources of power, and now that Almighty is dead the highstorms are  a larger, more infrequent source?


Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: CabbyHat on August 09, 2011, 01:03:21 AM
Oh, that's an interesting point! Hadn't thought of that. Maybe the Almighty was taking a more active role back then, so the Knights could just absorb it directly, then transfer it into gems for use in fabrials?
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Ari54 on August 13, 2011, 12:28:39 PM
Perhaps we'll eventually get a diagram of the different powers like the metal chart for Mistborn. In which case there should definitely be an awesome poster for it.

Also, there was something else that occurred to me while reading through the thread but I've forgotten it ;.;

Edit: I remembered it! Here's some questions that I thought of:

So, were there highstorms before Almighty was killed? If not, what did they power the gems with? If so, were they lesser or greater in power? The KR seemed to have a pretty stable supply of stormlight, so if there were no highstorms then they are not the only source of power...so maybe spren are sources of power, and now that Almighty is dead the highstorms are  a larger, more infrequent source?

I wonder if the diagram would be similar to that inside-cover illustration in the american hardback.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 13, 2011, 04:44:49 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: cromptj on August 16, 2011, 10:21:11 AM
So will Brandon bother doing a separate table, or will he just explain the diagram at some over the course of the series and expect you to have the US version.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 16, 2011, 05:27:18 PM
Many of the symbols won't be explained for years yet. This is a 10-book series, after all. The image may be made into a poster though.
Title: Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
Post by: Feloxia on August 17, 2011, 02:22:19 AM
Perhaps we'll eventually get a diagram of the different powers like the metal chart for Mistborn. In which case there should definitely be an awesome poster for it.

Also, there was something else that occurred to me while reading through the thread but I've forgotten it ;.;

Edit: I remembered it! Here's some questions that I thought of:

So, were there highstorms before Almighty was killed? If not, what did they power the gems with? If so, were they lesser or greater in power? The KR seemed to have a pretty stable supply of stormlight, so if there were no highstorms then they are not the only source of power...so maybe spren are sources of power, and now that Almighty is dead the highstorms are  a larger, more infrequent source?

I wonder if the diagram would be similar to that inside-cover illustration in the american hardback.
Ah, right. I forgot about that diagram.