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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Elusive Fehler on September 06, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
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"I wonder if you could do that to a man. Pull him apart, emotion by emotion, bit by bit, bloody chunk by bloody chunk. Then combine them beck together into something else, like a Dysian Aimian. If you do put a man together like that, Dalinar, be sure to name him Gibberish, after me. Or perhaps Gibletish."
-Hoid to Dalinar, The Way of Kings - Chapter 54
Hoid says this line seconds after:
"I know," Wit said, the looked directly at him. "Adonalsium."
-Hoid to Dalinar, The Way of Kings - Chapter 54
Is the top quote Hoid speculating on what happened to Adonalsium? Is her wondering aloud if he will ever be able to reassemble him/it?
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Perhaps.
Personally, I got the impression that he was just trying to figure out if Dalinar knew anything about it. He'd probably heard about his visions, and was wondering if Dalinar fully understood what was going on.
But your theory is also a possibility.
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Actually, this speculation is what I was wondering as well. Oh, I'm sure Hoid dropped the name Adonalsium in order to find out what Dalinar knew, but his speculations on pulling people apart and putting them together---that probably is related to his larger quest and purpose.
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I totally read this as Hoid musing almost to himself on Adonalsium. I'll have to go over it again when I get my copy back. :)
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And you've got it backwards. He mentions Adonalsium, Dalinar questions him, and Wit responds that the word was "Nonsense. Baldertdash. Figgldygrak." Then he goes on to his person named Gibberish.
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I'm on to something! What if Hoid is Adonalsium?! Hoid lost his powers some how a long time ago, and is going around to the different worlds trying to help people while at the same time get his powers back. He has some huge and complicated plan he is working on.
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I'm on to something! What if Hoid is Adonalsium?! Hoid lost his powers some how a long time ago, and is going around to the different worlds trying to help people while at the same time get his powers back. He has some huge and complicated plan he is working on.
Perhaps Hoid is secretly Bela (http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Bela)!
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I'm on to something! What if Hoid is Adonalsium?! Hoid lost his powers some how a long time ago, and is going around to the different worlds trying to help people while at the same time get his powers back. He has some huge and complicated plan he is working on.
Perhaps Hoid is secretly Bela (http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Bela)!
Don't forget, Bela is the Creator.
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Bela?
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Bela?
It's a running joke from some Wheel of Time forums, that Bela the horse is the Creator of the world.
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Bela?
It's a running joke from some Wheel of Time forums, that Bela the horse is the Creator of the world.
And Narg is Shai'tan?
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It's also part of the joke that one or the other of Bela and Narg, maybe both, killed Asmodean.
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And you've got it backwards. He mentions Adonalsium, Dalinar questions him, and Wit responds that the word was "Nonsense. Baldertdash. Figgldygrak." Then he goes on to his person named Gibberish.
Yes, I remember that. As if he was dealing with an interruption by dismissing it and then going back to his train of thought. :P
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It's also part of the joke that one or the other of Bela and Narg, maybe both, killed Asmodean.
Oh, it's been confirmed. Narg killed Asmodean. Brandon said so (http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/739/Big-Wheel-of-Time-Interview-Retrospective) in his blog so it must be real.
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and back to the original point, I have always taken it for granted that hoid was trying to reform adonalsium, however the frankenstein man explains how he was going to do it, if he takes all the shards and gives them to one person, eventually the shards will each imbue the part of adonalsium that they hold onto the new bearer, like with ruin and preservation, so eventually the new bearer will have all of adonalsiums attributes, so he wil essentially be the same person
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My theory is that Hoid is the cause of whatever split Adonalsium and the "element" he mentions is either what enabled the split, or the centerpiece of Adonalsium, which would enable it (him/her?) to rejoin.
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Hm, that just made me think. Perhaps this has been suggested, but what if Hoid is actually the villain, the cause for the shattering? obviously he wouldn't think of himself being evil, so it follows that some of his actions seem to be helping people. But I think it would be very sandersonian to play him out as a hero throughout all these series, and then at the end show his true colors.
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My theory is that Hoid is the cause of whatever split Adonalsium and the "element" he mentions is either what enabled the split, or the centerpiece of Adonalsium, which would enable it (him/her?) to rejoin.
Why would he split it just to rejoin it again?
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My theory is that Hoid is the cause of whatever split Adonalsium and the "element" he mentions is either what enabled the split, or the centerpiece of Adonalsium, which would enable it (him/her?) to rejoin.
Why would he split it just to rejoin it again?
Maybe he didn't mean to; it could have happened by accident. I don't necessarily buy this theory, but it could be confirmed by the epigraph of chapter 14: "Let me first assure you that the element is quite safe. I have found a good home for it. I protect its safety like I protect my own skin, you might say."
I think the fact that he compares it to skin might be an important indicator that the element has something to do with a body. This also might be evidence to suggest that Hoid is Adonalsium and he protects the element in a similar way to Ruin protecting the Atium (which was his body).
Please let me know if I got any of my references wrong.
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Hm, that just made me think. Perhaps this has been suggested, but what if Hoid is actually the villain, the cause for the shattering? obviously he wouldn't think of himself being evil, so it follows that some of his actions seem to be helping people. But I think it would be very sandersonian to play him out as a hero throughout all these series, and then at the end show his true colors.
I'm not even sure it's safe to say the splitting of Adonalsium was an evil act. Perhaps Hoid (or more likely, Adonalsium itself) is responsible for the split and saw the necessity of it. It's my belief that reconstructing Adonalsium will likely result in the destruction of all of the shard planets. Unmaking their work. So thank Rayse for splintering shards, making the reconstruction even more impossible.