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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: WrittenOnTheStars on June 07, 2010, 05:02:21 PM
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Ok ok ok. I'm sort of confused, but sort of not confused at what I've been reading through this site. It seems like there's this whole theme of Brandon's works being connected by one divine thread - that divine thread being Andolasium (I'm pretty sure that's not the correct spelling ... but hopefully it's close for you to figure out who I'm talking about) and his "Shards." Is this just speculation by the fans? Or is it true that Brandon Sanderson is going to turn into the awesome-est author in the world (well... he already is the most awesome author... but... more awesome then he is right now) by connecting everyone of his books by one divine cord?
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Yes and No. Let me explain.. .No, there is too much. Let me sum up:
Most of his books happen in a universe known as the 'cosmere' which contains three realms: intellectual, spiritual, and physical. Notable exceptions include The Alcatraz Series and possibly Scribbler, though that is unpublished so far.
Anyway, There are at lest two things which are included in every series: Hoid and Shards. Hoid is a character who has grabbed a shard and can now planet-hop. The shards were all at one point, pieces or powers of a divine being known as Adonalsium.
Known Shards include Ruin, Preservation, and Endowment as well as three unnamed shards.
It is assumed the shards are each guided by a human consciousness.
Humperdinck is marrying the princess in little over haff an hour. The gates are guarded by sixty men.
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Ohhhhh! That explains like SO much and makes the books SO much more cool!!! :D Thanks for explaining!
So, Elantris, Warbreaker, and Mistborn are all set in the 'cosmere' along with the Stormlight Archive? That is so cool!!! Oh my gosh, so awesome.
And, who is Endowment? I don't remember that name...
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Endowment is one of the Shards in Elantris. It is suspected he is the power behind the Dor. He's actually not mentioned by name in book, but has been confirmed by Brandon Sanderson himself.
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Oh ok. Thank you so much for your help! :)
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Simone, that'll be $7.50.
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How about five jelly beans? I can pay that.
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Fine, but one of them has to be popcorn flavored.
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http://i48.tinypic.com/307qhe9.jpg <--- Payement good and done. :D
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Endowment is one of the Shards in Elantris. It is suspected he is the power behind the Dor. He's actually not mentioned by name in book, but has been confirmed by Brandon Sanderson himself.
No, Endowment is the single Shard on Warbreaker's world. It is currently unknown what their Shard names are on Elantris, but if you read carefully in Way of Kings, you can find out what their human names are.
All Shards have had their power taken up by a human, by the way, as evidenced by Ruin and Preservation's bodies falling from the sky.
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How is it that every time I think I've hit the peak of how excited I can be about Way of Kings and the Stormlight Archive, someone manages to give me some tidbit of information that pushes me further?
August 31st... you can't come soon enough!
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I see. I was wrong once. That's my Quota for today.
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*WARBREAKER SPOILER**
Endowment is the Voice that Lightsong remembers "giving him a chance. To Return." (Near the end, right before he gives up his life for The God King's tongue.
Edit- add spoiler tag
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Endowment is the Voice that Lightsong remembers "giving him a chance. To Return." (Near the end, right before he gives up his life for The God King's tongue.
Spoiler warning :P
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Was it ever confirmed that Hoid was grabbed a shard to do his planet hopping, or whatever he is doing? I thought that was just speculation.
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Someone asked Brandon if Hoid were a shard, and Brandon replied that while Hoid himself is not a shard, he is bonded to one. Whether he is bonded the same way Leras and Ati were bonded to Ruin and Preservation remains to be seen. Also, this shard may or may not be the source of his planet hopping skills. But really, given what little we know, can you think of anything else that could give him this skill, as well as some sort of immortality?
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" Brandon replied that while Hoid himself is not a shard, he is bonded to one" -- actually I recall public statements by Brandon that seem to deny this.
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And since when is hoid immortal?
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" Brandon replied that while Hoid himself is not a shard, he is bonded to one" -- actually I recall public statements by Brandon that seem to deny this.
That notion that Hoid is bound to a Shard comes Tage, and Brandon said that Tage doesn't know as much he thinks he does.
And since when is hoid immortal?
Brandon said Hoid was there when Adonalsium was Shattered. Also, it's been said that it takes a very long time for a person with a Shard (say, Ruin) is molded really well with its Purpose. I'd venture at least centuries, more likely millennia. For all practical purposes, he's immortal.
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" Brandon replied that while Hoid himself is not a shard, he is bonded to one" -- actually I recall public statements by Brandon that seem to deny this.
Fair enough. You would know better than I would, certainly.
And since when is hoid immortal?
Brandon said Hoid was there when Adonalsium was Shattered. Also, it's been said that it takes a very long time for a person with a Shard (say, Ruin) is molded really well with its Purpose. I'd venture at least centuries, more likely millennia. For all practical purposes, he's immortal.
And, well Brandon said in...an interview?...a QandA session?...(I'm not great about citing sources, apparently) that Mistborn happened first, with Warbreaker and Elantris some centuries after that. So, immortality after a fashion seems the only viable explanation. Or time travel.
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Elantris happened before Mistborn.
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Yes, Brandon said "Elantris already has a sequel. It's called Mistborn."
It's the Liar of Partinel that happens centuries or millennia earlier.
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Yes, Brandon said "Elantris already has a sequel. It's called Mistborn."
It's the Liar of Partinel that happens centuries or millennia earlier.
Ok ... now I'm thoroughly confused again... will any of this ever be explained to those of us who just read the books and aren't in the inner circle? 'cause I can wait for that explanation... but all this is confusing me again!
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There's clues around in the Shards of Adonalsium topic, the Hoid topic, and especially the Hero of Ages spoiler thread. There's not really too much insider knowledge to go around, and hopefully the people who ask Brandon questions at signings post the answers here ;)
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Yes, Brandon said "Elantris already has a sequel. It's called Mistborn."
It's the Liar of Partinel that happens centuries or millennia earlier.
Ok ... now I'm thoroughly confused again... will any of this ever be explained to those of us who just read the books and aren't in the inner circle? 'cause I can wait for that explanation... but all this is confusing me again!
Don't forget that you don't NEED this info for the books. I honestly doubt Brandon will ever come out and explain everything that is in the cosmere. Just me speculating though. I keep reading tid bits about how Way of Kings will really open up the doors to knowledge about the cosmere and shards and the such.
I consider the Cosmere info in book to be like video game and movie easter eggs. They're there, if you see them and KNOW what they are, then it's epic. If you don't know what they are then you are basically not seeing them at all and it doesn't effect you in the least.
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That's a very good way of looking at it.
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That's a very good way of looking at it.
Thank you. :D
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Hmm...yes, very good way. Guess I shouldn't mope. It just all sounds really cool! And somedays I'm just too lazy to go surfing the internet, following multiple threads. Haha. Time to become devoted to the Sandersonian religion I guess ;)
And, probably a lot will be revealed in WoK...why else would the weapons in it have the words "Shard" and everything high and mighty and divine in the cosmere be focused around "Shards"? Just two more months-ish! :D
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There are definately some great threads in here that start from the beginning, back before anybody KNEW anything, all speculation.
The only one off the top of my head is the Shard thread.
> http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=7006.0 <
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" Brandon replied that while Hoid himself is not a shard, he is bonded to one" -- actually I recall public statements by Brandon that seem to deny this.
Fair enough. You would know better than I would, certainly.
And since when is hoid immortal?
Brandon said Hoid was there when Adonalsium was Shattered. Also, it's been said that it takes a very long time for a person with a Shard (say, Ruin) is molded really well with its Purpose. I'd venture at least centuries, more likely millennia. For all practical purposes, he's immortal.
And, well Brandon said in...an interview?...a QandA session?...(I'm not great about citing sources, apparently) that Mistborn happened first, with Warbreaker and Elantris some centuries after that. So, immortality after a fashion seems the only viable explanation. Or time travel.
Time travel and immortality! Hoid is a Time Lord! Hahaha!!!
(google it)
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Google it? You do realize this forum is full of sf/fantasy geeks, don't you?
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I honestly doubt Brandon will ever come out and explain everything that is in the cosmere.
At a signing, I asked Brandon if there was going to be anything that would tie all of the books in the Cosmere together and he said that with as many books as he has planned (somewhere around 36 or so) a lot of information would be there, but that he did plan on something that would tie it all together. He didn't say whether it would be a book or what, tho.
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From Barnes and Noble Q&A:
Will I write his [Hoid's] scenes some day? Maybe. We’ll see. There may be short stories posted on my website.
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At a signing, I asked Brandon if there was going to be anything that would tie all of the books in the Cosmere together and he said that with as many books as he has planned (somewhere around 36 or so) a lot of information would be there, but that he did plan on something that would tie it all together. He didn't say whether it would be a book or what, tho.
Oh, good, this pleases me greatly :) Very greatly :D
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Google it? You do realize this forum is full of sf/fantasy geeks, don't you?
I'm always a tad paranoid that the references I make that about other fandoms will be lost on the members of the fandom I'm currently talking to. So it's good to know that I have fellow DW fans on this board! :D
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I honestly doubt Brandon will ever come out and explain everything that is in the cosmere.
At a signing, I asked Brandon if there was going to be anything that would tie all of the books in the Cosmere together and he said that with as many books as he has planned (somewhere around 36 or so) a lot of information would be there, but that he did plan on something that would tie it all together. He didn't say whether it would be a book or what, tho.
Well that slapped me in the face. Really tho? He would honestly write all this info that so many people have speculated about into a book or online cheat sheet or something? Seems kind of unfair to the people who have scraped through the pages and pieced it together. But in the end, it's not about the hardcore fans as much as it's about the mass of people who will read his books. ( that sounds like a insult in my head but I don't mean it to be )
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I think a book/something that explains it all is good for both hardcore and non-hardcore, though, because, the hardcore go through every book, piecing it together, and then they can double check their findings against what the author says is true compared to what they think - so, it's not just speculation, you can say "Yes! I was right" or "Darn, but that's really cool!" And then for some who don't wish to go through every book, who just enjoy finding out, can learn more from something that explains it all. I don't think he'll do something like a cheat sheet, though. It'll probably be a book that goes through all the other books or something -- not just a simple "This is what is" because that's kinda lame.
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I don't think he'll do something like a cheat sheet, though. It'll probably be a book that goes through all the other books or something -- not just a simple "This is what is" because that's kinda lame.
I wasn't really implying it would be a cheat sheet, I was implying it could be any number of things that I can't predict. :D
A cheat sheet would be pretty lame.
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Ah. Yeah. I hope it's like a book with a main character that delves into how all the other books connect to one another or something or other - probably the mysterious Hoid character.
Is Hoid a character in Elantris, Warbreaker, and Mistborn? *goes to investigate other forums*
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Is Hoid a character in Elantris, Warbreaker, and Mistborn? *goes to investigate other forums*
Yup. Hoid is one of the things connecting all the books. When he is described it's always very similar and mysterious. He's always helped somebody in the books. That's usually the give away.
Edit: Removed idiocy.
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He is mentioned by name in all the books except for Well of Ascension.
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He is mentioned by name in all the books except for Well of Ascension.
I've been mind farting lately too much. I'ma go back to lurking now. T__T
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He is mentioned by name in all the books except for Well of Ascension.
Is there reason he's not mentioned by name? Or was Brandon just not able to fit it in?
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He is mentioned by name in all the books except for Well of Ascension.
Is there reason he's not mentioned by name? Or was Brandon just not able to put fit it in?
Because Elend never bothers to ask his name. ;)
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Mighty inconsiderate of Elend.
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And because BS said that Hoid wouldn't have fitted with his persona. Although I am pretty sure there is a name of the leader of the Terrisman in the Alternate Ending.