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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Tasslehoof on June 03, 2010, 11:17:40 PM
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Okay, so I finished Hero of Ages today, and it was just as amazing as I hoped it would be. Every question I wanted to be answered, was answered. The only thing I really am not sure about, is at the very end, when Sazed sees Vin body land beside Elend, and then the other body which Sazed only described as "a man with red hair". This description just seems too specific for me, and I've searched these forums hoping to find an answer, but have not found one yet, so I started my own thread.
So, is there an official answer to my question? Or is there a widely believed speculation? I just feel that because Preservation had a "champion" of sorts in Vin, that perhaps Ruin also obtained a champion.. I vaguely remember in an earlier book a red-headed person being mentioned.. but it is such a vague memory, that I wouldn't even be able to tell which book it is from.
Any help would be appreciated :D
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Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.
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Thank you for the comment! I eagerly await the first installment in his new series :D
Speculation would be fun from others on the outside of the loop!
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Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way to make me even more freaking excited about WoK there Peter.
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Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way to make me even more freaking excited about WoK there Peter.
Thats what I was thinking.... August can't come soon enough :p
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Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.
I though it was Ati. ???
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Nah, that's Ruin. The red head is preservation. Also, the scene you're refering to where a red haired person appears before then is in HoA. I don't remember the exact situation of the scene, but it's in there.
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Nah, that's Ruin. The red head is preservation. Also, the scene you're refering to where a red haired person appears before then is in HoA. I don't remember the exact situation of the scene, but it's in there.
I thought it was in HoA also.. I'll have to go take a look because its going to bug me endlessly until I do. And I was under the impression that Vin represented Preservation at the end, and that the red headed guy represented Ruin.. Although, that brings us to the question of who's body was it that fell into the Ash when Elend was confronted by the fading Mist Spirit, it represented Preservation, but Brandon wouldn't have even mentioned it, or described it so thoroughly if the body itself wasn't important...
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That's the scene! The body that falls into the ash is the red haired guy, who is also Pres. Unless I'm getting my information completely wrong (which is possible since it's been -- what? two years since the book came out?)
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No, the red head is Ati. Short of stature, black hair and prominent nose is Leras.
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Well, thanks to google books, it appears that there isn't another instance where someone with red hair is mentioned... Even though I swear I read it before the very end.
Still, this almost makes it seem more important. Someone like this would definitely stand out, as there is no mention of a single other person possessing red hair in any of the three books. The closest I found was Beldre, who possesses auburn hair, but obviously it wasn't her, because she appears with Spook after Sazed fixes the world.
I guess I really will just have to wait for Way of Kings :(
EDIT: Dumb typos.
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The bodies of Ruin and Preservation were of people from a long time ago I think... and most likely from another world... most likely the way of kings world.
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Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.
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Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.
May have had a brain fart... May be meaningless...
Or maybe he DIDN'T have a brain fart and his comment ISN'T meaningless!
*Evil laughter*
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Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.
Arghhhhh.
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Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.
Oh, now that's evil. Even for you.
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Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.
Well, yeah, we already know Ati- I mean Ruin's name.
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Yeah, I knew the guy's name was Ati, but if Peter wasn't going to come out and say it, I didn't want to either. I thought he, with full knowledge of Ati's name, was saying that he would be in WoK. Oh well.
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Perhaps Ati and Leras were only the names of these people AFTER they were bound to the shards... maybe they have other names when they are mortal human beings.
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Perhaps Ati and Leras were only the names of these people AFTER they were bound to the shards... maybe they have other names when they are mortal human beings.
Yeah, thats kind of what I was wondering when I posed the original question... the human bodies that remain when Ati and Leras "die" are described too specifically. Why even have bodies for them at all if the bodies weren't important in some way.
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ARGH! I'm not sure whether to curse or bless you, Peter (The Unassimilable!).
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Is Way of Kings going to be tied into the Mistborn series?
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Ish. There's a giant cosmology behind the large novels. Each world has at least one Shard (the thing that Preservation and ruin were, and what Sazed became). There's also a character named Hoid who jumps around from world to world (he's appeared in every book so far). I assume, from the prelude, that Adonalsium, (what the shards came from), shatters sometime during the Stormlight Archives.
Brandon says that he will, at sometime, write short stories about Hoid. He might decide to have characters meet from different worlds.
But don't expect Spook to suddenly appear in the middle of a fight in Way of Kings. Although, we may meet Ruin and Preservation (their names are Ati and Leras) before they become shards.
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You should not assume that from the Prelude.
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You should not assume that from the Prelude.
I still assume it, but no evidence from the prelude supports my assumption.
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Ish. There's a giant cosmology behind the large novels. Each world has at least one Shard (the thing that Preservation and ruin were, and what Sazed became). There's also a character named Hoid who jumps around from world to world (he's appeared in every book so far). I assume, from the prelude, that Adonalsium, (what the shards came from), shatters sometime during the Stormlight Archives.
Brandon says that he will, at sometime, write short stories about Hoid. He might decide to have characters meet from different worlds.
But don't expect Spook to suddenly appear in the middle of a fight in Way of Kings. Although, we may meet Ruin and Preservation (their names are Ati and Leras) before they become shards.
Emphasis mine.
There's really nothing that suggests that, in fact there's very little magic in the preview chapters apart from that one viewpoint, which seems to have nothing to do with the kind of large-scale magic we've come to associate with the Shards thanks to Mistborn.
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I thought I had heard from either a blog post or this forum somewhere that The Stormlight Archive is somewhere around the middle of the larger story Brandon has created.
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And Adonalsium shatters near the beginning of the larger story.
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And Adonalsium shatters near the beginning of the larger story.
OOoo!! so, he already shattered.
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And Adonalsium shatters near the beginning of the larger story.
OOoo!! so, he already shattered.
Yep, hence Ruin and Preservation and Endowment and everyone else we've seen so far and don't have names for as of yet, haha.
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans. I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.
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Now so far I've been a mistborn guy only. It sounds like a lot of Brandon's books take place in the same world, or universe. So I oughta read them over again. Now Hoid has appeared in a lot of books, who was he in the Mistborn trilogy? I'm having trouble remembering.
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In Final Empire, Hoid was the fake-blind beggar informant that Kelsier used once.
In Well of Ascension, he was the unnamed guy leading the group of Terris people that Elend meets.
In Hero of Ages, he's the informant that Vin gets spooked about and doesn't meet.
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Can Hoid change his appearance. More than just disguises I mean. I know he grew a white beard for warbreaker, but that's different. In my head, it's very hard for just anyone to pretend to be a Terrisman and vice versa. They don't look the same in my head. So do they actually look more similar than I thought? Or can Hoid also shape shift?
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We know so little about him it's hard to tell, isn't it? I would ask "What do we actually know?" but I believe there is at least one thread already devoted to that, just for Hoid, and another for Adonalsium/The Shards.
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Can Hoid change his appearance. More than just disguises I mean. I know he grew a white beard for warbreaker, but that's different. In my head, it's very hard for just anyone to pretend to be a Terrisman and vice versa. They don't look the same in my head. So do they actually look more similar than I thought? Or can Hoid also shape shift?
I don't think he can shape shift. I think that he was able to pose as a Terrisman because he had the right clothes. Remember that TLR was able to pass as a nobleman, and not as a Terrisman.
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That's right. I suppose the main physical difference is the height and strange proportions , which can only be applied to the Terrismen Eunuchs. The Lord Ruler however is a Terrisman and not a eunuch, so he might appear normal.
i guess the question is, is Hoid a Steward?
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I am dissappointed that Brandon won't tell us why preservation and ruin dropped a corpse when they died. He said he could not in his chapter by chapter notes on his website. I take that to mean he will give it away (in years to come) in his next mistborn series.
I hope it is not one of those "we find out in the last chapter of the last book" thing. I have a hunch why they drop bodies, but I can't get into Brandon's head since he can pick anything he wants.
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Presumably, those are the bodies of Ati and Leras from before they bonded with the shards. Just like Vin, who apparently had no body when bonded with Preservation, had her body restored and dropped onto the battlefield.
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Agree with Link. I think the only real mystery about the bodies is who they are, not why they dropped.
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I agree. I meant to say who the bodies were.
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Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans. I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.
That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.
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Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans. I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.
That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.
Even if it did, wouldn't the story have a chronology from the perspective of Hoid, the Shards, and any other forces involved?
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Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans. I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.
That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.
Even if it did, wouldn't the story have a chronology from the perspective of Hoid, the Shards, and any other forces involved?
Yes, but those chronologies might have the same things happening in different orders. If Hoid is getting around FTL and relativity holds, then time travel gets thrown in the mix as well. Time gets funky on Galactic scales, and Vin could have been in an entirely different galaxy than Lightsong for all we know.
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I sure hope we don't have to wait that long... but we probably will :(
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Actually, I just thought of something... I'm not sure if anyone else has read the core Dragonlance novels, but Hoid reminds me of Fizbain in those. Fizbain is, as others may know, Paladine, a God, in disguise. What if Hoid is smiliar, a shard in "disguise" or something like that... I know it sounds a little out there, but every time I think of Hoid, I immediately think of Fizbain.
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Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans. I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.
That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.
Even if it did, wouldn't the story have a chronology from the perspective of Hoid, the Shards, and any other forces involved?
Yes, but those chronologies might have the same things happening in different orders. If Hoid is getting around FTL and relativity holds, then time travel gets thrown in the mix as well. Time gets funky on Galactic scales, and Vin could have been in an entirely different galaxy than Lightsong for all we know.
Agreed, but there is so much we don't know that I don't think we can come to that conclusion yet. For one, we don't know what Hoid's mechanism for traveling is. I've read some decent theories about him jumping between the 3 Realms and pulling himself out at different locations. I tend to feel that Relativity in the sense you are implying would break down under such circumstances.
And again, it would all depend on your reference frame. I've gotten the feel so far that Hoid isn't jumping through time, or, at least, he's not jumping backwards at any point thus far. If I were less lazy, Id' find annotations and other forum topics to cite and such.
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wait, I've forgotten, do we know for a fact that its always the same Hoid?
Maybe it was just a really popular baby name...30-60 years before every book Brandon writes...
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wait, I've forgotten, do we know for a fact that its always the same Hoid?
Maybe it was just a really popular baby name...30-60 years before every book Brandon writes...
I believe in a Dragonsteel discussion here on the board, we are led to believe that there are at least 2 Hoids. Or some awesome time-breaking things going on. I haven't actually read Dragonsteel, so I wouldn't know if that was just an odd assumption, or if that's what the situation is.
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And Adonalsium shatters near the beginning of the larger story.
OOoo!! so, he already shattered.
Yep, hence Ruin and Preservation and Endowment and everyone else we've seen so far and don't have names for as of yet, haha.
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans. I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.
I thought we already had a timeline somewhere...I just didn't bother to memorize it, other than that Stormlight Archives is the beginning of anything and everything......I think ???
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And Adonalsium shatters near the beginning of the larger story.
OOoo!! so, he already shattered.
Yep, hence Ruin and Preservation and Endowment and everyone else we've seen so far and don't have names for as of yet, haha.
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans. I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.
I thought we already had a timeline somewhere...I just didn't bother to memorize it, other than that Stormlight Archives is the beginning of anything and everything......I think ???
I'm pretty sure the whole, "The Stormlight Archive comes first" idea came about because of something Peter said about Ati and Leras being in it. He later said that this was a mistake, but people didn't seem to notice.
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I thought I had heard from either a blog post or this forum somewhere that The Stormlight Archive is somewhere around the middle of the larger story Brandon has created.
And then...
And Adonalsium shatters near the beginning of the larger story.
I hate quoting myself, but it was necessary for context this time. I think that dismisses the theory about this being the beginning of anything, short of a new series.
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Does anyone know if Brandon's wheel of time contributions play into this overarching canon? Or is it just Meestbwarn, Elantris, Warbreaker...The Stormlight Archive...
is Alcatraz part of this too?
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Wheel of Time is a separate universe entirely. It is not a part of the cosmere and never was intended to be.
Since Alcatraz is based on Earth, it is not part of that cosmology either.
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I said Ati's name appears in it. But that wasn't very interesting because you already know Ati's name, since it's Ati.
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That's not true, I'm sure the reference to Ati is quite fascinating :P
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weeeeell my local bookstore is heathen and terrible for only having one copy of one Brandon book on its shelves...namely the same one I bought from them a week ago...
So while I'm on my quest to find a copy of Elantris to snap up, I picked up the 1st WoT book, just to work myself up to the last one(s). Which is, of course, the only important one(s). Amirite?!
but soon I will understand the whole cosmology! I promise!I'm making it my goal in life or something.
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I swear someone once said that WoK was mixed with Liar...
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Dragonsteel is mixed with Liar. Brandon is writing WoK INSTEAD of Liar, which he was originally planning on, but that's about the only connection.
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Nonono. The Shattered Plains were taken from Dragonsteel and used in WoK. Nothing that I've read in Liar seemed remotely similar to what is in WoK.
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That's not true, I'm sure the reference to Ati is quite fascinating :P
Haha, don't count your chickens. It could just be a throwaway reference. :)
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Maybe. But maybe it's a really awesome throwaway reference :P
I swear someone once said that WoK was mixed with Liar...
Dragonsteel is mixed with Liar. Brandon is writing WoK INSTEAD of Liar, which he was originally planning on, but that's about the only connection.
Nonono. The Shattered Plains were taken from Dragonsteel and used in WoK. Nothing that I've read in Liar seemed remotely similar to what is in WoK.
The worlds of Roshar and Dragonsteel are independent, but Brandon just stole a concept from one of his books because it worked better in this novel.
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The worlds of Roshar and Dragonsteel are independent, but Brandon just stole a concept from one of his books because it worked better in this novel.
Classic Brandon cannibalism.
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The worlds of Roshar and Dragonsteel are independent, but Brandon just stole a concept from one of his books because it worked better in this novel.
Classic Brandon cannibalism.
Indeed, and we love him for it.
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So far, I have yet to see an idea that he has done this with and told us about that I didn't like. I bet I'd enjoy it even more if I had read the source stories that he is cannibalizing.
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So far, I have yet to see an idea that he has done this with and told us about that I didn't like. I bet I'd enjoy it even more if I had read the source stories that he is cannibalizing.
I'm not so sure about that. . . I actually think knowing how they were in Dragonsteel made them . . . . diminished(?) I'm not sure of the word I should use. But I think if I hadn't read Dragonsteel they would have been better in some way.
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I'm the type that enjoys seeing the progression of ideas. That said, I think seeing their final form first is what would make seeing the earlier versions work for me.
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Only found about the idea of the worlds of the different novels being linked a couple of days ago. Just to see if I can summarise correctly:
Addonalasium (sp) shattered long ago, different worlds have different shards from it.
Mistborn world (scaladriel sp) has two of them, ruin and preservation, somehow being controlled by Ati and Laras. (who originated from a different world, they created the other life forms of scaladriel assumably basing them on things from wherether they'd come from)
Warbreaker world has one, Endowment?
Elantris world has some, one, two? not sure
Hoid travels between the worlds.
This isn't very much total....
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Only found about the idea of the worlds of the different novels being linked a couple of days ago. Just to see if I can summarise correctly:
Addonalasium (sp) shattered long ago, different worlds have different shards from it.
Mistborn world (scaladriel sp) has two of them, ruin and preservation, somehow being controlled by Ati and Laras. (who originated from a different world, they created the other life forms of scaladriel assumably basing them on things from wherether they'd come from)
Warbreaker world has one, Endowment?
Elantris world has some, one, two? not sure
Hoid travels between the worlds.
This isn't very much total....
The summary looks about right, and you're right about it not being much!
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And yet that 'not much' has provided many of us fans endless hours of epic speculation.
That proves that our man Brandon is a genius.
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what I'm wondering is where I find all the sources for this speculation. I haven't seen very many references to Shards or Addonalsium (sp?!??!?!) in Brandon's work so far...
then again I'm only 4 books in...what am I missing?
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5 words here and there, and a few comments Brandon has made.
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Wow...In that case I'm going to have to start paying a lot more attention.
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what I'm wondering is where I find all the sources for this speculation. I haven't seen very many references to Shards or Addonalsium (sp?!??!?!) in Brandon's work so far...
then again I'm only 4 books in...what am I missing?
Adolnasium is only mentioned by name ONCE in all of Brandon's published works. And it's misspelled (At least it is in the copy I have, they may have fixed it for later printings?). It's in one of the Mistborn books.
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Hoid's backstory is explained in most (published) detail in Warbreaker, after he info-dumped for Siri.
Which isn't saying much. It's about two sentences tops, but still more than we had before when he just did random character cameos, one of which never actually happened (Vin's visit).
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Ahhh that info-dump. Never has dense exposition been delivered with such flair.
Also colors. pretty...
So back in that other thread that Mister Miyagbi started, there's a list of...what, 50 books? 25 of which actually exist?
of which 5 have been published?
it seems like this cosmology is a little hard to get at (let alone speculate on) given that...
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Only the published ones count as canon. And Brandon has had 9 books published and will have 3 more by the end of the year, but only 6 of those will be Cosmere books.
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I guess I wasn't counting wheel of time 'n' Alcatraz. As you said, 5 so far in the Cosmere (which is an Awesome word, by the way), with a sixth on the way. Maybe I need to get my hands on Elantris and then...meditate for a day or so.
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I'd like to add, though, that Hoid's little cameo in Warbreaker does actually tell us more about him than just the couple of sentences he gives about himself. He seems extremely well-informed about the history of the world he is in. I know he says he's just telling stories, and he might well be, but at some point he's clearly picked up the equivalent of a classical education in [Warbreaker World]. This means either that he has a way of getting information very quickly, or he has been living there for some time before the events of the story. Possibly, given some of the time frames involved, a very long time.
By the same token, in all other worlds where he shows up, he's established---either he can hide his entrances and exits magically (changing memories? something more subtle?), or he's there for a very long time. And he does seem to have a lot of time.
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And thus, the mystery only manages to deepen.
I think it would only be fair to point out that we have taken a thread about two specific Shards and turned it into a tangential discussion on Hoid, the Cosmere, and Adonalsium. Not that I'm complaining, haha, but purists might start throwing things.
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Dudemeister, look where you are. Have you seen a purist for miles?
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Dudemeister, look where you are. Have you seen a purist for miles?
Not exactly, but I fear them.
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Im pretty new to the forum here and i've only read the Mistborn triology, but is it connected to any other series he's written? Alcatraz, WOK, etc?
If they are connected does anyone know the "story timeline?"
Thanks
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It's linked to Elantris, Warbreaker, and Way of Kings (as well other unpublished novels). Alcatraz is not a part of the cosmere. As a guideline for the moment, if it's Brandon's adult fantasy, it's in the cosmere.
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We know three other things about Hoid
1. He is a leader. A year after being an informant to Kelsier, he goes to Terris (probably looking for the Well of Ascention), but when the Inquisitors come and take out the Keepers, he takes the Terrisman and hightales it to Luthadel.
He also was the leader of the beggars in Elantris that Sarene talks to to smuggle a weapon shipment in. Or maybe he isn't the leader. Maybe he just transports them in.
2. He smokes. Kelsier catches him smoking before he goes to him to ask for information. This may simply be a ruse for Kelsier's sake, but maybe not.
3. He shakes (occasionally) Elend notices the leader of the Terris refugees because he is shaking like crazy. This may be from the cold, or maybe even from so much built up energy in the Spiritual Realm. Hoid is probably tied very closely to the other Realms, so he could probably tell that the Well was full.
Of course, this is all speculation. But then, isn't everything about Hoid speculation?
One quick thing- is Cosmere capitalized or not? I know that Chaos doesn't capitalize it, but I see that Peter does. Cosmere seems to be more important than cosmere.
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He is a leader. A year after being an informant to Kelsier, he goes to Terris (probably looking for the Well of Ascention), but when the Inquisitors come and take out the Keepers, he takes the Terrisman and hightales it to Luthadel.
I totally don't remember reading this, does it specifically say that Hoid was the leader? Its late, and I sort of forget at this point, but now I'm curious :P
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I can't remember if it should be capped or not. Find out soon!
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It's not capitalized in Way of Kings, so that's why I keep it not capitalized (the same reason atium, metals, and verbs like "charge" I don't capitalize) but unless that specific typographical choice has changed recently...
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It's linked to Elantris, Warbreaker, and Way of Kings (as well other unpublished novels). Alcatraz is not a part of the cosmere. As a guideline for the moment, if it's Brandon's adult fantasy, it's in the cosmere.
Thanks, but do we know yet what comes first? For instance is Elantris supposed to happen before the Mistborn series? Or does it not matter?
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I'll tell you some certainties in a 13 days, and add a spoiler tag. I'll probably yell some speculation at you, too.
Until then, I can't say what I know.
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Opened this thread and immediately decided I needed to read WoK again! :D
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Brandon said something like "Elantris does have a sequel. It's called Mistborn." So that should answer your chronology question.
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The only part of WoK I've read is the Prologue because it was in the back of Warbreaker.. I hate reading things in parts, so I've been holding out until the entire book is released :p
I guess there is no specific chronology for Warbreaker? I always imagined that it was the most "futuristic" of the 3 societies, but I'm not really sure why.
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I guess there is no specific chronology for Warbreaker? I always imagined that it was the most "futuristic" of the 3 societies, but I'm not really sure why.
I'm pretty sure that as far as science goes, that would be Mistborn. The magic in Warbreaker is, however, used in more everyday applications than in Mistborn, where the magic is almost always used in warfare.
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I guess there is no specific chronology for Warbreaker? I always imagined that it was the most "futuristic" of the 3 societies, but I'm not really sure why.
I'm pretty sure that as far as science goes, that would be Mistborn. The magic in Warbreaker is, however, used in more everyday applications than in Mistborn, where the magic is almost always used in warfare.
I don't know, I was just thinking that the societies themselves in Warbreaker seemed more advanced, again I have no real reason or idea why... Thats just how I felt haha. It does make sense the way you said it though.
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Warbreaker simply felt progressive because its environment had things like restaurants, which give a feel of modernity.
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Chaos, while I disagree with you, the way you say things somehow makes whatever you say seem like the only thing that makes sense. Maybe that's the slave protocols you installed back when you made me your puppet talking though.
Restaurants have been around quite a while. Certainly longer than firearms, which were invented but suppressed by TLR. Then again, the progression for different societies is often radically different. Maybe in a world where some people can make high speed projectiles out of coins, creating a similar ability for the normals would take precedence over fine dining establishments. The commoners in Mistborn certainly had public dining, but that was more of a mess hall than a restaurant.
I don't know, I was just thinking that the societies themselves in Warbreaker seemed more advanced, again I have no real reason or idea why... Thats just how I felt haha. It does make sense the way you said it though.
You may have been noticing the nods Brandon was giving to Victorian-era England (esp. Oscar Wilde). I also remember some feminism, which is a rather recent development in our world. The societies Brandon creates may be purposely (I hope) anachronistic to remind us that the worlds we (Hoid ;)) are visiting are very different from the one we live in. I may be wrong! I'm improvising!
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What, don't you remember my tyrannical tendencies :P
Ahem.
I don't know, it made sense to me. You're welcome to disagree, haha.
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Not sure if this is common knowledge or not, but
Lerasium (body of Preservation) =Leras (God's name) + ium (suffix implying metal)
Same thing for Atium (body of Ruin, or Ati). It also confirms their names.