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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Plasman on July 09, 2009, 09:28:00 PM
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Alright, I am talking about the world on which the Mistborn series takes place. Brandon has mentioned that in the course of the story we only get to see the North Pole area of the planet and that he purposefully didn't mention what was happening on the other side, the South. Now Brandon has said while answering questions on twitter that a sequel to Elantris has already been written: Mistborn. Now, it is most likely that this is simply a reference to the fact that all of Brandon's books are in the same universe, but I started wondering if it means Elantris and Mistborn take place in the same WORLD. Does Elantris take place on Scadriel? It would be nice if someone took this question to Brandon on one of these forum thingies he's doing.
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I think you misunderstood his twitter answers. He annouced that a sequel to Elantris is one of his next projects, not that it has anything to do with Mistborn (other than the standard Brandonverse theorycrafting you can find in other threads here).
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No, Brandon did say "But the secret answer is this: People ask for an Elantris sequel. There is one. It is called Mistborn."
This doesn't mean they happen in the same world, just the same universe.
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yeah, thats what i was refering to Ookla. and like i said, it is most likely that this is just a reference to them being in the same universe, but i don't know. as far as i know we don't know the name of the elantris planet. although if Tage is under the impression that i'm way off, then i probably am.
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Brandon has also referenced that the people on the other side of Scadriel would have the seeds of the Three Metallic Arts, and though mistings would be about as rare as Mistborns normally are -No Lerasium to help spread the ability- they would still show up.
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Spoilers
I remember thinking the same thing Plasman, I had thought that when the world was turned by Vin, or TLR, the proscimity to the sun created the crack in the Elantris world, but was told that the two are one seperate worlds. Mistborn taking place on Scadriel, Elantris taking place on Sycla. Although, I still want to believe that they're on the same planet, it would just be so perfect. The one causing the other, cause and effect. I mean, why would the two different parts give the planet the same name. If the Elantrian world doesn't know about the Mistborn world, and vice versa, they wouldn't give the planet the same name, so each world would have a different name. BUT of course i'm probably wrong. Anyways, Elantris is on Sycla.
Thanks little wilson, got a bit confused there. Sycla should be it, that's what the book implies.
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Opelon is just the name of the continent that Elantris is on. Not the planet.
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I had taken that as just him suggesting his other books, rather then just waiting for the sequel. *shrug*
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I took it similarly, except that I figured he was talking about the order of the books in the 36-book arc. Mistborn follows Elantris....I wonder where that would put the Elantris sequel.
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Sycla is the Fjordell name for Opelon. Opelon is the Arelish name for Sycla. Both mean the continent.
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so there is a chance (however small) that i could be right??
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I doubt it. It seems like most of his books that aren't "direct" sequels are on different planets. ie Warbreaker, Mistborn, Kings, etc....Elantris and the sequel would be on the same planet, but not Elantris and Mistborn. The 36-book arc is in reference to the Brandon-verse (or the Hoid-verse....either one). I think. Is that right, Ook?
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Yes.
I'm not sure what term Brandon uses for it, but they're the worlds of the Shards of Adonalsium. Hoid is visiting all the worlds but he's not their creator or anything like that. Though Brandon did tell me a bit about him today (which I must not share).
He did tell me there is a trace of Hoid in one of the Deleted Scenes posted on the website (something that I'm sure no one has noticed)... He'll probably post it on the B&N chat soon but until then you can go scouring for it.
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By "trace" are you saying appears (but is not named), or the affects of something he does are in the scene?
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I shall now scour the deleted scenes for said "trace"
Which book's deleted scenes?
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I'm also scouring. You take Mistborn 1. I'm reading Mistborn 2 right now....whoever finishes first should take Elantris. Unless someone else wants to helps us out?
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He said it was a deleted scene, so no need to check the annotations. And since he said no one has noticed, I'm sure it's a new one, so check the most recent ones -- say the last five?
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Just check the Deleted Scenes in the Library.
http://brandonsanderson.com/library/
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Those were what I was checking. I was reading the alternate ending for WoA. Didn't find anything, though...I'm not sure which one to turn to now. Elantris or Mistborn? Hmm.
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You have to look very closely. It's quite literally a trace.
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i'm reading through the mistborn ones right now. so far i've only found one possibility. there is a random nobleman who starts talking to Vin at one point and she thinks he's trying to hit on her and she scares him away. still looking...
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will you confirm it if we actually do find it Ook?
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Quite literally a trace?....Meaning that the affects of something he did are being seen?...I'm so confused.
The only thing I really noticed in the alternate ending was the torn pages (which are also in the actual ending). The edge flutters back to Sazed and he sees the Mist figure standing in the room (I was hoping, and then the figure turned up and I'm like, "blast.")....everything else was either the noblemen arguing--like Cett and Penrod--or Koloss...Or Terrismen....Or just Vin and Elend.
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Quite literally a trace?....Meaning that the affects of something he did are being seen?
Yes, but even more literal than that.
If you find it I'll confirm it.
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Wait. I just remembered something. There was a boot print near the Well of Ascension....Is that Hoid's boot-print?
Vin knelt, feeling where it gestured. There, in the frost, she thought she made out the distinct impression of a footprint. But that was impossible. Did the Spirit make it? She wondered. But that was the print of a boot.
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You found it.
Yes.
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Really? Yay! I'm happy now!
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It's really obscure, isn't it? Would anyone have made the connection if that had made it into the published book?
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I think I would've just assumed it was TLR's print. That's what I had initially thought when I read it. Because it was next to the broken pottery--which they had said TLR had probably broken, but now I'm thinking Hoid broke it.
So does this mean that Hoid broke the pottery in the actual version? Somehow he got into the cavern and broke the pottery, exposing the larasium?...Maybe THAT'S why Brandon keeps saying Hoid is in WoA. Because a trace of him is...
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I'm personally guessing that the magic of each world is somehow related to the shards that created it. Thus the powers of Ruin and Preservation are metallic, and so their creations can use metal to power their magic. Presumably the shard that created Elantris uses or represents symbols (and perhaps created the Dor), and so her/his/its creations can access power through symbols. Similarly, I would not be at all surprised if Austre's powers relate to colors, and thus all its creations can access power by absorbing color.
Thus Elantris and Mistborn are probably not the same world, ignoring all the other difficulties with the idea.
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but remember something else that Brandon said. that Ruin and Preservation are the only two shards on scadriel at this time. Shards can either move or be moved somehow. is it not possible that elantris is scadriel in the distant past and the shards have since been switched around somehow?
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on the spoilers thread didn't he say they may meet because of space travel...if so than the whole theory is blasted to bits
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The biggest problem with that is Ruin and Preservation created the world. All things had a balance of Ruin and Preservation in them except for humans, which had more Preservation- which slowly weakened him until Ruin had more power. They have been there from the beginning of Scadriel.
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All this talk of Hoid is rather confusing . . . is there some place I may find out who this Hoid character is??
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If Scandriel had been created by a different shard, I doubt the inhabitants could have accessed Ruin or Preservation's power.
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Shaggy--Hoid (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=5475.0)
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Shaggy = The source of all Oneriness. ;P
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your argument brings up an interesting point, bookworm. According to Scadriel's mythology Ruin and Preservation created this world and it's people. But what of Leras and Ati? where did they come from? they are simply humans bound to these shards. so were there people on Scadriel before they became Ruin and Preservation? or were the shards moved to scadriel from some other place where ati and leras are from?
someone on here has already raised the question as to whether there is sone kind of connection between Ati in Mistborn and there being an Ati Aon. maybe Ati came to scadriel from the elantris world after gaining the shard somehow, and thats the connection. or maybe not. i don't know. odds are that mistborn and elantris are on different planets, i'm just raising questions.
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I don't think it was just Mythology about them creating the world, but you do have some interesting questions. It seems to me like they don't act as if they were normal people before they held their shards, as Preservation was unable to do the destructive act that got rid of Ruin and had to get Vin to do that. It could be that holding the shards for long changed them though.
The bit about Ati and Aon Ati was scrapped though, as Ookla mentioned that Atium used to be Atrium but was changed for obvious reasons.
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your argument brings up an interesting point, bookworm. According to Scadriel's mythology Ruin and Preservation created this world and it's people. But what of Leras and Ati? where did they come from? they are simply humans bound to these shards. so were there people on Scadriel before they became Ruin and Preservation? or were the shards moved to scadriel from some other place where ati and leras are from?
Well, Ruin explicitly claimed to have been around when humans were created; in fact, the creation of humans is what led to Preservation's eventual demise. When they created humans, they were almost certainly working from other humans they had seen in the universe; Ruin also mentioned that they had seen humans elsewhere, and copied them to put them on Scandriel. That's all that I think is actually canon on the subject.
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Thought I'd point out that "Scadrial" appears to be the correct spelling, not "Scadriel".
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Not that it really matters. We all knew what they were talking about. If they'd spelled it Skoldreeul I might have raised the issue. 1 letter I can live with.
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Hey didnt Brandon say something on his website about writing at least one more triloy about Scadrial and it takes place in the future or something... and that there wouldn't be any mistborn...So maybe (if he does plan on doing this mind you) this trilogy will take place in the southern continent seeing as how the first was in the north...idk but thats wat i think
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There won't be any Mistborn, because the power will be so diluted. But there'll still be Allomancy. A lot of Mistings. And a lot more of an urban feel.
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I believe that he said Mistborn will just be extremely rare, not that there won't be any of them at all. Anyway, the most recent info he released was that the main characters would be tracking down a serial killer who is a Mistborn.
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Awesome so is this after WoK series or during
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We don't know the relative chronology. Brandon said in the B&N chat that Mistborn is in a way a sequel to Elantris, so that might mean it happens after Elantris. We also know that The Liar of Partinel happens a few thousand years before Elantris/Mistborn. We don't know whether WoK happens after or before Mistborn or its sequels.
Or if you were saying whether the next Mistborn series would be published after WoK or during it—probably after. Even if he does start writing it during WoK it wouldn't be until toward the end and I'm guessing it would be at the earliest 2018, but 2021 or later seems more likely.
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Oh, that's right. I remember that....Mistborn serial killer. I hope we get into their head...I'd like to know the mind of a mistborn serial killer in a world with guns, cars, and skyscrapers. Sounds like fun.
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Aren't mistborn extremely rare already...so are you saying they are just more so and if you are then how rare are they...approximately 1000..100...3..1
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Aren't mistborn extremely rare already...so are you saying they are just more so and if you are then how rare are they...approximately 1000..100...3..1
Probably one in an entire generation. In the Final Empire, there were less than twenty (more like less than ten) at one time, but in later times, you'd be lucky if you found one every twenty years. If that.
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But the planet would be more heavily populated as well so i could see there being several hundred but that still makes up sliver of a fraction of a percent
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Maybe, but the more Allomantic genes are spread out, the more the power would fracture.
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but who says the noble class is destroyed? so long that it existt the weakening of the blood is a much slower process
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The reason that the Mistborn serial killer is so dangerous is that there really aren't Mistborn anymore. Spook was just made into a weak one and most of the other allomancers had just died fighting Kolos. There is still enough blood to keep allomancy going, but Brandon said that mistborns almost become extinct, as do full ferucimists.
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At least until Sazed decides to give someone the power again. Also, IIRC, Brandon said Marsh will be in the next series, and he will most likely be just as powerful as before.
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The question still stands because "almost extinct" is rather vague and on a planet of a billion or more people as there must be after the several century gap 1000 people is still a very small group...i doubt there is that many but we have little information as of yet