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Title: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on February 28, 2009, 07:06:27 AM
Anyone watching this?

I really, really like it. This is one good show—and Joss Whedon has learned his lesson. He's not fooling around with filler episodes—which with this show he could have easily done—but has gotten right to the meat. He knows he may only have a few shows to really make something special, and that's exactly what he's done.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on February 28, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
I've watched the first two episodes on hulu (I guess there's a new one now?).  I wasn't immediately captivated but interested enough to stick with it for a bit and see where it goes. 
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Sigyn on March 02, 2009, 07:24:01 PM
I saw the first and third episodes (the second got preempted by Larry Miller coverage), and I really like it. It isn't as funny as Whedon's other shows, but that isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 03, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
the first 2 episodes were fine (not amazing, but good). I had problems with the 3rd one. lots of holes. it was handled like a filler episode, but it had important info in it that wasn't executed well.

the show is supposed to turn into "crazy awesome show" by episode 6.

what i do like is the uncomfortable morality established. what i dont like is that they haven't firmly established the FBI agent's motivations. kinda makes it hard to root for him - and i really want to (not to mention, what kind of idiot FBI goes into an abandoned building mentioned by the mob by himself?).

I like where the series can go, but the trail is full of landmines. either it is going to blow up, or avoid them nicely.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on March 03, 2009, 08:54:12 PM
What holes did you find in the 3rd episode? It was my favorite so far...I dunno, the others didn't break so much ground for me as this one did (ep 2 was good but...The Most Dangerous Game has been done so many times already). (Though it's true that Life on Mars and Chuck both already had "protect the rock star who's getting death threats" episodes in 2009...something must be in the water.) I loved the little touches that you had to be paying attention or you wouldn't see, like the head shake at the end.

The FBI agent who goes into an abandoned mob building by himself does so because everyone else at the FBI thinks he's a laughingstock. However, he was dumb not to be wearing a vest.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 03, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
the major hole was that the other Active was there for if things got out of hand. they tried to explain it by saying "oh, she took attention off the singer." that was a terribad explanation for why Sierra didn't kick his head in earlier. she was there as back-up, and yet she did absolutely nothing. it was a poor way for them to get across the "friend" arc they have going on. they should be checking her wiring to see why she was so awful.

the nod at the end was fine, and it sets the show going in the right direction. however the story mechanism used to get there was clumsy at best.

i did enjoy that the mob contact the FBI guy has was an active. not totally surprising, but carried out well. 
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on March 03, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
Okay, you're right. That's a problem. I don't know why she didn't do a thing except let herself get kidnapped. Maybe there was some kind of trigger but it was set to go off later. Dunno.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 04, 2009, 05:50:20 PM
exactly. I mean, it's pretty obvious the intention of the whole event - show Echo's adaptability, to show that something is going very wrong with the memory wipes, and to show that Echo has a connection to her "friend." it was just clumsily handled. All that said, i REALLY like the potential of the series. I'm excited for Friday. over the next few episodes is where things are supposed to show why the series will be great.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 04, 2009, 06:21:07 PM
Thus far I've really liked the show; I'm not just watching it because I hope it gets good, I think it's already more interesting than almost anything else on TV at the moment. I think the main problem people are having with it is that there is no consistent main character--but the head shake at the end was a very welcome way to start solving that problem.

My favorite character, for some reason, is the girl who lives across the hall from Helo. Probably because she's the only normal person in the show.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Sigyn on March 04, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
I really enjoyed the third episode. Yes, some things happened because the plot required it, but it was still so enjoyable. I find this show really engaging, and I'm not sure why it seems like so many people don't think it's good. I'm not sure what they were expecting.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Tink on March 07, 2009, 05:11:26 AM
I like the show so far, but I have to say I expected it to be funny like Buffy. The ONLY reason I started watching it was because I saw in an ad that Joss Whedon was writing it. The previews for it held no interest for me otherwise. It's okay that it's not funny, but I can't think of one show I'm watching right now (outside of a couple sitcoms) that are funny like that. I miss that (dramedies).
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on March 07, 2009, 07:02:57 AM
Chuck might be considered a dramedy... I didn't watch Buffy though so don't know if it would compare in your view.

Yeah. The Dollhouse previews emphasized sexiness. That's not the point of the show at all.

Tonight's episode was cool but there wasn't any build from the previous one with the head shake at the end.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on March 07, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
Did you know Eliza Dushku was (or used to be) LDS?
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on March 08, 2009, 12:00:04 AM
No, but there are a lot of people like that. Katherine Heigl, Jewel, etc.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Miyabi on March 16, 2009, 06:21:19 PM
So I am currently watching the first episode of this show.  It is absolutely awesome.

The concept of this show is unimaginably captivating and unique. 
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 16, 2009, 07:58:29 PM
As much as I liked this show before, the last two episodes have really picked up. Last week's episode (with the religious compound) took a very minor, nitpicky misstep right at the end, but beyond that I've been incredibly impressed. I'm really enjoying it.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Tage on March 17, 2009, 12:54:34 AM
I, for one, only watched the first few episodes due to Whedon-loyalty, though I wasn't that impressed with the show. However, as of episodes 4 and 5, my faith has been rewarded and I love the show now. It's gone from good potential to fantastic execution.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on March 17, 2009, 05:15:06 AM
What was the misstep at the religious compound? Beyond the fact that when they went into the compound in riot gear, none of them looked in the doorway of the building, which was visible from the gate, and no one heard the one guy get shot?

(I liked the episode a lot, by the way.)
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 17, 2009, 04:06:42 PM
Like I said, it was a very small misstep that probably only bugged me. I was expecting Boyd to whisk Echo away in secret, so that when Ballard arrived he would find no body and no witnesses that she had left--in his eyes she would have disappeared completely, and in the eyes of the cultists she would have left as miraculously as she arrived. Having Boyd just walk out with her allowed a funny little joke with the ATF guy, but was comparatively a lot less cool than what I was expecting. That might not qualify as a misstep, but I'm counting it as one.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on March 17, 2009, 08:41:49 PM
For the ATF guy to know for sure they were alive provided him motivation not to tell the FBI guy he knew who Echo was, since Boyd had that video to dangle over his future career.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 20, 2009, 08:51:09 PM
finally caught up on this show again. the last 2 episodes are really heading in the right direction. advance reviews say that tonight's episode is the one where the show puts its stamp on how it is going to be from now on. Joss Whedon himself said that the series didn't even really start for him until episode 6. i am excited.

I also like how Joss Whedon is telling people to stop expecting so much humor everywhere. He doesn't need to be funny to be successful, and if people would stop comparing it to Firefly or Buffy (stupid comparisons), they might actually see the great ideas that are being put on TV by this show.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Reaves on March 21, 2009, 11:22:25 PM
So how was it? I caught maybe twenty minutes of it. From what I saw it looked good, but I must have missed the parts that had EPIC written all over them. What did you guys think?

EDIT: I did love the interaction between the FBI agent and the rich guy who had Echo programmed to be his dead wife. So much going on there.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on March 23, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
Very good episode (a bit harsh in places--definitely not a family show).  You can watch it on hulu.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 23, 2009, 05:18:13 AM
i thought this episode was the best of the bunch so far. there was a lot of good stuff going on. that said, i thought Echo's speech at the end was a tad off.

and yeah, i thought the themes were significantly darker. i'm excited that after all the promise of "episode 6 will make you like it a lot", the promise was actually filled.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 24, 2009, 03:03:58 AM
This episode had several twists that worked really well. They're continuing the show's main arcs while simultaneously going in new directions, which is cool. This episode also made me incredibly mad at the same time it made me very excited: I was literally shouting "Awesome! But wait, I don't want that to happen to her! Stupid show!" I figure any show that can do that is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Loud_G on March 24, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
I am really really enjoying this show. I just found out about it on Friday, and my wife and I watched all 6 available episodes over the weekend on hulu.

The premise is VERY interesting. Much more so than other TV shows. The humor is not as obvious as past Wedon shows but there is an underlying darkish humor about the show.

Each episode got more and more intense. I love how things are spiraling out of control! It confirms my own thoughts on the complexity and indominability of the human spirit/mind. I really like the characters who run the Dollhouse, their morality is very interesting. I love the variability of the clients too. I really rather felt bad for the guy whose wife had died and when Echo went back, it was a combination sweet, touching and creepy. That is hard to pull off.

All in all I think this is being handled VERY well.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 24, 2009, 03:42:14 PM
in my opinion, the lack of overall humor really emphasizes the moments of humor when they DO happen. the whole "Porn" segment killed me - especially when she walks by the room.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 24, 2009, 07:17:20 PM
Dear Steve: stop stealing all my thoughts. Why isn't the tinfoil hat working?
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Sigyn on March 24, 2009, 08:37:13 PM
Tee hee.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 24, 2009, 09:19:23 PM
Dear Steve: stop stealing all my thoughts. Why isn't the tinfoil hat working?
come now, how is a tinfoil hat supposed to stop me when I got the blueprints from reading your mind before you made it? i mean seriously, of COURSE I know how to get around something so simple...
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 24, 2009, 10:46:09 PM
If you're in my head, why didn't I find you when I drilled a hole in it huh? Answer that, smart guy!
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 26, 2009, 05:35:52 PM
I assume you're thinking Ballard, but I honestly don't see that happening. If DeWitt and Dominic knew Ballard was Alpha they'd be handling his situation a whole lot differently.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 26, 2009, 05:41:51 PM
I assume you're thinking Ballard, but I honestly don't see that happening. If DeWitt and Dominic knew Ballard was Alpha they'd be handling his situation a whole lot differently.

lol not to mention they've already released who they cast as Alpha. Alan Tudyk.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on March 27, 2009, 12:24:59 AM
No way. That is super awesome.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on March 27, 2009, 03:11:44 AM
After this episode Karen said she was pretty much done with the show because she doesn't want to watch something that is all about sex. She's got a point, since this episode was pretty much all about sex. If this was supposed to be the episode that set the tone for the rest of the season, does that mean the show is going to be all about sex?

Well, I don't think I would say it's a show about sex, but sex is certainly very central to it. Not just that, but sex that is, at one level or another, nonconsensual. This episode had three different couples with different degrees of nonconsensualness—one where both people knew it was nonconsensual, one where one person knew it was nonconsensual, and one where neither person knew. The episode went at lengths to say that the first scenario was entirely unacceptable—but it glorified the other two. There was happy happy music at the end, making it clear they expected people to think that the computer millionaire's love for his wife through nonconsensual sex with a doll was sweet. Aww.

You might say that the dolls gave their consent ahead of time. What do you think of a married couple where eventually one of the people experiences severe dementia and doesn't know what's going on around him/her? Is it just fine for the spouse to take advantage of the situation sexually? The dollhouse clients know that their doll has been programmed to consent to sex with them if that's what they ordered.

I am not sure I want to stop watching the show but these questions disturb me. If my wife doesn't want to watch a show where this stuff is presented as the norm, I can't fault her for it.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on March 30, 2009, 04:01:40 AM
If this was supposed to be the episode that set the tone for the rest of the season, does that mean the show is going to be all about sex?

With almost all the episodes, I've noticed a stated or implied comparison--"Being a doll is like X" or "X is like being a doll."  Like the suicidal rock star complaining about how her life was not her own and she had to be what everyone else wanted her to be.  Maybe the theme of that episode was "Being a doll is like being a rape victim." 
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 30, 2009, 04:41:46 AM
I assume you're thinking Ballard, but I honestly don't see that happening. If DeWitt and Dominic knew Ballard was Alpha they'd be handling his situation a whole lot differently.

lol not to mention they've already released who they cast as Alpha. Alan Tudyk.
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Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on March 30, 2009, 04:51:07 AM
I find lentils completely incomprehensible.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on March 30, 2009, 05:03:04 AM
I just watched the latest episode (ep 7). There were a few small logic holes, but overall I was entertained. I was hoping for a different scenario to the craziness happening (the real cause was a bit of a let-down), but it was all for set-up i suppose.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on April 02, 2009, 12:11:45 AM
The real let-down was "the drug will go away on its own in a few hours." I was really looking forward to the brilliant solution the drug-addled leaders came up with to solve the problem, and then it was all solved by itself without their input.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on April 02, 2009, 04:14:04 PM
exactly. this was part of the solution that was a letdown. I was hoping it was a conspiracy to take down the Dollhouse, but it was just a kid wanting to make money. boooooo.

advance feedback on the next episode was good, so I have hope.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on April 02, 2009, 07:49:42 PM
Ah yes the inimitable "magic bullet".  Oh hey! no! I mean the very imitable....

But really I watch to see a certain Romanian babe make googoo eyes at the camera...
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on April 09, 2009, 04:01:01 PM
Ep 8 was pretty good if a little slow. I have the distinct feeling when watching this show that they are having trouble cutting down to 45 min episodes. There are so many times where the episodes feel choppy as they try to get in all of the story points in the 45 min time-frame.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on April 09, 2009, 04:56:02 PM
Commercial interruptions are too long anyway.  They should shoot 50 minute format and just charge more for ads.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on April 14, 2009, 08:52:17 PM
I haven't commented on Dollhouse in a while, but I just saw the latest episode and I continue to be very, very impressed. I loved last week's when it looked like they were really going nuts with the premise, until I realized at the end that they were just going to push a reset button and undo all the plot progress they'd made. This week, though, proved me wrong--they are more than willing to change major characters, shift directions, and advance the overall plot in some crazy ways, all without sacrificing each individual episode. I really loved it. I hope more people get over their initial reservations with this show and give it another chance.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on April 14, 2009, 10:21:06 PM
I'm concerned we're going to have to see that hatchet faced weasel as an innocent doll now. . .

Blech!

But I wonder if Echo isn't turning into the exact opposite of Alpha.  HEading toward an event, but one where she'll be alpha's enemy and even partly sympathetic to the "purpose" of the Doll-House.  You knwo the heavy handed purpose they keep hinting at with a baseball bat that we still don't know. :P
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on April 15, 2009, 05:35:26 PM
I liked the episode a lot. I enjoyed how "boot-to-the-head" the FBI/November segment was. I could have used a little more build up to his craziness, but the end result was cool. They really need to get Ballard more involved. People complain about his arrogance, but I enjoy it.

The part that bugged me - and it seems like there is always a small SOMETHING that drives me crazy (which drives me crazy that there is ALWAYS something) - was how terrible a shot Mr. Head-of-Security(TM) was. And I felt it was too obvious that everyone accepts him as the mole who is doing the re-programming. He wasn't that smart. It's pretty obvious there is another mole.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Inquisitor on May 05, 2009, 02:50:27 PM
Just saw episode 11.
Alpha rules.  :P
nuff said.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on May 06, 2009, 12:10:13 PM
Alpha is a toad.  It's really hard to believe he's a doll.  What is facinating the foreshaddowing that the doctor might be a doll.  Also, Alpha's impression of an agoraphobic ergonomics engineer, looked rather like an impression of Fran Krantz.  Just a thought but what if alpha is the real Topher and Krantz is a doll with an edited version of Topher. . .  Mad scientist uses his gimcrack on himself first, classic horror flick stuff.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Inquisitor on May 06, 2009, 01:09:45 PM
Alpha played everybody this last episode. So great.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on May 08, 2009, 02:05:53 AM
Yeah, Alpha played everyone and the acting was superb, but the man's still a toad and in the company of Dushku, Williams, Gjokaj and Acker, he really doesn't fit.  The company obviously goes for really beuatiful people with the type of face that eye witnesses can't identify easily.  Tudyk doesn't fit.  Laurie is a stretch for that matter, but the prototype should have been even prettier (e.g. Travis fimmel only able to act.).   Maybe someone imported from daytime.  All My Dolls and Toys, or As the Dollhouse Turns.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Nessa on May 08, 2009, 04:08:09 PM
I don't think he's a toad. I find Tudyk attractive. Not in the youthful, edgy way the others are, but nevertheless, he's a cutie.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on May 08, 2009, 04:21:04 PM
Acker and Williams aren't exactly youthful. . . ;P
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on May 08, 2009, 04:49:42 PM
Tudyk is awesome. I really wish he got more parts.

I just read the most awesome interview about where Whedon pitched the part to Tudyk. It was at Nathan Fillion's house...after playing Pictionary...

Pictionary? With Whedon, Fillion, and Tudyk? How do I get into THOSE parties?
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on May 08, 2009, 05:06:52 PM
I really loved this episode, and I'm wondering if Alpha's relationship to Echo goes all the way back to when she was Caroline.

Steve, link me that interview!
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on May 08, 2009, 05:14:22 PM
http://tv.ign.com/articles/980/980668p1.html

Dan, we are making a pact. If one of us should ever get invited to a gig like that, we are inviting the other person.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Sigyn on May 08, 2009, 05:22:40 PM
Speaking of Fillion and other ex-Firefly peopld:

http://www.xkcd.com/577/
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on May 08, 2009, 05:43:34 PM
that was full of win.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Reaves on May 09, 2009, 02:50:44 AM
lol, LOTS of funny quotes this episode. My personal favorite was schizophrenic Alpha.
"I'm not bluffing!"
"We're not bluffing!"
"Okay, I'm bluffing-"
"-But the rest of us-"
"We mean business!"
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on May 09, 2009, 06:19:21 AM
It was okay, except for the fact that those "wedges" looked an awful lot like a winchester drive, a device that wouldn't survive a fall like thet even if someone caught it.

I liked those quotes, but I think my favorite was "Caroline!"
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on May 11, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
Lots of great story stuff going on in this episode, but the highlight was simply watching Tudyk hit it out of the park.
Why doesn't that man have a lot more acting gigs? He's really amazing.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Nessa on May 11, 2009, 06:57:53 PM
Lots of great story stuff going on in this episode, but the highlight was simply watching Tudyk hit it out of the park.
Why doesn't that man have a lot more acting gigs? He's really amazing.

Ohmygosh he was so creepy. I'm still shivering just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on May 11, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Read the interview, and now that it turns out Amy Acker is also invited to those pictionary parties, I really want to get in. Steve, the pact is a go.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on May 11, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
Read the interview, and now that it turns out Amy Acker is also invited to those pictionary parties, I really want to get in. Steve, the pact is a go.

Full. Of. WIN.

Lots of great story stuff going on in this episode, but the highlight was simply watching Tudyk hit it out of the park.
Why doesn't that man have a lot more acting gigs? He's really amazing.

It really is the guys who have the reputation as funny lovable guys that do so well in the creepy. Hopefully this will convince some people that he needs some more screen-time. He needs to get into some Christopher Nolan psychological thriller projects.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Shrain on May 12, 2009, 01:50:09 AM
Loved that Tudyk interview. I laughed at the reference to Serenity when he says he "couldn't stop the signal" once the truth about his *real* role was leaked.

I'd be up for a game of Pictionary with Fillion and Tudyk any day. Hubba, hubba. No, Tudyk isn't "doll" pretty like the others. He even mentions that Joss wanted to go against the typical casting. But I agree w/ Nessa. He's still cute. He sure played a VERY different character from Wash. And he did it brilliantly.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on May 19, 2009, 09:37:27 PM
surprisingly, FOX renewed this last week. all initial thoughts were that it was done.

also the DVD of season 1 will have another episode on it that ties it into season 2. it supposedly won't be aired on TV ever.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Inquisitor on May 20, 2009, 01:46:42 AM
^W00t! That happened with Firefly as well, with several episodes not being aired. But it really was done after 1 season  :'(
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Fellfrosch on May 20, 2009, 05:43:37 AM
Huzzah! That is super awesome.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on May 20, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
i have to wonder...what would this show have been like with Amy Acker as Echo? I think she is a better actress and could have pulled off the "character" better.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on May 20, 2009, 10:52:37 PM
I don't think she is better, but they are pretty close.  I think Acker would have been phenomenal, but probably would not have been willing to do the shower scenes.

Question, we get the point about the shower early on.  Doesn't it graduate to the gratuitous by episode 4 or 5?
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on May 21, 2009, 02:39:06 AM
Yes.

Which also prompts my question...after the episode where that one doll was getting raped by her handler, we haven't watched any episodes because we don't want to watch a show that's all about sex. Are the episodes after that about sex?
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on May 21, 2009, 03:36:51 AM
I wouldn't say they were about sex to that extent.  Still pretty dark. 
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Nessa on May 21, 2009, 03:24:20 PM
Yes.

Which also prompts my question...after the episode where that one doll was getting raped by her handler, we haven't watched any episodes because we don't want to watch a show that's all about sex. Are the episodes after that about sex?

No, Ookla, they weren't about sex. There's still some violence and 'dark content, but on the whole very interesting and entertaining.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: PW on June 06, 2009, 05:14:43 AM
But if they cut out all of the shower scenes, we would not have the hilarious "Man Reaction" bit from Topher.  Also the carrot bit from Alan Tudyk was my favorite comedic moment of the season.  Carrots!  They're medicinal carrots that were here when I got here and now I'm holding them for a friend!"

I am really fanboy excited we get another season.  Though I am not looking forward to the inevitable yearly debate about cancellation of the show.  I'm from Wisconsin.  I'm a Packer fan.  Brett Favre did the indecisive bit for a couple of seasons before he was traded to New York.  I don't think I can go through it again.  <<sniffle, sniffle, sob>>
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Liathiana on June 18, 2009, 06:23:09 AM
I have to say this is one of my new favorite shows. I am not a fan of Dushku, I don't find her different Doll "roles" believable however I love the supporting cast (<3 Wash and <3 Helo!). Of all the Dolls my favorite is definitely Victor and finding out the Doctor was a Doll was a surprise as well as the fact Ballard asked for November to be released and not Echo who was the whole reason he was chasing after the Dollhouse so hard in the first place.

I'm looking forward to next season though and I can't wait for the DVD's so I can see the episode with Felicia Day!
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on June 20, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Ballard's choice was surprisingly realistic.  Echo is a motive for his hunter instincts, an obsession but not a tangible lover.  November was a love interest (go figure).  Beside they had to write November out she just didn't fit with Wheden's collection of pretty dolls.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Liathiana on June 20, 2009, 11:17:09 PM
I'd say Fox's pretty dolls, originally Whedon wanted Dolls of various colors and sizes and looks...he wanted real diversity. Fox decided they wanted everyone pretty. And personally I found November gorgeous, I suppose you mean because she isn't stick thin?
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on June 21, 2009, 07:20:42 AM
Well she doesn't have a great figure.  But no, I meant the shape of her head, jaw, cheeks and nose.  On the other hand I was being facetious anyway.  Let's be honest, Dushku at sz 8-10 is not stick thin. Lachman is really the only one that's painfully thin.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Sigyn on June 22, 2009, 05:22:36 PM
You think Dushku is size 8-10? What planet do you live on? I'm size 8-10 and I am huge compared to the way Dushku looks on tv.  She's probably a size 2.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on June 23, 2009, 12:18:20 AM
well lets see.  My wife was 5' 3" tall B cup, 36" bust, 22" waste and 38" hips when we married and that made her a 6-7 at the time.  Dusku is a C or D cup with at least a 38" bust and 38" hips.  I may be out of step with women's sizes these days, but that sounds like an 8-10 to me.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Reaves on June 23, 2009, 01:13:02 AM
Holy crap dude...good thing we aren't giving away any secrets, right? I wonder what happens when you really start sharing...
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on June 23, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Measurements?  Get real.  If measurements makes you that jumpy then  . . .

Ah well, I forget I'm dealing with such youngins on here.  Put on a couple of decades and you'll loose that shrinking violet tendency. :D
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Reaves on June 23, 2009, 10:10:08 AM
Eh, if it had been anyone else I wouldn't have blinked an eyelash. And although I realize that it is pertinent to the discussion, it seems to me that giving away your ex-wife's bra size on the internet is not a good idea.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on June 26, 2009, 08:55:51 AM
You might have a point.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Jexral on August 17, 2009, 06:36:07 PM
Has anyone on here gotten a chance to see Epitaph One yet?  I saw it and, frankly, it is the best episode yet.  Felecia Day was spot on, and the whole concept was interesting to me.  I really hope that the show is able to continue on the direction that was pointed out there.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Inquisitor on August 17, 2009, 09:06:42 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Jex. Epitaph One is hands-down my favorite episode so far. At one point, it made my jaw literally drop. No one here knows me this well, but it is extremely difficult to do that. It also introduced my favorite character of the entire series. Zone wins. Period.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Jexral on October 16, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
Hey, anyone been watching this season?  Good stuff, so far, and I only expect it to get better.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on October 16, 2009, 04:11:43 PM
It's been ok. The episode where Echo was a mom was really poorly paced and acted (in both mine and my wife's opinion). Though that Victor segment from last week was some of the most hysterical TV I have seen in a long time.

And here is the problem this show has. Echo is absurdly boring. Every time I see her, I think, "I hated you in Buffy, and now I am reminded why."  Then I see the segments where Amy Acker, and I think, "Wow...an actress with emotional range...if only she were Echo instead." Also, I enjoy Victor way more than Echo. You know, I enjoy EVERY character more than Echo. Even the random pedestrians on the street. They have more character and less predictability.

Seriously, they could kill off Echo, download her into an actress that can, you know, act, and continue the story without any adverse effects. In fact, it would help the show.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 16, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
I think Eliza Dushku and Summer Glau are actually robots sent from the future to destroy quality television. At least Joss Wheadon had the sense in Firefly to cover up Summer's complete lack of talent. And Sarah Connor made her a robot. Eliza never had that luck. She is actually asked to ACT in her shows, unfortunately, she can't act. Even her interviews with reporters are boring. The hand model eating a Big Mac in the McDonalds commercials has more personality than she does.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Jexral on October 16, 2009, 06:48:41 PM
Weird.  I'm really a big fan of Dushuku.  I feel like she makes a really good Echo, partly because of that emotional detachment - she's a zombie for large parts of the show, and then she acts well in the parts she needs to.  And Faith was, imo, one of the best Buffy Characters.  Right up there with Willow. 

About the mom episode, I liked that one.  I thought that it was interesting in its concept, even if there could have been better ways to present that.  I really liked Vows, and the episode with Victor, and next week, with its sierra episode, should be quite interesting.  How she came to be a doll will really color my view of the Dollhouse's morality.  As it is, I assume that every doll that is there volunteered, and if that is the case, I see nothing immoral, or even particularly amoral, about the Dollhouse.  If, however, any of the dolls were forced into it, clearly it is a bad thing.  <shrug>

On Summer Glau - I've only seen her in Firefly, but I felt like she really did fantastically.  I can't imagine that was an easy role...  I dunno.  I haven't seen her in SCC, so maybe she really is as bad as people seem to think.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Renoard on December 09, 2009, 11:18:14 PM
I have to totally disagree. Glau is an amazing actress. She conveys emotional sublties that most actors and actresses would need a line to explain. Also, every character she plays is a truly unique person. She doesn't just play Glau as a robot or Glau as a psychotic half Reaver. As a great actor should she becomes River, or the terminator, or the psychotic scientist.

At any rate the cast is great and the stories are compelling and it's a mistake to cancel Dollhouse.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on December 10, 2009, 05:14:10 PM
Ren: are we watching the same actress? You are talking about summer Glau right? The skinnier, black haired version of Jennifer Garner.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 10, 2009, 06:44:52 PM
I wouldn't go that far.  I think Glau can be good, but they force her into emotionless roles.  She was quite good in The 4400.  She had a decent role in The Unit as well.  She isn't near as bad as Garner.

As for canceling Dollhouse, I don't like that it is being canceled, but with only half the episodes being worth a damn, I can see why they are doing it.  It seems like it took the announcement of the show getting canceled for it to start going anywhere.  I also think that it's time-slot is poor, and that is leading to a false perception of poor viewership.  Am I sad Dollhouse is being canceled? Kinda.  More like I am upset that these types of shows have such short life-spans.  Terminator, Dollhouse, Firefly, Fringe (in danger of being canceled), 4400, Kings (alternate reality) etc.  All this does is set a precedent that all SF shows are poor.   Some of them may be, but not all of them.  Instead, they will make a cheap "reality" TV show because they are worried about the public's perception of SF shows or original IPs.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on December 10, 2009, 08:03:10 PM
oh my, BSG, I absolutely HATED her charachter in 4400. She may not be as bad as Garner's 2 emotion acting, but she is rather close. But then again, she isn't nearly as bad as Kristanna Loken.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on December 20, 2009, 09:32:41 PM
Isn't Enver Gjokaj amazing?  It was so fun watching him as Topher.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Sigyn on December 22, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Hurray, this season is finally moving. Just in time to get canceled.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: DragonFly on December 22, 2009, 05:53:32 PM
The way I understand it is that's why it's moving--after it was announced that the series was canceled, the producers promised they would "finish" the story satisfactorily.  It's become much more interesting since then
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Dark_Prophecy on December 27, 2009, 01:28:13 PM
The way I understand it is that's why it's moving--after it was announced that the series was canceled, the producers promised they would "finish" the story satisfactorily.  It's become much more interesting since then

Yup, it's the best it's ever been. Almost makes me wish they hadn't cancelled it. Oh well, cool concept that just couldn't make it over the hump. That's pretty much the story of almost every cancelled show, isn't it?
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Jexral on December 31, 2009, 07:47:24 AM
Watching it, I can tell what has happened.  They have taken what would have been season long arcs, and crammed them into two episodes so they can finish the story.  While I am glad that they did, and that we get to finish the story, I wish they hadn't had to.  :(

Why does fox cancel it's best shows?  Firefly, Dollhouse, Wonderfalls, Arrested Development, The Riches (On FX)... <sigh>  I guess they didn't make them as much money, but they were so wonderful. 
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: little wilson on January 15, 2010, 08:55:26 AM
I just cruised through both seasons in about 3 days. And I am amazed at how awesome it is. I have loved every single episode, some a lot more than others, but all have entertained me. And now I can't wait to find out how it ends. I suppose after tomorrow's episode I'll have to go back and watch Epitaph One (which I actually watched last night, but it was awesome and I've watched about 10 episodes since then, so it'll be nice to refresh...I guess), just to keep up for the end of the series. It's so sad that it'll done in just over a week. It's one of the best tv shows I've ever watched.
Title: Re: Dollhouse
Post by: Johnhomas on May 21, 2011, 11:52:10 AM
 I Realy Like This Show. The company behind the doll houses in the show is Rossum. This is almost certainly a nod to Karel Capek's play R.U.R. (Rossum's Universal Robots). The play deals with artificial people, programmed to do work who eventually turn on their masters. This play also introduced the word Robot into the English language.