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Insomnia pays off! Discuss the new chapter here. I'll edit this post once with what I've got afterward.
And Jakobus, agreed. Elend pwns.
I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages.
The chapter headings are done by a Hero of Ages. I'd assume this means Rashek as was guessed before.
Black ash fell lightly from the sky, as it did most days lately.
Ashfalls (And the ashmounts.) are getting more regular, perhaps?
"I need your solders and I need your city."
Why would Elend need the city? Is it perhaps Statlin City? (Perhaps the city was renamed?)
General thoughts:
I think Vin must be stronger than Elend, otherwise he'd just Super-Soothe the Koloss into his bidding with Duralumin. Unless maybe they ran out of it, but I think they have the resources to find more. Either that or that's just another quirky thing only Vin can do. It seems Elend has gotten pretty proficient with most metals, as I'm sure he used Iron, Steel, Pewter, Zinc, and Brass in that chapter.
I wonder why Vin didn't go to Vetitan as well. Something must be keeping her elsewhere if Elend himself had to come, especially if she's the only one who can control koloss. Perhaps they're both out, saving as many cities as they can, just in different directions.
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I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages.
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY?!?!?!??!??!?!?!??!?!!??!?!
Oh, and Elend is sooo much more of a hardass
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Venture immediately jumped up to the top of the bulwark, using his Allomancy to cross the distance in a quick bound. Most of the soldiers stooped or hid behind the top of the fortification, keeping a low profile despite the distance of their enemies. Venture, however, stood proud in his white cape and uniform, shading his eyes, squinting toward the horizon.
Also notice nowhere does it show Elend throwing coins or any such metal to the ground. Whether this means the skaa just don't know much about allomancy are were looking somewhere else or Elend actually doesn't need to anymore i don't know.
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Venture immediately jumped up to the top of the bulwark, using his Allomancy to cross the distance in a quick bound. Most of the soldiers stooped or hid behind the top of the fortification, keeping a low profile despite the distance of their enemies. Venture, however, stood proud in his white cape and uniform, shading his eyes, squinting toward the horizon.
Also notice nowhere does it show Elend throwing coins or any such metal to the ground. Whether this means the skaa just don't know much about allomancy are were looking somewhere else or Elend actually doesn't need to anymore i don't know.
I think it was just because there were a lot of metal anchors around he could have used. Horseshoes, soldiers, city buildings, they all have metal that he could use.
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Now that's the Elend Venture I was waiting for! Fantastic!
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Now that's the Elend Venture I was waiting for! Fantastic!
yes exactly. He is no longer half-scholar half-king, trying to fit into shoes 3 sizes to big. He has matured and grown. Now he is emperor.
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Why are we all so sure that this is Elend Venture? Something seems wrong to me. Why doesn't Elend Just take control of the Koloss? Also, why did he come alone? Since he arrived on horseback, he could have been just as fast with a small group of soldiers to help in the preparation. His allomancy would not have helped the horse run faster.
Then to have 2k untrained farmers attack 10k Koloss in the open? The only advantage I see is to minimize Koloss casualties after the population is exterminated. I could just be overthinking this, but something is wrong. Also, a question; what color is Elend's hair in the first 2 books? I can't remember.
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either brown or black, and i had similar thoughts about the koloss. Possible explanations:
1. He is out of Duralumin for controlling Koloss.
2. Of course you may also need hemalurgy to control koloss but i have no backup or evidence for this idea.
3. His soldiers are fighting an even greater threat. Why he would need two armies i have no idea.
And of course you could be right. This is not Elend Venture, just an Allomantic look-alike. He has trapped the women and children in a few clustered buildings. He has brought an army of koloss to Vetitian and is leading the skaa to their doom.
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I'm pretty sure it's Elend. His hair is dark brown (like it is here) and he's wearing it short like Tindwyl encouraged him to. Also, he still talks like Elend, we're just not given his perspective. The part where he mentions that he used to believe he do things "another way" and still believes in that possibility, was very Elend like. If it isn't Elend, it's a Kandra, and I don't think they can use Allomancy.
As for the horse... Vin particularly hates horses, but they can be useful. Using pewter all the time is dangerous, and Elend has come a long way.
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AHHHHHHHH!!!!
I'm so excited... it's wonderful, and if the first chapter is this good, then I can hardly imagine how FANTASTIC the rest of it is going to be! ;D
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Perhaps Elend cannot control the Koloss because something else does or because he is not as strong as Vin or a handfull of other options. He just sounds like Elend, although much more Kelsier-like; I almost cried with pride, lol.
Edit: And maybe Vin isn't there because she is raising their baby. :rofl:
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Perhaps Ruin is controlling the Koloss? They have nails in them. And if that's so it makes for huge trouble for our heroes, because will they not only have to fight the warping of reality stuff, they'll have to fight huge armies. (hey, Sanderson described this book as a 'war epic') Sorry if this idea's already been mentioned.
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If it isn't Elend I may have to weep from dissapointment.....
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UGH, I HATE HATE HATE this version of Elend. Until it is 100% proven that this is the REAL Elend I won't believe. Also, there is a lot of foreshadowing in this chapter that would let us believe that this isn't the REAL Elend. I mean, he seems to me like a very good actor, but NOT Elend.
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UGH, I HATE HATE HATE this version of Elend. Until it is 100% proven that this is the REAL Elend I won't believe. Also, there is a lot of foreshadowing in this chapter that would let us believe that this isn't the REAL Elend. I mean, he seems to me like a very good actor, but NOT Elend.
Whoa there. Hate this version of Elend? That is insane. As Czanos put it this Elend, and I truly hope this is the real Elend(thanks Darxbane for planting the seed of doubt), simply pwns!
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UGH, I HATE HATE HATE this version of Elend. Until it is 100% proven that this is the REAL Elend I won't believe. Also, there is a lot of foreshadowing in this chapter that would let us believe that this isn't the REAL Elend. I mean, he seems to me like a very good actor, but NOT Elend.
Whoa there. Hate this version of Elend? That is insane. As Czanos put it this Elend, and I truly hope this is the real Elend(thanks Darxbane for planting the seed of doubt), simply pwns!
I actually thought that before I read what he had posted.
I just don't like him. The other Elend was such a sweet idealist that was just cute. Now he is rugged and EWWY Facial hair?!?! WTF?!?!?!
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UGH, I HATE HATE HATE this version of Elend. Until it is 100% proven that this is the REAL Elend I won't believe. Also, there is a lot of foreshadowing in this chapter that would let us believe that this isn't the REAL Elend. I mean, he seems to me like a very good actor, but NOT Elend.
Whoa there. Hate this version of Elend? That is insane. As Czanos put it this Elend, and I truly hope this is the real Elend(thanks Darxbane for planting the seed of doubt), simply pwns!
I actually thought that before I read what he had posted.
I just don't like him. The other Elend was such a sweet idealist that was just cute. Now he is rugged and EWWY Facial hair?!?! WTF?!?!?!
I too had an inkling of a doubt about it truly being Elend but it grew after I read Darx post.....
As far as your dislike for Elend because of his facial hair...Well quite frankly I just can't understand that.
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As far as your dislike for Elend because of his facial hair...Well quite frankly I just can't understand that.
It's not just that. It's also this sudden hardness and coldness. He doesn't seem to care anymore. Like he is heartless. It's horrible. The facial hair just increased the dislike.
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As far as your dislike for Elend because of his facial hair...Well quite frankly I just can't understand that.
It's not just that. It's also this sudden hardness and coldness. He doesn't seem to care anymore. Like he is heartless. It's horrible. The facial hair just increased the dislike.
To me it sounded like someone that has admitted to themselves that there is no other choice at this time. When you have 10,000 Koloss coming you don't really have room for debate. As far as Elend forcing them to swear fealty, alot can happen in a years time between books, he probably needs to build his army to withstand all that Ruin can throw at them. He can always try instituting democracy after natural order has been returned.
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10k koloss approaching, how to act? exactly like Elend did, take total control and make them swear fealty or he'll still them! oh wait... Or he'll take it by force!
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well hes not exactly taking it by force...he is providing strong, needed leadership in a time of crisis. He is giving the skaa leader room to back out and save face.
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I like to think of it from Brandon's perspective: why, if it's the third book of the trilogy with many already established characters, would Brandon ever introduce one of the main characters and then later, somehow not have him actually be the main character? It's unnecessarily convoluted from a storytelling perspective.
Though... I was caught off-guard because of the facial hair, but there are too many things that point to him being Elend than him not being Elend. White cape, just like from MB2, same hair style from MB2, and most of all, he essentially completes the story arc from MB2 about him becoming king. He is the emperor now, and now he acts like it.
The improvement is extraordinary. Elend, I think, has always been my favorite character (series-wise, at least. Kelsier was the favorite for MB1), but now he is even better than I could have imagined. He's a powerful leader, the only thing that has really happened to him is that he's grown. The world is falling into chaos, and he is doing what he has to do to keep it alive. I like to think of it from the perspective of his last line in MB2, where he says, "We are going to survive." Obviously, he is doing it this way--without that pesky "ideals" business--to survive. Already, before we even get into his viewpoint, I can see what Elend's internal conflicts will be in the book: he is going to struggle with trying to keep his ideals (or restore them) in the face of unimaginable chaos.
This is Elend, I am positive of it. He's just stronger now.
Remember, though, that Statlin City is probably more like one of the Lord Ruler's storehouses than the hidden atium supply. Recall from the preview chapter in the second edition paperback of MB1 (the one from Spook's viewpoint) that Elend was going after cities that had these storehouses.
In fact, I believe I just figured out why Vin isn't with Elend: she is commanding the koloss army to conquer places with the storehouses. As to why Elend cannot control koloss, I do not have a sufficient answer for you.
The Hero of Ages, though... wow. Everything is just phenomenal.
I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages.
My first impression, here, is that the Hero is no one we've known before, but an unknown. However, it could simply be here that it is Rashek writing believing himself to be the Hero.
Either way, it is purely phenomenal.
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I still don't like this version of Elend. I miss him being his innocent idealistic philosophic self. He just seems so cold.
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miyabi, remember that this chapter is from an outside POV, someone who doesn't know Elend except by reputation. Also remember that a year has passed.
Chaos, something in your most recent post made me cackle with glee. Just wait until you read the book. ;)
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Hmm. Well if it's not Elend, who is it?
It's not Vin, obviously.
It's not a Steel Inquisitor.
It's unlikely (but possible) that there's Yet Another Mistborn out there who just feels like fighting koloss, for fun.
Kandra don't bounce like that, do they? (Unless there's another power we haven't seen yet.)
It could be Zane, if he's not really dead. (Cue Zane conspiracy theories. Hey, maybe the facial hair is to cover the slit throat!)
Maybe it's a Zane Zombie -- a Zanebie? Zambie? -- being controlled by Ruin.
(If it's Zane or a Zambie, that might explain why he isn't using mind control on the koloss. But then, why help the people to begin with?)
Maybe it's someone else from Elend's crew, who also was given a Power Pill? (Let's see -- who survived WoA?)
(n.b. Isn't it sad that Dox bit it? He would have been awesome with a Power Pill)
(n.b.2 Holy cow -- they really ought to give Sazed a Power Pill. Infinite power, Lord-Ruler-esque, in one of the good guys. That would be pretty cool.)
Given the lack of obvious alternatives, I'm inclined to say it's really Elend.
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Chaos, something in your most recent post made me cackle with glee. Just wait until you read the book. ;)
Oh, I will. It's preordered on Amazon and if it doesn't come within a single day of the 14th, I'll just go to the nearest bookstore and get it there.
And you can count on me that after I read it, I will hit you up for a chat to discuss some things, I'm sure.
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I still don't like this version of Elend. I miss him being his innocent idealistic philosophic self. He just seems so cold.
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I agree with everyone else that Elend is fantastic. His character has had to evolve. And keep in mind that this chapter is not from Elend's point of view. I'm sure his idealistic self will come out through inner conflicts in his POV chapters. I can't wait until October. I was so happy when I read this that I almost cried.
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I still don't like this version of Elend. I miss him being his innocent idealistic philosophic self. He just seems so cold.
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I agree with everyone else that Elend is fantastic. His character has had to evolve. And keep in mind that this chapter is not from Elend's point of view. I'm sure his idealistic self will come out through inner conflicts in his POV chapters. I can't wait until October. I was so happy when I read this that I almost cried.
Why does Pygmallion sound familiar?
Yeah, I hope that he at least struggles to be this way. I really just don't like the changes he's gone through. ha ha. Maybe that's why people get divorced? xP
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Yeah, I hope that he at least struggles to be this way. I really just don't like the changes he's gone through. ha ha. Maybe that's why people get divorced? xP
Well this is the man that Vin seemed to be shaping Elend into. She loved his sensitive side, but also knew he had to grow a pair in order to rule a nation. It seems that events as well as Vin's wise council has probably made Elend a better man. Not just a dreamer, but a man of action.
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Yeah, I hope that he at least struggles to be this way. I really just don't like the changes he's gone through. ha ha. Maybe that's why people get divorced? xP
Well this is the man that Vin seemed to be shaping Elend into. She loved his sensitive side, but also knew he had to grow a pair in order to rule a nation. It seems that events as well as Vin's wise council has probably made Elend a better man. Not just a dreamer, but a man of action.
The last part was supposed to be a joke.
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Why does Pygmallion sound familiar?
My comment or my username?
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Why does Pygmallion sound familiar?
My comment or my username?
Username
Edit: AHHH! My green is broken!
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Pygmalion is a play by George Bernard Shaw. My Fair Lady is based on that play. Henry Higgins, Eliza Doolittle and all that.
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1. I like to think of it from Brandon's perspective: why, if it's the third book of the trilogy with many already established characters, would Brandon ever introduce one of the main characters and then later, somehow not have him actually be the main character? It's unnecessarily convoluted from a storytelling perspective.
2. Though... I was caught off-guard because of the facial hair, but there are too many things that point to him being Elend than him not being Elend. White cape, just like from MB2, same hair style from MB2, and most of all, he essentially completes the story arc from MB2 about him becoming king. He is the emperor now, and now he acts like it.
3.The improvement is extraordinary. Elend, I think, has always been my favorite character (series-wise, at least. Kelsier was the favorite for MB1), but now he is even better than I could have imagined. He's a powerful leader, the only thing that has really happened to him is that he's grown. The world is falling into chaos, and he is doing what he has to do to keep it alive. I like to think of it from the perspective of his last line in MB2, where he says, "We are going to survive." Obviously, he is doing it this way--without that pesky "ideals" business--to survive. Already, before we even get into his viewpoint, I can see what Elend's internal conflicts will be in the book: he is going to struggle with trying to keep his ideals (or restore them) in the face of unimaginable chaos.
This is Elend, I am positive of it. He's just stronger now.
4. Remember, though, that Statlin City is probably more like one of the Lord Ruler's storehouses than the hidden atium supply. Recall from the preview chapter in the second edition paperback of MB1 (the one from Spook's viewpoint) that Elend was going after cities that had these storehouses.
5. In fact, I believe I just figured out why Vin isn't with Elend: she is commanding the koloss army to conquer places with the storehouses. As to why Elend cannot control koloss, I do not have a sufficient answer for you.
Chaos, something in your most recent post made me cackle with glee. Just wait until you read the book.
Soo...what could it be...
1. Of course Ookla could be laughing at the fact that Vin is no longer the main character but i don't think that is it. First of all it isn't funny, and second of all for the reasons Chaos stated.
2. Elend could be lying about being emperor now...but i do not think that is it...
3. Kelsier lives! yeah thats all i can think of.
4. perhaps the atium is spread among various storehouses? nah i don't think that would make Ookla laugh.
5. Vin is controlling the koloss army! The entire attack is a deliberate farce; Elend charges into battle and Vin commands the koloss to flee before him in terror!! Or alternatively the fight a fiercely contested battle and Vin "arrives" at the last minute to control the koloss and save the day.
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Pygmalion is a play by George Bernard Shaw. My Fair Lady is based on that play. Henry Higgins, Eliza Doolittle and all that.
Ahhh yes of course. Now I feel dumb. There goes three years of drama out the window. ha ha. Thank you.
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Vin is controlling the koloss army! The entire attack is a deliberate farce; Elend charges into battle and Vin commands the koloss to flee before him in terror!! Or alternatively the fight a fiercely contested battle and Vin "arrives" at the last minute to control the koloss and save the day.
Ooh, I like that! What better way to sway people to your cause than to lead them to "victory" against 10,000 Koloss! Now Elend charging into battle like a fool makes sense. It also explains why he would use a horse to rush ahead of the army instead of pewter dragging. It's all a show. Of course, if this isn't true I will look silly, but so be it.
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^ Wow, that is a brilliant thought there... hadn't considered that...
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I think some of you guys might be over thinking it. Elend has grown up and matured, and this chapter shows it. We know there were more bands of random, raging koloss wandering the Final Empire than just those from the army that hit Luthadel, and it makes sense that one of the first things Elend & Co. would do is to stop them, and build up his own side to defend his people from the other Dominances and the forces of Ruin.
As for him being a tyrant, he would come to that conclusion after his earlier attempts at a more democratic government nearly ended in disaster. Democracy (as has been well illustrated on our own world) does not work well in a war zone. For the good of others, Elend will be a tyrant. I just hope he doesn't grow to like it.
If this is just a ploy to trick people into following him by suddenly "stilling" the koloss, I think that would be out of character for Elend. I have faith that, inside, he's still an idealist. He's just an idealist that's had a heavy dose of harsh realism pounded in, now.
And facial hair, depending on how he wears it, can look tres cool.
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My one issue with that is that Elend could not beat 10,00 Koloss with 2,000 untrained untested farmers, Mistborn or not, and he certainly wouldn't rush them out in the open. If he is willing to become a tyrant, even temporarily, then why is he not willing to trick people into following him by staging a glorious victory over a terrible enemy?
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While it might make an interesting discussion, I give Elend going to those lengths to trick people into supporting him a plausibility rating of nill.
Koloss are much stronger than skaa, so why would he allow some to be killed just to bring a handfull of skaa aboard when he already has control over a much larger and powerfull force of Koloss? Why would he risk alienating the skaa which would find out at some point that it was a ruse? They would abandon him as soon as they find out.
He has nothing to gain by marching a little over 1,000 trained skaa (+ 1,000 farmers) against 10,000 Koloss unless he just wants to get them out there to show them that he has control over the Koloss, in which case he could have brought a single one and have it do cartwheels, stand on it's head, etc.
If it is Elend, he does not have control of the Koloss and is leading skaa into a quick strike and retreat while the Koloss least expect it.
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Just read the chapter...AWESOME.
My first thought about the Koloss army actually was that Vin was controlling it. And I'm personally pretty sure that it really is Elend. I also though it might be Statlin City, just renamed, but I'm not so sure now. Basically, I'm really looking forward to HoA. And, as Chaos said, I will be at the bookstore at opening on the 14th.
And that chapter rocked. That's all there is to it.
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If this is just a ploy to trick people into following him by suddenly "stilling" the koloss, I think that would be out of character for Elend. I have faith that, inside, he's still an idealist. He's just an idealist that's had a heavy dose of harsh realism pounded in, now.
And facial hair, depending on how he wears it, can look tres cool.
Yeah, I like your thoughts here better than most. I just don't want to give my old Elend up. ha ha. xP I loved him so much.
Also 95% of facial hair is gross and the way it's described makes me think of like a full beard which is icky. My boyfriend has a little soul patch and that looks OK and is tolerable, but most facial hair is just. . . ew. ha ha.
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Remember that Elend has been in a chaotic war zone for a year, fighting a superpowered near-omniscient being. That would change you.
And what's with the facial hair obsession?
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My one issue with that is that Elend could not beat 10,00 Koloss with 2,000 untrained untested farmers, Mistborn or not, and he certainly wouldn't rush them out in the open. If he is willing to become a tyrant, even temporarily, then why is he not willing to trick people into following him by staging a glorious victory over a terrible enemy?
But they're not "untested"... Fatren tells Elend that they've been in battles before, when various rogue groups tried to take over the city from the skaa. They're not trained soldiers on the same level as a standing army, but neither are they a bunch of farmers who don't know which end of the sword to hold.
Two additional points: Elend's attack has the advantage of surprise... the koloss are tired from marching and in the middle of setting camp, and I don't think that koloss are particularly used to being charged at all. And Elend has stated that he has an army on the way... they don't need to defeat 10,000 koloss, they just need to route them, unnerve them, trim them down and freak them out a bit until Vin and the rest of his backup arrives.
I don't expect anyone except Vin has the power to still the koloss. We haven't really been given an indication of how powerful a Mistborn Elend really is, and even Vin was barely able to push hard enough for a stilling. But just the same, Elend is (presumably) well-charged and equipped himself, and more than capable of putting a hurt on even an army of koloss.
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I don't think Vin's with his other two armies. I'd bet she's out with her own two armies. After all, by the end of Well of Ascension, they had the koloss army, Straff's army, Cett's army, and Luthadel's army. I'd guess she either has two of those armies or just the koloss one. (And Luthadel army is manning the fort.) With each force having two armies and a mistborn, they're both powerful forces to be reckoned with, and probably both well-capable of taking out random bands of koloss. (This "random band" just happening to be huge-ish.)
The main reason I don't think Vin's with this group is that she could have either kept up with Elend or gotten there faster. I could believe that Elend didn't want to pewter drag to the city because he didn't want to wear himself out, and that he didn't want to try one of Vin's improvisational spikeways because he doesn't feel that confident with steel and iron yet, but Vin could probably do either and still fight at the end. Especially if she has duralumin and brass.
Although, I think the reason Elend/Vin doesn't super-soothe them is because there's just too many. Breeze says that at best he can only affect a few hundred people at once, and while it'd be possible to hold that many under your control, the chances are too great that they'd kill you while your doing it. I think Elend wants to use this small army to distract the koloss while he gets as many as he can.
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Remember that Elend has been in a chaotic war zone for a year, fighting a superpowered near-omniscient being. That would change you.
And what's with the facial hair obsession?
I just hate it with a flaming burning passion.
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Ooh goody! Brandon only released the first sample chapter, so I'm still one of the few people in the know. :P
I won't spoil anything for you guys, but I can safely say that this is Elend, ugly facial hair and all. :D
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Ooh goody! Brandon only released the first sample chapter, so I'm still one of the few people in the know. :P
I won't spoil anything for you guys, but I can safely say that this is Elend, ugly facial hair and all. :D
Awwww!
Well that just spoils all of our fun! Meanie head. >P
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Ha! I win.
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"Three cheers for Emperor Elend. Hip hip...HOORAY"......And lead by the Madness, the townsfolk cheered loudly into the night. For they finally had an emperor and not just any emperor, Emperor Elend Venture...
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*Cries as Elend becomes so hard and stern.*
They grow up so fast. . . and they change so much. :'(
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I like the idea of the limit on how many they can control at once... Though I'm not sure how many that is. And charging them before they get into a blood rage is a really good idea, because if they're kept off guard, they may never get into one. Remember when Elend fights that one inside the Koloss camp, kills it, and gives a pointless explanation (he ate my horse)? They don't even care.
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I was thinking that maybe it wasn't so much a limit of control per se, but more of a limit to how many you can grab at a time. (Think K/s-Koloss per second) Remember that Vin never did grab an army all at once; she took control in groups.
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Or, we could be right in that Elend already knows he is going to win. Think about it. If he arrived at a village with an army of Koloss at his command, many Skaa would probably think of him as a new Lord Ruler, a tyrant to replace a tyrant. Instead, he leads them to victory against TLR's former monster army. He is earning their loyalty instead of demanding it (or at least they think he is earning it).
I understand that he could simply have learned enough about the Koloss to take advantage of their weaknesses, or even have the ability to control half of them and turn them on the other half, but I like the underhanded thief type tactics continuing on in this book.
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but I like the underhanded thief type tactics continuing on in this book.
You don't use those types of tactics on people you intend to rely upon in the end. He isn't leading them out to play dodgeball, he is leading them out to death, either theirs or the Koloss, his biggest weapon if he did actually control them, just to bring aboard barely trained skaa that would desert him in a second if they found out it was a ruse. It is a lose-lose situation.
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I don't expect anyone except Vin has the power to still the koloss.
Keep in mind that OreSeur (okay TenSoon) was telling Vin in book 2 that Mistborn generally were a threat to his people, and that power appears to work in a similar fashion with both kandra and koloss.
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I think any Mistborn could do it. They just need the strength and probably a bit of duralumin.
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I agree. Any mistborn with the right metals can do it.
And whoever was talking about koloss per second, just know that you had me laughing for a good 2 minutes or so. Seriously, I just get this mental image of a koloss-throwing competition...priceless.
Wow. I just noticed that the ad from google on the post reply page is: Find Lesbian Singles. Hmm. Interesting... I've never had one quite like that pop up for me.
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well ya know what they say the only thing better than one girl is two girls...
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I just find it interesting that that was the ad for this particular page. Usually they're a little more.... user-oriented? Specialized? As in, we're on a fantasy author's forum, so they show ads from amazon with fantasy books? The only thing I can think of is that Miyabi's comment about hating facial hair with a flaming burning passion or burning fiery passion or something like that got the google people excited and they just plopped that one on. It's still pretty funny, though.
Wow. This time it's Beyond Mormonism - the personal journey of a former Mormon Elder, and 'Camp' Camp - Gay Adults. This is just an interesting thread. But now that we're sufficiently sidetracked....
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lol yah i know what you are saying, earlier this morning i was on Gamereplays.org; a PC gaming site, and the first thing i see is a tampon add. Belieive me it was weird.
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We could offer them to our Hemalurgists. They may need them, becoming a Hemalurgist is a bloody process.
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We could offer them to our Hemalurgists. They may need them, becoming a Hemalurgist is a bloody process.
oh gosh...i think i just had a heart attack.
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I was attempting to get us somewhere near the topic at hand. >.<
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In the future, please don't attempt...please....
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So I'm wondering where chapter 2 is!
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I just get back from an awesome week at camp, and I find and explosion has happened in my absence. Here are my thoughts:
1. The "bumps," person is supposed to be a near character who looks at the earth in a scientific way and knows absolutely everything about allomancy and hemalurgy and feruchemy. At first I thought this was Preservation, but after reading that chapter, and the whole "unfortunately, I am the hero of ages," bit, I think it is the Mist Spirit. In life, it was the true hero of ages, who locked Ruin (and perhaps Preservation) away to stop their feuding that was tearing the world apart, and appeared to all the "pretender" heroes of ages, like Alendi and Vin, to stop them from freeing Ruin once the prophecy was changed, who were unintentionally trying to undo it's work.
2. Elend has grown up, and I agree with what you guys have to say about him. He's not as powerful as Vin though, and can't soothe koloss.
3. My guess is if Elend has two armies coming, then one is koloss and one isn't, and Vin isn't there with him, because she has to control the koloss she is leading, and if she is too far from them they break out of her soothing? She isn't as powerful as the lord ruler yet after all, and there's nothing worse than a koloss army suddenly killing their allies. So she's coming with the army, which can't travel as fast, as a single man on horseback, and Elend is simply delaying the other koloss until she gets there.
Thoughts. boy it's good to be back!
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2 - But OreSeur (well . . .yeah) said that Kandra feared all Mistborn. I think he could do it if he did it right.
3 - Interesting. I like it and it makes sense.
WB! I'm catching up to you in post count.
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that still doesn't explain the second, human army's absence. Yes i know the entire army does not have horses, they must guard their supply trains, etc etc. But Elend should have at least brought some type of honor guard along to stiffen the defenses.
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A single man on horseback can ride faster then many men, and a small honor guard wouldn't do much, and I don't think he could spare anything larger. And he had come with a group the army would have been more likely to attack him.
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He could have Pewter Dragged carrying to the horse then just out of their sight put the horse down and started riding it. ::) :P ;D
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So I'm guessomg that trio of smileys means you're joking?
Anyways, does anyone know when chapter two comes out, when do we get to Spook?? And Vin, we STILL haven't heard from her yet. Does anyone know how many chapters brandon's going to do on the site? How many were in the back of the Final Empire paperback??
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I know as much as you. Does anyone know what is going on with the site? I'm rather curious. And I miss my title. I like being an arrogant scribe...
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I asked the same question on the "these stupid titles," thread. I was very curious. It seems to be a modification or improvement of sorts.
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Perhaps it's a dastardly plot of Ruin's sent to confuse us!
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I think I have made a connection here: Compare this chapter to the exerpt at the end of the promotional Mistborn 1 book. (IDK if it's there in other versions)
The excerpt states that "'Elend Venture has conquered another city,' said a second voice...'An unimportant one,' Olid said. 'To the south. Barely five thousand people'...'He immediately abandoned the city, taking its populace with him.' "But he got another koloss army, somehow' Good, Spook thought. The fourth storage cavern was theirs. Luthadel wouldn't starve for a while yet." (Page 657 of Mistborn 1 , edition - paperback with mail in rebate)
We know that this town that Elend is defending is in the Southern Dominance "Fatren doubted that such an important man--one who was likely more legend than fact--had made his way to such a humble city in the Southern Dominance, especially unaccompanied." (Chapter1 HOA preview)
I'm gonna speculate, based on the facts, that Elend walks out of there with a shiny new koloss army, as well as the town and the contents of this mysterious cavern. (likely food)
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That makes a lot of sense. I agree with you.
Hmmmm...I feel so sad. Why do I only get one star when Reaves and Chaos get 4 and Coma gets 5?
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I know. I mean, Coma def has a few more posts than me, but I've been around longer and I have more posts than a lot of people and I am online A LOT. . . how do I only have one star?
Oh and Sporkify, that's a great find. I REALLY should go buy that book just for the preview chapters. xP
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The stars are part of a ranking system, so it depends on how this site is set up. My guess is it is mod/admin set, based upon brown nosing. Some of the forums I have been apart of had some real weird rankings. One had a ranking based upon how many times you posted using the secret 'word of the week'. On another forum, they awarded golf style: the more stars the worse your posts (It was great because some people thought they were real popular or something only to find out they were just outted trolls).
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Hmmm...Just had a "Site Hacked, debating whether to try fixing" message pop up when I tried to come here. So should we assume that the forum changes are a result of the hack, or that the hack is the result of the forum changes?
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Hmmm...Just had a "Site Hacked, debating whether to try fixing" message pop up when I tried to come here. So should we assume that the forum changes are a result of the hack, or that the hack is the result of the forum changes?
Earlier I thought they had done a joke hack like they were going to announce something big etc. but then I saw the bad language at the bottom and knew the site had been hacked. SMF used to be pretty stable until it became popular, then all the haxors came out. Not sure if it got hacked because of forum changes, but it seems weird that the changes occured and then it got hacked.
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Most people missed the little while when there was NO style. It was just like text, no images. THEN there was the basic layout that we have now. Then it was all one big image that said "Hacked By Such and such group" Then there was a bunch of Arabic writing on it and the image was animated kinda stuff. Then it came back to what we have now. :/
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So someone hacked in changed everything just for fun and left? And why do I have so many stars? Is it random?
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They stars are set by SOME parameter, what that is I have no clue. ha ha.
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Progression toward insanity?
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So nobody knows what happened to the forum site? Very odd.
I can't think of a single multi-volume fantasy series where the first primary character introduced ISN'T the major hero of the story. Of course, Kelsier is dead, so the next character introduced is Vin, and it is clear to me why Kelsier's setup had to come first. Comparing Vin with Elend, we know much more background on her, and more internal POV, than Elend or anyone else. Fantasy heros are very often orphans or outcasts with very hard upbringings, as is Vin's case, but Elend is neither, being instead a pampered dandy who just happens to have an honorable heart. Elend doesn't appear until well into the first volume, and doesn't get a great amount of "air-time" until quite late in the book.
Then there is also the cover art, who do we find featured?
Answering another post, Rashek never thought himself the HoA, that was Alendi. Rashek knew quite well that he was a pretender, he never felt the pulses of the WoA, but he apparently took the Power Pill after backstabbing Alendi.
It's Vin. Her boy toy may have become awesome, but he's not the Hero.
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But Vin proved to be just as much a false hero as Alendi did. I'm thinking more and more along the lines that the mist spirit is the one writing the bumps, and thus is the hero of ages.
Progression toward insanity?
That would explain it ::) ??? :o
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The more you talk about the more it makes sense that the Mist Spirit would be the bump writer.
Also, it is semi-omniscient and the Mist Spirit DOES seem to know a lot.
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I still think it's Rashek, and since chaos isn't here I'll advocate that he thinks so too.
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That would be cheating, my friend.
I also don't think it would be Rashek. Even if he does think he actually is the hero of ages (which I'm not convinced of), he wouldn't say "unfortunately," he'd considerate it an honour and fitting that he be the hero of ages.
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Maybe he originally did, then for the first while after his ascension things were good then he became tyrannical and though, 'Why the hell do I have to put up with their whining and asking me to do everything?' So then he became evil. So it COULD be him.
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I think that it's Rashek after having ruled the world for like 500 years. He'd be pretty tired of things by then, giving cause for the "I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages."
And stating chaos' opinion for him is not cheating. He actually does think that. I think. That's what I remember anyway. I seem to remember a post from him that said he thought it was Rashek and would until offered proof otherwise. So it's not cheating. Besides, if I'm wrong, he'll come back and tell everyone I'm an idiot, and I'll get what I deserve.
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No, even when Vin killed him, he still viewed himself as god's (or his own, since he called himself a sliver of infinity) gift to humanity, thus he would not view his status as the hero to be unfortunate, thus the writer is not him.
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He doesn't have to think he is fortunate or anything like that to think that he is God's gift to humanity or whatever. He knows that he is pretty much the only thing holding ruin back (we think) and so he would take that view. That doesn't mean he enjoys it. He might as well give himself a few cool titles to try to spice his life up a bit...
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But this isn't jsut any title. This is The Hero of Ages. Rashek probably dreamed of being the hero all his young life, and he thinks it should be a terrisman and not Alendi. He WANTS to be the hero of ages. I don't care that he's lived a thousand years, I know he's probably tired and PO'd at the world, but he still wouldn't think that being the Hero is unfortunate. Thus it is not him writing the bumps.
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I think he's revised his opinion on what it means to be the hero of ages. And when I say title, I was actually referring to the 'sliver of infinity' deal.
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Hello to everyone.
I am both new to the forum and new to Brandon's writing.
After having read all of my books and being bored until new ones came out, I picked up Elantris, read it in one night, and then picked up Mistborn 1 & 2, read it the following night.
Once those were done, I found myself waiting once again for another book, so I went searching for more Mistborn info and talk and came upon this forum.
I must admit that I have been reading a lot of your posts and find that the majority of them are quite valid.
Now on to the topic at hand:
After having read many of the posts, I have the following questions/comments:
1. Unless Alendi is in fact not dead a thousand years ago, he can't be the present Hero of Ages.
2. I do not believe that Elend is the Hero of Ages. I agree with Accident that it is common for the protagonist of a series to be introduced in the first couple of chapters and for them to get many POV's. Elend wasn't introduced until later in the first book and he did not get a POV until the end of the first book. I believe he is important, just not the Hero of Ages.
3. I don't believe that Rashek could have been the Hero of Ages because basically, he died. How can someone be the Hero of Ages who lived a thousand years and be killed by a girl who only really discovered her Allomantic powers a couple of years ago?
4. I believe Vin is the Hero of Ages as we know that concept to be. She was being called by the Well of Ascension and she has been able to do things with Allomancy that nobody else has been able to do for a presumably long time.
Finally, I don't believe that what we understand to be the Hero of Ages is really the Hero of Ages from the third book. Remember that Ruin has altered the mythology of the Terris people explaining the Hero of Ages for both the Alendi in the past and Vin in the present. I am just not convinced that we understand who or what the Hero of Ages really is meant to be or do.
Maybe I am just confusing things but the entire Hero of Ages thing seems a little weird to me.
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Well, the thing is, for what we were discussing, the person doesn't have to be the hero of ages, they just have to think they are. So Rashek is still in the running there.
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Many of our theories are based upon the belief that Rashek killed Alendi. Vin whispers 'Rashek' to the Lord Ruler and he gets startled. That is the only piece of evidence (that I am aware) that the Lord Ruler was in fact Rashek. The immediate response we get from him is 'You know nothing!' 'You know nothing of that!'
Alendi heard whispers stating that if he failed, another would finish his task.
We need to keep these two things in mind when thinking about the Hero of Ages. It's possible that Alendi had succeeded and became the Lord Ruler. He mentions that he had even killed his own friends, so Lord Ruler behavior isn't a stretch. And since he hears whispers that another would finish his task IF he failed, then maybe he's A Hero of Ages as opposed to THE Hero of Ages, meaning that someone else could take up the title after him. Kind of like 'The President of the United States'; where many still refer to them by their title when they no longer hold office.
Just throwing more against the wall for people to sift through.
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But when Vin burns Malatium, she sees a TERRIS PACKMAN, when looking at the Lord Ruler, meaning he is Rashek. Sazed alos mentions the language they speak now is originally similar to Terris, if Alendi was the lord ruler he would have used Khlennium, we know Rashek was instructed to kill Alendi. I think it would be too much of a twist, for one of the biggest twists in book one to be false, also, Alendi isn't a feruchemist, the lord ruler is.
As for Coof, welcome, and when we were discussing Alendi as the Hero of Ages, we're talking about him being the OLD hero. We don't know when these bumps are written, thus they could be written by him. I doubt this since the bumps in book one are written by him. Andrew, yes Rashek thinks he is the hero, but for the hundredth time, to him that wouldn't be a bad thing! So he wouldn't say unfortunately. I agree the Lord Ruler thing works with the whole clinical look at the world, and who knows lots about allomancy and feruchemy and hemalurgy, but he would not say unfortunately. Based on this I think the mist Spirit is my next guess.
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He wouldn't say unfortunately at first. After 500 years of ruling the world, putting down rebellion after rebellion, doing the same thing every day, and associating all that with being the hero of ages...you'd say unfortunately.
And if there's any doubt as to whether the lord ruler is in fact Rashek after Coma's post, this should clear it up.
So, my favorite secret in the novel is the fact that the Lord Ruler is actually Rashek.
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Thank-you Andrew? You agreed with me. Wow. I know it's hard to disagree with things that are obviously true but still. Don't make it a habit though, I enjoy our debates ;)
I see what you are saying Andrew. Yes the Lord Ruler is tired of putting down rebellion after rebellion. I can see how he could become tired of being God emperor, I can see how he could become tired of constantly protecting the people. I can see that. I think your theory has merit, and might very well be true. But I don't think that Rashek would get tired of being the Hero of Ages. I could very well be wrong (you are sort of starting to convince me), but I don't think Rashek would say that. After the next couple of bumps though, I'm fairly certain we will see who the writer is (Look I'm coming around. What's happening here.)
Not budging on the obsidian though. Sorry.
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Oh don't worry. I'll be happy to debate with you the next time you're not clearly right. I just happen to agree completely with you on that issue.
And the only problem I have with the mist spirit writing the bumps is that, quite frankly, we know nothing about the mist spirit. I tend to shy away from theories that involve making everything up, unless they make a whole lot of sense to me. I have a (in my opinion) plausible alternative to your mist spirit theory, that I feel is more likely, so I go with that. Until I see something I like more. For instance, if someone were to come up with a way that made sense for some random character like OreSuer to write the bumps, I'd have to go with that just for coolness.
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I suppose technically the mist spirit could write the bumps. It can hold a knife, at least. But you would think it would be writing in the sand to Vin USE THE POWER or something if it could.
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... if someone were to come up with a way that made sense for some random character like OreSuer to write the bumps, I'd have to go with that just for coolness.
Ooh, that WOULD be cool! And now that you mention it, it doesn't seem impossible. Kandra are the only ones to have a separate religion that survived, so clearly there are things they know that no one else does - that's almost like omniscience. OreSeur is the Hero of Ages. When TenSoon took his bones, OreSeur took the bones of someone else - maybe Demoux. Eventually he'll convince all the humans to destroy each other using the koloss as their pawns. Then when the kandra are all that's left, he'll be their leader and the world will be preserved forever. He'll then start to miss being a wolfhound, and will regret being the Hero of Ages; thus, the much-disputed "unfortunately". (The bumps take place in the future.) I like it!
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I suppose technically the mist spirit could write the bumps. It can hold a knife, at least. But you would think it would be writing in the sand to Vin USE THE POWER or something if it could.
I never thought of that. . . why DIDN'T the Mist Spirit just do that? I mean it COULD use the knife. . . maybe it doesn't speak the same language. :/
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Nobody said Rashek was power hungry. He may have thought that Alendi didn't deserve to be the Hero of Ages, but that doesn't mean he wanted the power, himself. So it could be him, shortly after he ascended, and knowing he's not the one everyone's expecting, or wanting, but he's the one who stopped the deepness.
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I think it's Rashek, because it makes the most sense. As Brandon recently pointed out in the blog, it's a "story within a story" and we've heard from two of the three main characters in that story--Kwaan and Alendi--so it makes sense for Rashek to be the third. Not to mention that we need to know what Rashek did at the Well in order to figure out how Vin and Elend put the world back right.
However, I think Rashek's been misled. In WoA, Kwaan tells us that his last hope is to convince Rashek to kill Alendi to prevent Alendi from giving up the power. From Rashek's point of view, he believes he is the Hero (at least at the point in time he writes the bump) because that's what Kwaan tells him. I think Kwaan's strategy is to tell Rashek he's the Hero of Ages, as well as what to do at the Well (even more than just "don't give up the power plzkthx"). But either something goes wrong, or there's something Rashek can't do because he's not a hemalurgist, and ended up with the world of the Final Empire. For the "unfortunately"? Rashek was jealous of Alendi, but having the fate of the world on your back can put things into perspective, particularly if, as I believe, part of Kwaan's instructions included that Rashek might die/would have to constantly maintain the fight against Ruin or the Deepness for a thousand years/something similarly bleak.
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Maybe Rashek was misled, but he's still not a nice guy.There's been a couple people now saying, that it was just his circumstances, that poor Rashek couldn't help becoming a power hungry (yes I think he is power hungry. Once he retrapped Ruin and drove back the deepness, he didn't HAVE to take over the world and reshape it), oppressive, tyrant. Rashek was a bad man, you see this by the way he oppressed the skaa and was willing to kill thousands of them. You can say, oh he's just tired of the world because he's lived so long, well no one's making him keep all his power for himself. Bringing him down might not have been the best thing, but it was a good thing.
Sorry about that rant.
Anyways, Rashek writing the bumps is possible, but where are these writing located in the story? Where do the heroes find them, statlin?
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Maybe Rashek was misled, but he's still not a nice guy.
I really agree with you. In fact, I think Kwaan chose Rashek precisely because he wasn't a good man. And at the same time, it's part of the great mystery of what Rashek did and what he was supposed to do at the Well.
As for where they find his logbook, it's quite possible that it's somewhere in Kredik Shaw or Statlin City or even the Conventical. Or maybe the main characters stumble upon the ruins of Khlennium or simply a noble family's library in Luthadel. Another parallel favoring Rashek for the bump writer is that Alendi's logbook was key in Final Empire and Kwaan's rubbing was likewise in Well of Ascention. It would make sense that something written by Rashek about what he did at the Well and begin the Final Empire would serve as a key plot component in Hero of Ages.
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Too true, I agree that Rashek will be key, I think he was the person who ended up knowing the most about the situation, thus it would be beneficial for the group to find out what was going on. Like Sazed (or was it Marsh) said at the end of book one, "the only person who could have answered that question died this morning.
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OK. I'm playing off what Andrew(?) said in another thread.
EUOL said that the bump writer was nearly omniscient.
If the Atium used in Hemalurgy COULD be used to see way into the future, maybe Rashek DID know what was going to happen and new that because he 'was the Here' that he would have to die? And now he's telling us about everything in the world in the bumps?
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Brandon said near omnicient (and as someone who's very bothered by typos and grammar injustices, you should check your post over. (This coming from the guy who just used one set of brackets within another. This sentence is like a math equation. :P)), so that could refer to the Lord Ruler. And also someone who knows pretty much everything about Allomancy and Hemalurgy. I'm still not sold that Atium with hemalurgy let's you see super far into the future and let's you know what's going to happen because that sounds like predetermined destiny, and to me, this book is very against this, as the future is very undetermined in mistborn. Atium itself is an example of this, if two people are using atium, they are shown all the possibilites that could happen. Vin even proves that her future is not pre determined when she fights Zane, and creates her own double Atium shadow, without using it herself.
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Actually whereas 'near' was describing 'was' it's correct form would be 'nearly,' because I was describing the verb. HUZAH!
Yeah, that is a good point. I guess he could have changed the fact that he died. :/ I dunno.
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so i guess we are kinda assuming that once Rashek killed Alendi he took his piercings? Do we have any evidence for or against the ability to do that?
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No we don't really. BUT he could have made Alendi teach him about Hemalurgy before he killed him and then made his own piercings.
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then how do we leap from Alendi saying he holds the future on his arms to Rasheks piercings unless they are the same ones?
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We're kind of grasping at a thread there (and Miyabi, I was just teasing of course, and I was referring to how you used 'new,' instead of 'knew.' I had just finished reading the grammar police topic before I wrote that :).
I'm still not sold on the bracers being both feruchemical AND hemalurgic (what fun words, did we make those up?). You'll have to convince me. I wonder... what would happen if Vin swallowed and burned her earring?
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Oh dang. . . I feel really dumb now. ha ha.
I like the idea of the fusing of Feruchemy and Hemalurgy (Yes we did make up all of the tenses of these words on the boards. HUZZAH! (Woah! According to Firefox spell check huzzah is a real word?)) We've seen it go Ferchemy -> Allomancy . . . . Why couldn't it go Feruchemy -> Hemalurgy? I dunno.
Burning her earring. . . hmm. Wouldn't she have to have something stored there?
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That's with a feruchemy allomancy mix, I'm wondiring what happens if you burn something that has hemalurgic power in it.
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*feels retarded*
Hmmm. . . that sounds pretty intense. . . like would it be super super allomancy? ha ha.
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I dunno. We know that the result of all three is the Lord Ruler. MAybe that's why he has no piercings (besides the bracers), he pierced himself with hemalurgy and then burned the piercings, taking his hemalurgy within himself so that he had no weaknesses, and noone could take his hemalurgy from him. And that's why he makes the inquisitors spikes huge, and builds the whole back spike weakness thing into them, so that they can never do what he did. It would be a very Lord Ruler-ish thing to do I think.
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I don't think we know for sure that TLR had no piercing, just none that were visible. Maybe they were hidden under his bracers, or maybe they were on his ankles, so that nobody could see. Also, I think a piercing could be under the skin, I mean all a piercing needs to be a piercing is to pierce the skin, maybe he pierced the sking then let his skin heal over it. Just thinking
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Yeah, I think he just put the piercings in other places to keep from getting killed easily. . . or maybe the Lunch pin isn't necessary, but TLR required the Inquisitors to have them?
OH OH OH! This could cause our heroes a lot of problems if the Inquisitors figure that out, or already know and are making new Inquisitors without Lynch Pins. . . . they will be MUCH harder to kill now.
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That would cause problems indeed. I think the Lord Ruler made sure they had that weakness, so they couldn't turn on him.
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Yes, but what now that he is gone?
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Hmmm. If you burned something that had hemalurgical properties (term coined by Chaos, since coma was wondering), I wonder if it may not give you the ability to use hemalurgy like...all the time... passively?
But that's an interesting concept.
BTW, I'm proud to claim the word feruchemial as my own.
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Nicely done, and I should have known it was chaos. I still remember his monster post on the new metals, it was great! Does anyone know when he's getting back?
That thing about Hemalurgy is about what I was thinking, and I was wondering if that wasn't what the Lord Ruler did.
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I'm going to college on the 27th, but unfortunately, I need to pack up my computer tonight. So I won't be posting until that date because I obviously won't have my computer until then :P
Just thought I'd let someone know before mysteriously vanishing.
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Could you imagine Vin burning Hemalurgic Pewter along with Duralumin? HOLY JESUS! ha ha! That could get intense!.
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I hat to bring everybody down on this, but I just don't see any evidence that a metal infised with another magic sustem's power being used by Allomancy.
Vin couldn't use Sazed's Feruchemical ring that she tried to swallow.
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This is what TLR did. He used gold that he stored age in with Feruchemy then burned it Allomantically.
Also, the reason Vin wouldn't be able to use Sazed's is because she would be breaking one of the rules of Feruchemy; it wasn't HER Metalmind. Therefore the Feruchemy didn't work. If she could, like TLR, use her OWN Metalmind and burn it, or in our theorizing, her Hemalurgic piercing, then she could do something more than normal Allomancy/Hemalurgy.
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That's true, I don't know why I didn't remeber that. That was really dumb on my part
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And it's Atium, not gold miyabi ;).
And what if the Lord Ruler stored some strength in hemalurgic pewter, and then burned it, with duralumin?
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I haven't unpacked my books since getting home, but I'm pretty sure it was gold because it stores age.
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No, Gold stores health. Atium stores age.
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Oh yes. Sorry, I had them backwards.
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So after reading the conversation so far It seems that I agree with most of what has been said. I guess the question is, if Vin could burn a metal with hemalurgical properties what would be the result. We know that TLR burned his metal minds and increased his abilities powers but would it be the same with hemalurgy. Too many questions with no real answers.
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It's purely hypothetical anyways, I doubt it will happen in the book, but you never know.
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I understand its hypothetical but Im interested in the possabilities
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Progression toward insanity?
That would explain it
Somehow, I have four stars and now Coma only has one...
I think that it's Rashek after having ruled the world for like 500 years. He'd be pretty tired of things by then, giving cause for the "I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages."
And stating chaos' opinion for him is not cheating. He actually does think that. I think. That's what I remember anyway. I seem to remember a post from him that said he thought it was Rashek and would until offered proof otherwise. So it's not cheating. Besides, if I'm wrong, he'll come back and tell everyone I'm an idiot, and I'll get what I deserve.
It's definitely not cheating. That was my opinion, and Andrew got it spot-on. Since he gave me credit for it, I have no problems with it at all :D.
However, I'm now thinking that it's not as true as before. The "unfortunately" doesn't seem like the tyrannical Lord Ruler we all know and love--er, I mean, hate. It sounds a LOT more reminiscent of Alendi's logbook writing than an angry overlord.
The epigraphs don't need to be written by Rashek. In fact, it seems slightly anticlimactic for it to be Rashek now. Anybody can figure out that Rashek thinks that he is the Hero--that is not especially surprising. I believe MB3 will be so chock-full of surprises we will look at these topics and feel very, very silly. It could be that Brandon wants us to think that the epigraphs are written by Rashek, when in fact it is all an illusion. And then in some miraculously awesome plot twist, we figure out who the real Hero is. It could all be smoke and mirrors...
Of course, I have no idea who else it could be, so I'm going with Rashek, even though nowadays its looking like my theories all have major, major flaws in them. I'm just going to stick with them because they haven't been proven otherwise, and I want to try to remain grounded with the facts we know and not go too far off into never-never land.
For future reference, though... I hereby declare Andrew as the Executor of my Opinions when I am gone. You know, like an executor of someone's last will, only with fan theories.
Oh don't worry. I'll be happy to debate with you the next time you're not clearly right. I just happen to agree completely with you on that issue.
And the only problem I have with the mist spirit writing the bumps is that, quite frankly, we know nothing about the mist spirit. I tend to shy away from theories that involve making everything up, unless they make a whole lot of sense to me. I have a (in my opinion) plausible alternative to your mist spirit theory, that I feel is more likely, so I go with that. Until I see something I like more. For instance, if someone were to come up with a way that made sense for some random character like OreSuer to write the bumps, I'd have to go with that just for coolness.
It's funny, I'm going through the pages and quoting-commenting on the ones that come up first, so I didn't see this until just now. Yup, Andrew and I think very similarly about these out-there theories. :D
I think it's Rashek, because it makes the most sense. As Brandon recently pointed out in the blog, it's a "story within a story" and we've heard from two of the three main characters in that story--Kwaan and Alendi--so it makes sense for Rashek to be the third. Not to mention that we need to know what Rashek did at the Well in order to figure out how Vin and Elend put the world back right.
However, I think Rashek's been misled. In WoA, Kwaan tells us that his last hope is to convince Rashek to kill Alendi to prevent Alendi from giving up the power. From Rashek's point of view, he believes he is the Hero (at least at the point in time he writes the bump) because that's what Kwaan tells him. I think Kwaan's strategy is to tell Rashek he's the Hero of Ages, as well as what to do at the Well (even more than just "don't give up the power plzkthx"). But either something goes wrong, or there's something Rashek can't do because he's not a hemalurgist, and ended up with the world of the Final Empire. For the "unfortunately"? Rashek was jealous of Alendi, but having the fate of the world on your back can put things into perspective, particularly if, as I believe, part of Kwaan's instructions included that Rashek might die/would have to constantly maintain the fight against Ruin or the Deepness for a thousand years/something similarly bleak.
I'm definitely liking that idea. If Kwaan told Rashek he was the Hero, Rashek would not have questioned it because it would have strengthened his own views.
I'm still not sold on the bracers being both feruchemical AND hemalurgic (what fun words, did we make those up?).
I thought the word of the day (and apparently, every day) was "Hemalurgical" when I used that word in nearly every single sentence in an early post. "Hemalurgical" sounds cooler than just "hemalurgic".
That's with a feruchemy allomancy mix, I'm wondiring what happens if you burn something that has hemalurgic power in it.
That's not--at least, under my model (and Andrew's model, too! His model is virtually the same, only less insane!). Hemalurgy doesn't inherently give the metal a power reserve: that's what Feruchemy does, and Feruchemy alone. I prefer to think of Hemalurgy as using the metals as lightning-rods to "burn" the latent energy inside the body, making it something of an opposite to Allomancy.
If you burned something that had hemalurgical properties (term coined by Chaos, since coma was wondering), I wonder if it may not give you the ability to use hemalurgy like...all the time... passively?
Oh! Now I get it. Burning a metal that was hemalurgically imbued via a sacrificed. For the sake of consistency, let's just call that variety of metal an "Infused" metal (so we don't get it confused with metalminds [the reserves of Feruchemy], which was what I thought Comatose was talking about. Silly me.).
That... could explain a lot. It could explain how Hemalurgy seems so similar to Allomancy, because in fact, whenever someone uses Hemalurgy (like an Inquisitor), it could really be that they are burning an imbued metal. Much like how the Lord Ruler fused Feruchemy and Allomancy--which gave him a colossally expanded repetoire of abilities--Hemalurgy plus Allomancy could be what we've been seeing all this time! It's always appeared like Inquisitors had a form of enhanced Allomancy... and wouldn't that be exactly what burning an imbued metal would do?
For this theory to work, Inquisitors would need to be Allomancers (and Allomancers who were not formed by some bizarre Hemalurgical ritual that we don't know about yet) separately from Hemalurgists. The sacrifices imbue the metal, which the Inquisitors then can burn.
The interesting part of this idea is that while it shows how Inquisitors use Allomancy in an enhanced way, it doesn't really show the basic properties of Hemalurgy, which is the thing we are having the most trouble with discovered at the moment. It makes a ton of sense!
And this theory should absolutely be talked about in the Hemalurgy thread.
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you know, its very possible the epigraphs in MB3 haven't been written yet. Like, Vin is searching through Sazed's room and finds a journal of some type he's been working on...just my random thought of the day.
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you know, its very possible the epigraphs in MB3 haven't been written yet. Like, Vin is searching through Sazed's room and finds a journal of some type he's been working on...just my random thought of the day.
Wait, I'm slightly confused about your post. Does that mean Sazed is writing this journal you are referring to?
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He's saying it's possible that this epigraph is not yet written. It will be written by one of the characters, then discovered by the others.
I still like Rashek better.
For future reference, though... I hereby declare Andrew as the Executor of my Opinions when I am gone. You know, like an executor of someone's last will, only with fan theories.
I'm honored....*tears up*...*regains composure* Yeah, that title is definitely going in my signature.....there we go.
And the hemalurgy allomancy combination thingy.... I think that it makes sense, but in order for it to work, inquisitors would also have to be able to use hemalurgy and allomancy individually. That way, inquisitors wouldn't have to pull something with iron every time they wanted to access iron's hemalurgical ability.