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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: GreenMonsta on July 30, 2008, 10:07:25 PM
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I dont know if anyone here is a Sword of Turth fan but i thought i would post this to allow readers a view at what is to come from the series of Goodkind novels. http//www.sword-of-truth.com (http://www.sword-of-truth.com)
Please let me be the first to state that Richards character is so far the most dissapointing thing ive experienced in as long as i can remember
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Wow, I know that this is only TV and all, but man...that looked really awful.
It's pretty indicative of the acting when they couldn't find any better examples to put in the trailer. And, for all of you that haven't read the books, Richard is a large man. Tapping an anorexic emo to play him seems like a bad idea.
Gah.
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O.K. Disney??? Did any execs over at Disney actually read these books? They are loaded with scenes of explicit sexual torture....
Not a bad cast for Kahlan but horrible job on Richards character. This series, imo, would make for a good TV series or movie but the fact that it is Disney means it will be extremely watered down and thus bad. Which is pretty dissapointing. Only positive thing is that it is Sam Raimi directing. Evil Dead anyone?
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I have never read the books and have no desire to read them. But after seeing that trailer, I'll probably check out at least the first episode of the series. :)
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lawl.
You know the creators of the George R R Martin series just heaved a collective sigh of relief and looked at each other saying, "Hell, there's NO WAY we could possibly do worse that that!"
This is full of so much fail. Epic fail. It's fitting.
lawl.
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I find it so dissapointing. I mean they could have made a good movie or show about the first book alone. Instead they decided that they wanted to make a new "Zena Warrior Princess" out of one of the better Epic fantasies. Disney I mean really the only reason they are still around is because they helped Pixar in the begining.
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Well if they make it another zena/hercules most the country will say they hate it but it will run for 6 years and get a huge fan base.
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I heard about the Sword of Truth series on IMDb a loooong time ago, but never really checked back in until recently. Saw the trailer and was pretty disappointed. The changing of the name, the horrible miscasting, Disney....it goes on and on. Don't get me wrong, I've read all the books, but I'm not an uber-fan. It's still a little disappointing when something I've read and enjoyed gets seemingly butchered. (I say seemingly because, well, the show hasn't aired yet. I'll give it a chance, but that's all it's getting 8) )
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I have been reading that series for a long time. At first it felt more adult than Robert Jordan's, but I think that was just a childish mistake at what adult actually meant. The Sword of Truth series really stopped holding anything for me when Goodkind's book became more about preaching his philosophy than taking his characters on the journey that they were actually going on. I am definitely still curious where they end up, but have much more pressing matters to attend to...like re-grouting my bathroom.
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I keep wanting to start it, but every time I go to the store Wizard's First Rule isn't in and I'm too lazy to order it.
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I am a an of the entire series and I am REALLY disapointed in the everything I just saw.
Skar you are right, Richard is supposed to be massively muscular. Able to kill you with his bare hands. He is supposed to be at home in the woods. This guy is tiny, and seems like he would be scared of his own shadow at night.
And the scene where Kahlan releases her power! A confessor's power supposed to be a concussion with no sound. Everybody is supposed to feel this in her vicinity. And the scene where you see her fighting seems like the one at the beginning of book one where shee is running from the Quad, looking for the first wizard. She doesn't have a sword there and she runs into Richard who saves her, she doesn't fight them,
This is so frustrating, reading what Terry wrote and seeing that crap on screen.
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Huh. I have just found this abandoned thread here full of disappointed people. Well, I would certainly encourage anyone to at least give them a chance! In general I do really like the scenes they showed us so far. There are of course many objectionable things if you would like to criticize. Instead, I try to accept changes as long as they are reasonable. In fact, I'm expecting to get some more story insights and additions. I hope it will have a long run and they will be able to breath some new life into the weaker volumes of this otherwise very good series. I sincerely hope and look forward to actually see the Faith of the Fallen in this TV show. I'm a huge fan and supporter of Nicci's character. I love her.
Concerning the actors, I can absolutely approve Bridget Regan to the role of Kahlan. She is amazingly beautiful and mystical in her white dress. I foresee that she will help me to better understand Kahlan Amnell. I had problems with Craig Horner, too, but I hope he will be able to grow up to this task. Why not give him a chance? Perhaps it could work well.
I think they will soften and somewhat hide those brutal torture scenes in the story. It's enough to hint at them, because they are integral part of the storyline.
In conclusion I'm really excited about this show. Tomorrow we will get a 10 minute preview: The Making of a Legend!
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Wow well put there Arch. I agree with alot of the things you said. Yes I am disappointed about Horner and a couple other things but it is possable to strain something good out of what we have been given. I also hope that they will juice up some of the weaker novels. I could see Blood of the Fold and Temple of the Winds folded together. Not that Temple wasnt a great book but you couldnt put Fold with Stone of Tears because of shear volume. Also I feel that Faith of the Fallen was probably either my favorite or second favorite in the series.
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I think they will soften and somewhat hide those brutal torture scenes in the story. It's enough to hint at them, because they are integral part of the storyline.
With Disney/ABC I don't think that will be a problem. I look forward to seeing what they do with the storyline as well. Comes out Nov. 1st in my area.
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The series starts this weekend, but right now you can download the first 30 minutes of the show for free on iTunes.
It's 100% free and worth watching if you are interested what the show will be like.
It's pretty apparent from this first 30 minutes that shows they are radically changing some massive parts of the story.
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Yeah well that is to be expected unfortunately. But hey I think I will give the show a chance.
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I missed it. Was it any good? What are your opinions?
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Inquiring minds want to know =).
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Ok so I missed it on Saturday but I caught it at midnight lastnight. I almost don't know what to make of it. It is so radically different from the books that its almost like a different story. Alot of the content disappointed me in the end. I don't want to be negative but I find it hard not to be. I knew that they would be required to change things to fit in the "made for TV" format but they changed a lot of things that i don't feel were needed to be changed. Again I may be skewed seeing how I just finished my re-read of "Wizards First Rule" but man. I do encourage every one to watch so we can discuss and I am not done watching myself, I find it hard to give up on this series as of yet. I mean who knows there could be some good that comes out of it seeing how it was only the first epi.
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I will start searching for the episodes online, but it will probably Thursday before I can attempt to watch. Sad to hear that the first episode was disappointing, hopefully things will take an okay turn. Depending on how philosophically the show is motivated may mean I need to stop earlier rather than later. It would be nice to see an interesting incarnation of the story though.
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I watched the premiere episode last night.(man you gotta love DVRs) On a scale from 1-10 I would give it a 5. It was neat to watch them attempt to bring the story to life. However, they changed far too much of the original story for my liking.
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I watched the premiere episode last night.(man you gotta love DVRs) On a scale from 1-10 I would give it a 5. It was neat to watch them attempt to bring the story to life. However, they changed far too much of the original story for my liking.
It came on in my area last night, and I must say I was disappointed. I could have lived with some of the changes they did make or even with totally different ones. But, the character relationships are different, the theme didn't matter so much to me, but I really liked the character interactions. The only thing I did like were the fight scenes, fairly well choreographed with decent cinematography was the only thing that kept me watching. I mean I already know whats going to happen, at least in a general way, so make me care about the characters. Changing the story around the same plot line doesn't seem to work for me, I'll give one, maybe two more episodes then will more than likely give up on it. :'(
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I agree with Necro. I would have cared less if they changed the whole story but the characters are the most important part. I was devastated with how they attempted to portray some of them. For the most part I didnt even read the whole series for the story but for the characters and that is what dissapoints me the most.
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I just finished watching the first 2 episodes online. I thought it was alright. As a on screen adaptation of the books they are not that good but as a fantasy show it was better then I thought. I was kind of a fan of the books but they weren't my favorites. I can see that the stuff they cut out was important to the book but to catch the average viewer none of that stuff was necessary. Ill have to say that I liked it and i look forward to watching the whole series to see where they take it.
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My wife and I just watched the first episode last night and it was VERY VERY VERY different from the book.
Peter Jackson changed some things in his LotR adaptation, but the people in charge of this project are writing their own plots from scratch it seems!
I think they took all the original ideas from the book and threw them out, making it even more cliche than the original material.
**SPOILERS?**
In an attempt to garner non-fantasy fans, I think they dumbed the story down to the reluctant hero quest.
They made Richard too young, too skinny, and too immature. The man is supposed to be an experienced woodsman, with responsibility and confidence. Not a wimpy emo-kid with angst and pathetic-ness. They took an original character idea and boiled him down to a archtype of a completely different story.
Oh, and Darken Rahl.....Wow....Way to take a creepy villain and make him totally uncreepy. One, he is supposed to be blond and good looking, to belie his evil actions. They have him kill an advisor "just to show how bad he is" instead of taking the time to develop him. The actor they got for him is too bland.
Also, when they are chasing the bad guy who isn't even there.....dumb. And the firing catapults at the boundary? What??? Darken Rahl is supposed to have power over the land of the dead and is slowly toppeling the boundary.
It also seemed like the character of the witch woman was just thrown in to appease fans. She did absolutely nothing useful for the 'new' plot.
***END SPOILERS?***
I could understand some of the changes, they made sense in order to streamline the story for visual format. However, they zipped through a good third of the book IN THE FIRST EPISODE!
They could have made 2 or 3 GOOD episodes from the time period they covered in the first.
I'm going to watch some more episodes as I am curious how they are going to dig themselves out of the plotholes they created for themselves.
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I agree one hundred percent with what you said. Its almost like this show is based lightly on some of Goodkinds ideas but it seems it is loosing the best parts of the story. I for one only read the whole series because of the characters, if they didnt have the great character development of Richard or Kahlan I would have stopped reading at Pillars of Creation because god knows that book was awful. I will also watch a few more epi's to see what happens but I for one dont hold out much hope.
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Yeah I may give it another shot but I think the end of the premiere hinted at some very awful things to come. What I mean is, as many of you have mentioned, they sped through the whole first book in order to place Richard, Kahlan, and Zed on the other side of the boundary. That's a mistake in itself but one of the very last lines is something along the lines of "This is an even darker place with much evil to combat"(not an actual quote but it was something close to that). So, it appears to me that the very weak link to the original story is about to get even thinner. I see them going across the Midlands facing various and random evils and setting them right, which would have nothing to do with the original story. I really hoped that this would be good but....yeah I don't see that happening. I questioned before why Disney would want to do this considering some of the darker aspects of the story and thus I really had my doubts about how good it would be. It's like you mentioned before Green/PlantationMonsta, that Richard never forgets Denna and the things she did and that is an integral part of Richard's character. How in the hell is Disney ever going to portray that part of Richard's character arc?
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Its funny. That alone is probably one of the most important things that ever happens to Richard. That and may be the whole Kahlan making him put on the collar and go to the Sisters of the Light. I mean it is so integral to the character that Richard becomes that you wouldn't be able to understand his character without it. It gives him his threshold for pain and his understanding of forgiveness. It also teaches him to turn the blade white. Forgive me if I vomit because watching this show destroy a really good series makes me loose respect for Goodkind and Rami. And that's not even mentioning that it makes me wish that it never made it this far into production. I would rather people who haven't read the books to have not heard about it at all then to be introduced to it in this manner.
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Just saw episode 3 last night.....
Wow....Talk about leaving the book behind. At first I thought they were skipping way to the end where Richard is caught in the cave and we meet Denna. (made even worse by the girl being dressed in red) I got really nervous.
The entire episode was superfluous and completely made up.
The map thing was fun as an idea, but very strange within the context of the book.
They keep using that necklace in the wrong way. (though the map idea was CLOSER to the method the book used than anything else, but not close enough)
I'm still not sure how they are going to defeat Darken Rahl now. The show has opened so many plot holes....
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Yikes.....Episode 4 did NOT improve my oppinion of this show. I spend most of the time gritting my teeth and flinching.
Not only because of the departures from the story, but just from the bad writing in general...I feel like they got a good cast, but that the writers need to be taken off life-support...
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I missed epi#4 but my friend downloaded it and I'm gonna watch it sometime soon. I find it harder and harder to watch this show. Not only because I'm a fan but because I'm in the middle of a re-read of the series. I finished Wizards First rule and Stone of Tears two weeks ago and I'm about half way done with Blood of The Fold (and BotF is better than I remember). Having all of the first two and a half book freshly in my memory I can hardly keep from dry heaving every time this show starts. Funny story, last Saturday I was out at a bar with my brother and some friends when I looked up and two out of the ten flat screens were airing epi#4. I did in fact almost choke on my drink. When that is the type of response they are getting from huge fans of the books then I hope that they are getting enough people who like crappy TV to watch so they can at least pay their bills.
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I haven't gotten a chance to read The Sword of Truth and this show didn't help pushing me any closer to reading the series. Luckily, my friends say it's amazing, and that the show is pretty much an embarrassment to the world that Goodkind created.
If you can't tell, I think the show has been disappointing. I didn't watch episode because I decided to watch Jeff Dunham's special instead. It seems I made the right choice.
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Catching up on this thread I can see I am not missing anything by just continuing to ignore the existence of this show. That honestly makes me sad.
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Yeah. I got through the first one, but I could no longer stomach the thought of watching another, so that was that and no more.
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Anyone else still watching?
We keep watching...and then wonder why we bother. We grimace and groan a lot during each episode....
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I was very excited when I heard this TV show was coming out, but like most of you, I am abysmally disappointed in their portrayal of this story. Every episode I've seen I think "was the story behind this episode even in the book?". It's been years since I've read Sword of Truth, but it seems to me like the episodes aren't even stories from the book. They're just completely made up.
Having said that, I now realize this show isn't about the story from the book. This is a B List show that takes place in the Sword of Truth universe, akin to Hercules or Xena. If you enjoy watching Hercules or Xena then you may enjoy this show. The catch is if you try and connect anything from this TV show to the book. It just doesn't work.
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Anyone else still watching?
We keep watching...and then wonder why we bother. We grimace and groan a lot during each episode....
No, I'm not going to waste time hoping it will get better. I've got a lot of writing to do, it would have been a welcome distraction but they ruined it for me.
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You know, I am glad that they changed the title to "Legend of the Seeker". I was told originally it was supposed to be called "Wizards First Rule". That would have angered me seeing how this show has almost nothing in common with any of the books. I do have to say that when I was in Boarders the other day ALL of the covers for Wizards First Rule had been changed to a screenshot from the show. I had to swallow to keep from vomitting. I have followed the show so far and I regret it every episode. My main problem is that I won't stop watching even though I think I should. I think I'm sick or something.
Any one see the epi where Zedd gets captured by one of his student wizards and the wizard ends up using same stone that the Sisters of the Dark used to drain a wizards magic on him. I was disgusted. And is there even any references to the magic of Orden? Because if there is I completely miss them all. I will regretfully continue to watch even though it makes me want to cry.
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Well I'm glad I decided to not watch it lol. Sounds like it is pretty bad.
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Any one see the epi where Zedd gets captured by one of his student wizards and the wizard ends up using same stone that the Sisters of the Dark used to drain a wizards magic on him. I was disgusted. And is there even any references to the magic of Orden? Because if there is I completely miss them all. I will regretfully continue to watch even though it makes me want to cry.
Yeah.....
As to the magic of Orden...I have seen NO mention of anything remotely resembling plot hooks for the first book. Rahl was mentioned in the first Episode to get them 'out of the Shire' (The first episode stayed the truest to the books (ehich isn't saying much)) but there have been no boxes mentioned....the book of Counted Shadows is gone....no mudpeople....wizards and magic abounding throughout. Plucky adventures wasting time instead of dealing with the true issues.
If this were truly the story from the book, then Rahl would already have won....
BUT no...you are right.. they are playing it out like Xena. It doesn't work that way... :P
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For what it's worth, I actually liked Xena. :D
Don't think I'd like this show though, from all I'm hearing.
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For what it's worth, I actually liked Xena. :D
Don't think I'd like this show though, from all I'm hearing.
I too enjoyed Xena for a long time, but it wasn't labeled as an adaptation of a wellknown book series... :D
The last episode of the Seeker actually showed SOME promise. Besides the requisite 'random non-book-based quest' they actually brought out a box of Orden! It is about time. Though I do like how the introduced the box in the show.
There is still way too much in the way of side quests and too little in the way of plot, but maybe things will turn around.... (right....)
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Even with Heroes being such a phenomenon, TV Execs cannot seem to understand the viewing public wants actual followable storyline and not just a random vignette every week.