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Title: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: The Incredible Thorbear on January 27, 2008, 03:07:49 AM
Brandon wrote in his blog that to his surprise he found that Nynaeve was his favorite character when he read the Eye of the World again for the first time in a few years...

I recently started to read the books again and just as Brandon I sympathised more with Rand, Mat and Perrin during my first read through of the series.. I might even go so far as to say I disliked the chapters with Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne...

however now that I'm reading it all again for the fifth time or so, the latest not longer than a year ago, I found that I find all the characters very interesting... and I sympathise a lot more with Moraine, Nynaeve and Siuan Sanche for example... I also think Rand, Mat and Perrin to be Wool-headed fools sometimes (especially Mat, whom I also find very selfish and whiny before Lord of Chaos)

but the thing that surprised me the most, I absolutly love Faile! She is the greatest, every chapter with her is a pleasure to read, I can't believe I ever found her enoying and boring.

So I wonder, how have all you others sympathis altered with the years? Which character makes more sense now than they did before?
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on January 28, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
Strictly speaking, this is less about Brandon's views, and more about books he didn't write, so I'm moving it. Please continue discussing it.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Comfortable Madness on January 28, 2008, 05:08:43 PM
I got to say that the one character that my thoughts changed the most on I as read was Mat. Especially, as I read through the series the first time. In the first couple of books he wanted to just be away from any form of responsibility and as far away from Rand as humanly possible. Then as I read on I realized that even though he really did want to do those things, in the end he would do what he had to. In the beginning I used to think Perrin was the coolest character in the book. However, as  I read on Mat began to slowly replace him as my favorite character, besides Rand, in the whole book. Perrin use to seem like the one that would always be there to help Rand out but after he finds Faile that begins to change in a hurry. Now it's Mat that leads the Dragonsworn armies for Rand and it is Mat who does, pretty much, does whatever Rand asks of him. Now as I finish reading the books for a second time Mat has nearly replaced Rand as my favorite character. As I read I find myself eagerly anticipating the next chapters that deal with Mat even though I already know whats going to happen...

A character that I have really begun to dislike is Elayne. I really could not stand the how mad she was that Rand thought he could "give" her Andor. I'm sorry I understand that she is the rightful queen and all but she would not have been able to take it back without Rand. There was kind of little problem of the Forsaken running the place until Rand stepped in. There is no way Elayne would have been able to beat Rahvin. So, I believe, that there is a thank you the Rand deserved but never got. She is also one of the many Aes Sedai whom are putting way to much energy into things not regarding the Final Battle....

As for a character that a lot of people don't like that I think is really awsome is Galad. I'm constantly defending how awesome he is to many of my friends who have read the series. Everyone just see's him as some goody-goody tattle. I however, think he is one of the coolest characters in all of the books and the scene with him dueling Eamon Valda is just fantastic!

Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: achren99 on January 28, 2008, 08:56:37 PM
I used to really like Rand, and I thought Min was funny and enjoyable to read about.  I since have hated them more and more with each book that comes out (even though I somewhat feel bad for Rand).

In the early books, Mat was selfish, but now he is my favorite character. 

I actually like Elayne and think Rand is a bit cocky and stupid to give her back Andor.  Yes, he did help her immensly, but the throne of Andor is something she has been raised her whole life to have, and then to have an outsider say "I give you back Andor" -- rubbed her the wrong way.  (Also, the politics of looking like a strong Queen to keep the country together would be thrown off by her saying "I accept your gift, thanks by the way," instead of showing that she always was the rightful owner.  He put her in a bad situation by insinuating that he could give her back her country.  I'm sure she is grateful for him helping her get rid of Rahvin, but politically, acting dependent on the Dragon Reborn would be a BAD step).

Considering Elayne was "dating" Rand first out of the three, I think that she treats him well considering the situation.  I, personally, would be enraged at him for sleeping with two other women before me, but oh well. 
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: VegasDev on January 29, 2008, 07:32:04 PM
Years ago I had started reading the WOT series but stopped after book 3 because I was tired of waiting for the next one and then having to read them all again just to get caught up.

I am now reading the series completely through (Just finished EotW), since I only have to wait for 1 book. It has been about 15 years since the last time I read Eye of the World. I don't even remember what happens through the books, but I do still get flashes of memory while I read. Like I will remember the look of a city before Jordan describes it in the book, or what a character looks like before they are introduced.

It's interesting to say the least. It is one thing to recognize someone you have met in person but you can't remember who they are or what their name is and when you do it all comes back in a flash. It is another to finally put a name to a face, a face constructed by descriptions in a book that you remember long after the events fade from memory. I guess that shows the kind of author Jordan is, that he paints the portrait of a person I would recognize if I saw them walking down the street.

Anyway, for me Rand, Mat and Perrin are exactly the same. Keep in mind, I have only finished rereading book 1. I still relate to them even though I am considered an 'old man' by comparison. I guess it's because I aged but did not grow up. I still put my foot in my mouth, skydive even though it scares me to death and fail to understand women. You would think after turning 35, having 2 knee reconstructions and 1 back surgery, I would stop living much of my life like a teenager. I didn't change, my responsibilities did.

The only person that really changed for me was Moraine. She's no longer the controlling older woman, she's the nagging know it all wife. <roflmao>
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Pygmalion on January 29, 2008, 10:38:04 PM
I actually have come to like Moiraine a lot more whenever I go back and read WoT. Especially after reading New Spring. when you finally understand her and her motives a little bit more.

And I also agree with Comfortable Madness about Elayne. *gag* I just can't stand her... I seriously hope she gets killed off in the last book. I need vindication for all the torture she put me through.

Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Krelian on January 30, 2008, 04:24:24 PM
I really don't agree with moving this topic.  Its an issue Brandon brought up on his own blog.  Wouldn't it make sense to discuss it in the Brandon Sanderson forum?  Plus, he's made more than one post about it and he is finishing the Wheel of Time, like it or not to those fans/friends of his, some of whom obviously don't seem to like that fact.

As for characters who have changed my feelings about them, there are several, but the boys especially.

Rand:  Started as sympathetic, but his close minded nature makes him less likeable.  Of course, it could be the taint changing his personality along with the stress of leadership, so I'm willing to cut him some slack.

Mat:  Gone from my least favorite of the boys, to my favorite character period.  He did his best to shirk responsibility in the beginning, but the transformation for me took place in the fifth book.  It wasn't until we got into the later books when Mat was readily accepting responsbility that I noticed thats where the change in attitude started happening.  He still had immature moments in book five, but from book six foward, he's the best.

Perrin:  Almost the opposite of Mat, but can't stand him now.  He has become too whiny for my taste.  He's no longer the slow thinking, deliberate acting person.  Before he was almost like Loial, the gentle giant.  Faile has brought out the worst in him.  Now he almost loses his temper as fast as Rand, and without the taint to blame.  When I re-read the series now, I now have future knowledge of what he's going to do, and it makes it more frustrating to read him early.



Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: BlackWiz on January 31, 2008, 02:19:01 AM
Am I the only person who disliked Egwene after the first book?  The only thing she does for the first few books is berate other characters (especially Rand) for their arrogance but gets to be worse than they are.  It's not so much that I hate her, but people that self-righteous bug me. 

Also, I would say that Mat is probably the overall favorate character of the majority of people.  The lovable rogue with unexpected talents is always a popular character.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Bryant on January 31, 2008, 09:24:24 AM
I have a general disdain for the majority of the female characters, largely because of the way Jordan writes them, particularly Egwene and Nynaeve. I can't really stand either of them. Elayne gets on my nerves when she's in the ANDOR IS MINE mindset, even after events had proven that the only reason she held onto it was because of Rand and his actions. Beyond that, she's not too bad. Aviendha is OK, and Min isn't that bad either. On the whole, though, they all seem incredibly 2 dimensional as characters. Perhaps part of it is that I found the majority of their PoV chapters to essentially be fluff, and never paid too much attention to them - especially during the later part of the series. I'll admit I largely just skimmed those chapters in every book past 6.

I like Rand, in the sort of disconnected "I wish I could have insane powers and blow stuff up" way. Mat, in my opinion, is probably the most fleshed out of any of the characters, with the exception of Rand - who isn't fleshed out in a way that really lets you relate to him. Mat you can look at, and see an ordinary guy thrust into extraordinary circumstances, who rose up to the challenge. Rand, you see a somewhat ordinary guy thrust into extraordinary circumstances, who then became even more extraordinary than the circumstances themselves. You can't really relate to that.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: rtm1981 on February 08, 2008, 04:48:34 AM
<rant>
When Elayne started pouting because Rand had reclaimed Andor for her, I was seriously tempted to burn the book. My glass was suddenly overflowing from all the whining these women do. Try being thankful for Light's sake! I know it possibly isn't supposed to fit her personality, but at some point you gotta think: "Hmmm.. He really cares for me, and he risked his life to secure something I need\love", right?
</endrant>

Having said that, I really love most of the female characters in the books (most of the time). Avi is great, and Min is my favorite female character (because of the comfort\healing she brings Rand). Nyn is great, gotta hate the braidpulling, gotta love the way she acts around Lan and the way she cares for the "kids".

Rand - From just having a simple love for the character in the beginning, to the immense pity I feel for him as he sinks deeper into madness, his mistreatment by the black sisters and the horror I felt when he had his hand blown off.
Nyn - Went from hatred to love on that one.
Lan - Haven't really changed my view at all.. The guy's a mountain. He never changes (or veeery slowly) and that's what I like about him).
Mat - from laughing at him, to respecting him (although he still is a fun character)

I need to re-read the series; it's been years since a complete readthrough for me now.

-rtm1981

ps. Don't judge me by my english please, I'm not from an english speaking country :) [and it's 4.39 am (if am is very early in the morning)]

Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Comfortable Madness on February 08, 2008, 02:27:29 PM
As far as female characters go, I have to say Nynaeve is my favorite. After she cleansed saidin with Rand it was pretty much sealed. I also love how she takes control in most situations by sheer force of will but then there are characters that she , sometimes unconciously, will defer to.

Another really cool female character, I think, is Berelain. I think it's really cool how everyone sees her as a useless tramp but she really is an exceptional leader for Mayene. Also, I like how the wise ones treat her like an equal when not even Aes Sedai are treated that way...
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: kaiyatomiko on February 12, 2008, 12:36:14 AM
After reading through the posts here it was a little annoying to hear all the 'hates' and 'can't stands'.
I might like a character less than another; find one more interesting or have features that appeal more to me, but I don't hate a character (well..... the forsaken I can understand).
For me when I first read the books several years ago I really liked Rand, however as time drew on and I matured I drew away from him, I understood his pain and suffering but I prefered to read of the lighter characters.
I've always found it hard to choose one character to say is my favourite.
I like Mat, he's funny and a good hearted rogue whoose character developes well over the couse of the story and Perrin I enjoy for the strong, warm friendship that he gives and the down to earth (most of the time) feeling I get from him though I find he can be a little static sometimes.
With the girls it becomes a little harder. I've always liked Nynaeve, it was interesting to see how she interacted with the other characters particularally when she was leading her little group black ajah hunting.
Elayne I like but after never to the same extent of the others, I can often relate to her but I don't find her quite as interesting. I really like Egwene, she's probably close to being my favourite especially in the last book. One of my favourite chapters is 'Honey in the tea'. I can't wait to see her do well in the Tower.
Faile was a little irritating in the first few books but she matured into a very interesting character, in the last few books when captured I felt it dragged a little but her strength and hope, and leadership qualities made a peson who I enjoyed reading.
Back when I first starting reading the books and began going online on the rpg's or reading posts on the WoT I almost always chose Aviendha as my character, she was always most exciting and close in looks to me, though far hardier. She had a spirit especially against Rand which was fun to read and striking against the fairer other main women of the books.
I've missed out other characters as my post is getting too long and a little repetitive and it's late and I want to go to bed, I might write something on them another time. ^_^
In general I've found the characters changing, adding more to their personalities and growing with the books I can't wait for the last book!
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Felastizairu on February 20, 2008, 06:58:23 AM
Way back when I first read the books, and then as I was rereading them, I always liked Rand the best.  I sympathized with his "I'm a normal, practical person whose world has been turned upside down and now I have to be responsible for it" attitude.  Then he started going crazy.  Granted, he can't help it, but he just gets so mean and moody in the later books... it reminds me of Harry Potter in book 5 *shudder*.  If I hope for anything in book 12, it's that Rand can regain his sanity.

I was never a Perrin fan.  He's too responsible, a little too "I'll always do the right thing" for my taste.  I hate how he has to deal with the prophet.

Mat is a character I've grown to respect.  At first, I disliked his impulsive nature that always seemed to put everyone in a pickle.  Gradually, he started to take responsibility for his role in the turning of the Wheel, like when he blew the horn.  I find it funny that Mat is now a genius military commander and a newlywed.  I can't wait to see the culmination of his storyline.

If I keep going on my analysis of major characters I'll have my own novel, so I think I'll just stop here for now.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: DarkCain11 on March 04, 2008, 04:48:19 PM
Mat will and always be my favorite charater of the seris. the way he came from village prankster to a rouge who trusted in lusk to an unbelivable general was just amazing. i can't wait to see what circumtanices makes him give up his eye.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Shost on March 06, 2008, 07:00:25 PM
Mat will and always be my favorite charater of the seris. the way he came from village prankster to a rouge who trusted in lusk to an unbelivable general was just amazing. i can't wait to see what circumtanices makes him give up his eye.

i definately have to agree with this. after reading the whole series and knowing what mat will become i love watching his progression through the series.
i think one of my newer favorites though is egwene. i know some people tend not to like her because she's stuck up. but she has to be to stay in power as a renegade amyrlin. and the scenes of her in the tower as a captive are just great. i liked how the first time i read KoD i thought those scenes took up a big part of the book but when i reread it i realized it was a few pages in the prologue and like one other chapter and thats it. RJ packed a lot into those pages.
but i want to mention a non major character and say how much i LOVE Rodel Ituralde. he's such a badass. maybe it helps that we learn about the outcome of his plans through the eyes of the seanchan after they get they're ass kicked.   :D
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: darxbane on March 07, 2008, 10:00:37 PM
I still like Perrin and Faille best, although I like all the main characters, these two stand out slightly above the rest.  Lini is cool, too. 
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Blane_Firehand on April 08, 2008, 04:45:33 PM
Hmmm, one thing that I don't remember bothering me when I was younger but that does annoy me now is the superior attitude held by virtually all the female characters. "Men think with the hair on their chests" and "We let them play with their toys and we'll handle the real business" (not exact quotes, but you get the idea). I think this might have something to do with older sisters and democrats, but I'm not really sure. Of course, it might just be because I'm ticked that women really are smarter than us men...  :P

Mat sticks out as my favorite character. I could talk about him being a rogue/scoundrel yet responsible when need be, but that seems to have already been covered pretty well. I used to empathize with Rand when he was the main character, but the story stopped revolving around him after the first couple of books. I also used to like Perrin quite a bit, especially because I thought the whole "wolf-brother" thing was cool. He was solid and dependable, like a rock. However, also like a rock, he eventually started to become a bit boring.

I really need to reread the series, especially with the last book on the way. I am looking forward to, although dreading slightly, seeing how my perceptions of the characters have changed.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: AvalonDreamer on April 29, 2008, 04:31:13 AM
All of my views on the characters have changed, because they've all grown as characters throughout the series.

Mat most of all, as he started out as the semi-dependable, mischievous kid who was always able to wriggle out of a situation, only to turn around and get into another one. As we watch him interact in steadily more serious situations, we come to realize that Mat isn't a bad guy at all, really just Chaotic Good. He pushes through the hard times with the dagger, his own force of will keeping him alive, then he goes on to help Rand in the Waste, showing that he really is a dependable friend, and ends up dying for it. As we see him continue to grow with more "I'm not a bloody noble!" lines popping up in the text, we see that he's still stubborn and resisting the inevitable, but when the time comes and he finally see that he can help Rand and the World by accepting his fate as Prince of Ravens, he takes it on graciously.

Perrin holds the converse honor for me. He's been the most consistent character in the books, while Mat has been growing up and shifting radically and Rand has gone on to go insane, Perrin stayed stalwart and calm-headed. Until he met Faile, he never changed much, really just staying as the voice of gentle reason, a little introverted, but always a strong leader and a strong spirit. He came back to the Two Rivers and learned that he couldn't just depend on himself all the time, and that his friends weren't always going to be there to help him back, so he took in Faile. The big change comes from his stubbornness converting itself into aggression in a wonderfully lupine way.

Elayne, Min, and Aviendha all pretty much start to gravitate toward each other as far personality shifts go, which is dramatic from their starting personas, but comes about so smoothly that you hardly notice in until you actually stop to think about it.

Egwene goes through some pretty interesting transitions, from trying to be an adult to trying to be worthy of the Amyrlin Seat, her ambitions change dramatically and yet her odd mix of stubbornness, kind empathy, and honor all stay fairly persistent, though ow she acts in accordance to them changes as she realizes new truths about the world. I think it's fairly funny, that one scene where her and Elayne are talking and Elayne says "I'm going to be Queen of Andor" and Egwene relies that she is going to be the greatest Aes Sedai ever, or something to that effect.

Moraine starts being an overpowering force of personality, almost to a point that she starts to oppress everyone else's, and really seems to be a bit of a b*tch, to say it pointedly. As it progresses, especially after she meets her sisters in the borderlands, then later in the Stone, she goes through a few personality shifts as she learns that she has to trust in her companions a bit more. It amazes me still that she finally realizes that she has to give ground with Rand in order to gain any, and she goes through with it. I cannot wait for them to rescue her from the Tower of Ghenji, and see what changes she's gone since she 'died'.

Lastly Lan and Nynaeve, the've both managed to soften each other up, and somehow they've managed to umbue each other with a deeper sense of duty and strength. Their dynamic is amazing, how they're constantly dodging and weaving from each other in a metaphorical fashion, and then they finally come together right in the middle of Nynaeve v. Moghedian.

That's all, I guess...
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Natalie Perkins on April 30, 2009, 03:56:01 AM
Ok So I've only read up to Book 9, and now I'm rereading from the beginning just because.
Rand: Pisses me off. To no end. I didn't like him all that much in the Eye of the World until I read it a second time and just because he's the Dragon Reborn shouldn't make him a jackass all the time. Yeah, I get it, it sucks to be him, but whining about it and being an ass isn't gonna stop it. Might as well make the most of what he can. Things were looking up with him last time.
Mat: He really is annoying up until The Shadow Rising where he slowly starts to improve. And then he actually became one of my favorites once he was in Tanchicho
Perrin: I started loving him once he met Faile. I loved his POV and got really excited everytime he made an appearance starting in The Dragon Reborn. That excitement has faded but eh, whatevs.
Moraine: I love Moraine. I have always loved Moraine. It hasn't changed.
Elayne: I have never liked Elayne. She was annoying, has always been annoying, and will probably always continue to be annoying.
Min: I mean, whatever. She's fine. I really have no opinion about her. Maybe a little annoying.
Egwene: I LOVE EGWENE! She can be kinda dumb sometimes (Particularly in The Dragon Reborn and The Shadow Rising) but I love her almost all the time. Ugh, I was so pissed when her and Rand stopped loving eachother. And I'm not longer pissed, but I still feel they should have stayed together. Maybe she would have stopped him from turning into a jackass.
Faile: Love Faile. Always have loved Faile. Nuff said.
Bairelan (I know this is spelled wrong, don't want to look it up) : I used to find her annoying, but I have a new respect upon rereading the series for her.
Lan: He's legit awesome. Probably one of my favorite characters.
Aviendha: I love her too. Probably Third behind Egwene and Lan. I think Rand should really just blow off Min and Elayne and stick with her.
Siuan - wasn't gonna mention her, but I vaguely remember me being very impressed with her after she was stilled and very entertaining to read.
My mind grows fuzzy. I should go read to clear it =]
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: readerMom on April 30, 2009, 05:58:24 AM
Since I first read the first couple of books I have gotten married and had a lot of kids.  This read through, the first in a long while, I find myself empathizing a lot more with Moraine than ever before.  I think it is the herding people without being too obvious about it and then having them do what they want to anyway thing.
I love Mat in the later books, but he is too agressively obnoxious in the earlier books. 
The thing I've always hated about all the characters is how no one talks to anyone else.  It would have made for a much shorter book if even a few of the characters would communicate with each other. The older I get the more this bugs me, but that could be because I am working on becoming a crotchety old woman and its a process that starts early. :P
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: The Jade Knight on April 30, 2009, 09:20:27 AM
There's a whole number of things that could have made for shorter books, ReaderMom, least of which is how much characters talk to eachother...
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Renoard on April 30, 2009, 10:56:50 AM
I was already a grup when I started on Eye of the world, so my view hasn't changed much at all.  I've reread several times and each time through it's a transition for most of the characters as the develop and change a lot over time, but I find my EotW Rand is still as I left him, and my SR Nyneave is just as much the spoiled brat she always was.

I really respect Elayne and Egwene, each manages to take the reigns of power and growup without becoming frightened and domineering like Nyneave or manipulative and arrogant like Cadsuane.

Faile well she's the lovable brat, until the trials of the Shaido fort.  Then she became a bit too pragmatic and loses a bit of my respect and affection.  Beralain is incorrigible.

Every character grows to fill a necessary role and I treasure them all, but they always remain comfortably themselves, no matter how I age. ;P
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Patriotic Kaz on April 30, 2009, 06:35:24 PM
I find Rand the most enjoyable to read, even though his duty has crushed him and run him through a press, he accepts the cards he has been dealt and goes on the best of his abilities. He is becoming morbid but the love he feels for Min Eylane and Aviehenda keep him from doing something truly stupid...he is far from the two dimentional character some people describe him as...

I also enjoy Aviehenda and other more adaptable Aiel, and strangely I find myself liking Galad more and more...Thom was always fun too.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Shaggy on May 13, 2009, 10:11:42 PM
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Hmmm, one thing that I don't remember bothering me when I was younger but that does annoy me now is the superior attitude held by virtually all the female characters. "Men think with the hair on their chests" and "We let them play with their toys and we'll handle the real business" (not exact quotes, but you get the idea). I think this might have something to do with older sisters and democrats, but I'm not really sure
I hear what you're saying. However, I think this was just a slight exaggeration on what SOME people (of either sex) may think about the opposite one (although not what they would actually say). I actually found it very entertaining.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Patriotic Kaz on May 14, 2009, 04:44:28 PM
Well men's IQ's are sporadic while women's are more centralized (men have both more geniuses and retards litterally retarded I'm not miss using the disorder) though i believe the mean of men's IQ is higher...though that means little it all comes down to work ethic
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Shaggy on May 15, 2009, 03:57:23 AM
I fail to see the relevance of your post.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Patriotic Kaz on May 15, 2009, 04:51:07 AM
some post near the top i saw talking about women being smarter than men...
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Inquisitor on May 15, 2009, 02:23:06 PM
I've only been reading the series since I was a freshman in high school, so not much has changed for me.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Renoard on May 15, 2009, 04:58:42 PM
Something that has changed for me is my view of Paddin Fain.  In EotW he was a pathetic example of the mediocrity of evil.  Then he is hit with this irreconcilable set of geas'.  It complicated him, in spite of himself, and the taint from Mashaddar, made him something new and interesting, about the time that he became so powerful, rebellious and cunning that even fades are frightened of him. . .  Well he becomes a whole new player on the board.  I hate him of course, for his evil.  But he's actually earned a modicum of respect.  I never expected that.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Patriotic Kaz on May 15, 2009, 08:18:21 PM
He's a fun read... certain bad guys like Fain are just SOOO much fun to hate ;D
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Wielder on June 02, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
I think both times I have read through the series (at least as far as I got...I still haven't gotten through them all), I've really liked Mat.  The first time I read through was in high school, and I started it all-over again in my sophomore year in college, and I think I understood and accepted how the characters acted a lot easier the second time around.  (I despised so many of the characters in high school...I don't exactly remember why...)

Mat is still my favorite, though.  The way he acts is so realistic, and I think I just sympathize with him most.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet (or maybe they did and I missed it), but my favorite female character is Lanfear (though, I really like Min and Aviendha...and Moiraine...oof).  Lanfear has always been an interesting character for me due to her interactions with Rand, even though he really isn't Lews Therin.
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Post by: Shaggy on June 02, 2009, 07:37:01 PM
[Sorry, Kaz–it was a couple posts up so I didn't notice it. My B.]

I find it hard to hate him 'cause he makes everything so dark and creepy…he's almost like the human embodiment of evil/cruelty/ya know.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Patriotic Kaz on June 02, 2009, 08:56:09 PM
That's exactly why he is so much fun to hate
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Post by: Shaggy on June 02, 2009, 09:01:00 PM
But would you rather he not be in the story?? 'Cause I definitely wouldn't.…
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Post by: Patriotic Kaz on June 02, 2009, 09:03:49 PM
No i want him in the story he's a great read but you can't actually like him i mean that's like having Narg as your favorite character...ohh wait he is...i LOVE NARG ...him and Bella could totally take Rand
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Post by: Shaggy on June 02, 2009, 09:04:43 PM
And Hoid. Never forget Hoid.  :P

But he's like the arch-minion of the DO…which would actually be kinda cool. Minus the torture sessions and stuff. You know.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Patriotic Kaz on June 02, 2009, 09:30:11 PM
Explain how Hoid is relevant to WoT
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Post by: Shaggy on June 02, 2009, 09:32:10 PM
Um…he's not. I was making a joke. Sorry for demonstrating a sense of humor on the forum.
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Liathiana on June 18, 2009, 11:59:45 PM
When I first started reading the WoT, one of my favorite characters was Perrin. That is until he became so stupid over the wolf-brother thing (c'mon already!) and became whipped by Faile. At first during my reread I couldn't understand why I didn't like her before until I got to the part she really infuriated me during the travel back to Two Rivers. I wanted to smack her! Lots! >:(

Egwene was a bit annoying in the beginning but once she became Amrylin I really began to love and respect her, she's now my favorite character.

I'm surprising myself by liking Nynaeve during this reread, I suppose I relate more to her now than I did before. And of course I love her relationship with Lan!

Hmm...I'll have to think about this more!
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Post by: Patriotic Kaz on June 19, 2009, 05:34:39 PM
Nyneave you got to be kidding me her and Faile are the most hated characters on this forum.... (not necessarily by me though i do dislike Faile)
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Post by: necronos on June 19, 2009, 10:20:20 PM
I've once again started to reread the entire series again, but this time I started with New Spring instead of Eye of the World. I'm only half way through The Great Hunt but these are my thoughts so far:

I'm really loving the nuances that I see in the minor characters, Bayle Domon comes to mind. The appear to me as fleshed out characters that I'm only glimpsing rather than paper cut outs with nothing more. The first few times I read the series I felt annoyed having to read through minor characters POVs. I was always in a hurry to get back to the main characters. Now so much anymore. I'm enjoying spending more time with other characters instead.

My frustration with Rand has started earlier than usual, it usually hits in a round The Fires of Heaven, this time it started at the beginning of TGH. Why can't he just tell his friends he is scared and doesn't want to hurt them rather than trying to push them away?

Mat is also annoying me, which is odd since he is one of my series favorites. I don't know why yet, so I'll keep reading!

Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: Liathiana on June 20, 2009, 02:45:47 AM
Rand pretty much always annoyed me.

Kaz: I even like Elayne! :o
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Post by: Patriotic Kaz on June 20, 2009, 04:45:24 AM
I hate Faile and Mogheiden.... i both enjoy and dislike Fain(just cuz he's a nasty bugger).... and depending on the day Elayne annoys me
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Post by: Natalie Perkins on March 12, 2010, 02:36:15 AM
Looking back I'd like to apologize for my horrible excuse for grammar in my previous post. I believe I was rushed but that is no excuse, I should be ashamed  :'(
Title: Re: How has your views on WoT characters changed over the years?
Post by: guessingo on March 12, 2010, 01:13:14 PM
i was in high school when I started reading the WoT and now I am 35. I now most identify with Moiraine and I am a guy. I think it is an age thing. Moiraine is by far the best written of all the women characters.

I also don't like Egwene as Amyrlin. I don't buy her ability to get stuff done. She is 20 years old. Kids don't have the life experience for a role like that. Especially when the people she governs are often 100+ years old. It is too contrived.
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Post by: Renoard on April 20, 2010, 01:51:46 PM
After Reading Brandon's TGS, I think his take on WoT will change all the characters for better or worse.
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Post by: Aginor221 on April 26, 2010, 05:16:08 AM
I started the series when I was 12, and I've reread it a good ten times since then (I'm 18.) Mat is by far my favorite character. Ever. I wasn't too sure of him in TGS, because I wasn't used to the playful banter - it just seemed mat was done with that. I digress - I love Egwene way more than I ever did growing up. She really grew on me the past three books, especially her tower chapters. Nyneave is a hate/love. Depends on the book. TGS Nyneave is epic win for me. She's finally standing up for herself. I've always loved Lan. Hate Elayne. Hate Faile. I detest Perrin during the whole fail/captured bs. Moody Perrin doesn't work for me. He's grown very randlike the last couple of books and It's a real shame considering he used to be my favorite character. Now, Rand. Rand is a definite fav. You gotta love the main character - even though he isnt always the headline. He's troubled, and quite insane by TGS. His story arc is supposed to be tragic. So I just don't have it in me to hate that pure powerfully amazing Rand. He's the dragon reborn I mean really. Back to Mat. While growing up, Mat was always the most realistic, which a lot of people can attest to on this forum. He grew, was put through some crazy difficult stuff, and came out way better at the end of them.