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Title: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: EUOL on December 10, 2007, 06:40:55 PM

http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=326

http://www.dragonmount.com/Books/Memory_of_Light/brandon_interview_01.php

It would be really nice if we could get this article--or even my blog--on Slashdot or Fark or the like.  Anyone think they could manage?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 06:44:25 PM
Publisher's weekly actually posted this news at 7am.
http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6511045.html
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Parker on December 10, 2007, 07:11:35 PM
So . . . Brandon. Does Rand die? ;-)

Congrats, again! I'll do my best to make sure all 5 people in Maine are made aware of this.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 07:12:49 PM
If anyone has Digg, fark or /. accounts please submit this news.  Brandon has limited internet and computer access (long story) so he's asked me to spearhead this.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Oldie Black Witch on December 10, 2007, 07:23:26 PM
Holy freaking cow, Brandon. You actually got it.

Congrats!

Just make sure that you do a good job with it or millions of rabid fans will storm your house and make your life completely miserable. So yeah. No pressure or anything.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 07:27:26 PM
It's up on Digg, if you have an account please Digg it

http://digg.com/arts_culture/Author_chosen_to_finish_the_Wheel_of_Time_series
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Goradel on December 10, 2007, 07:31:57 PM
About time!  It about killed me to keep my mouth shut about this.  

Best of luck

Brandon  let’s do lunch when life gets back to normal.  

Rich
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 10, 2007, 07:41:00 PM
I've known about this possibility for months, and knew for sure over the weekend (from the blog entry), but still, reading the official news this morning made me giddy. (My heartbeat increased, and my hands even got shaky. It's bizarre.) This is just cool news, and I know Brandon will do a great job.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 10, 2007, 07:44:54 PM
dude.  whats the time frame they want this done in?  Im in freaking shock.  Im trying to figure out if this is a side effect from the memory loss from my sleeping pill last night...

wow.

grats dude!  Though I am not the biggest fan of this series, this is an immense honor for you!  We need to go out and celebrate!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: PixelFish on December 10, 2007, 07:52:16 PM
I couldn't quite wrap my head around this...but wow, major congrats, man.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Phaz on December 10, 2007, 07:55:40 PM
Congragulations Brandon!  What an honor.

I submitted the story to slashdot, but it looks like while I was editing mine, it already made the front page (http://slashdot.org/articles/07/12/10/1752244.shtml).

I dugg the digg story, I'll submit a reddit one as well.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Tink on December 10, 2007, 08:06:04 PM
Wow . . . I mean, wow. I didn't even realize you were up as a possibility to write the last book. I just want to go around telling everyone I know . . . and many would probably look at me like I was crazy and ask, "What's Wheel of Time." Sad but true. That's awesome, Brandon.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: stacer on December 10, 2007, 08:13:29 PM
Was this what Dan was teasing me by not telling me? When you and Dave were in town you were going to tell me and I think the conversation derailed and we forgot to bring it up again. I saw the news first thing when I opened up my email this morning. (Dang keyboard died and it took all morning to replace. This is on my work computer. I think I have bad luck with keyboards.)

At any rate, this is very cool news indeed. Congrats!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 10, 2007, 08:22:05 PM
I don't remember teasing you about this, but I might have. Brandon said I wasn't allowed to tell anyone, but he didn't say I couldn't stick out my tongue and chant "I've got a secret" over and over.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 08:25:06 PM
Wow . . . I mean, wow. I didn't even realize you were up as a possibility to write the last book. I just want to go around telling everyone I know . . . and many would probably look at me like I was crazy and ask, "What's Wheel of Time." Sad but true. That's awesome, Brandon.
That's what my supervisor said, but most of my other co-workers know about the series.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 10, 2007, 08:27:36 PM
I stopped by the copy editors' desks and asked if anyone was a Wheel of Time fan. One raised her hand, and I told her the news...which really confused her, because she had no idea Robert Jordan was no longer alive. Oops.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 10, 2007, 08:55:28 PM
yeah, im sitting here at work trying to explain to everyone why this is a big deal.  All i get are blank stares...these people need to read more i swear!

However, all the people who know who Jordan is have the same initial 2 comments.

1)  Holy @#$%
2)  Wow (not in the warcraft sense)

So Brandon, I guess you wont need as much help from guys like me and Ryan for setting up and pushing book signings huh?  I feel so...directionless now...
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: platypuschutney on December 10, 2007, 08:55:57 PM
Congratulations!

I was very excited to hear this news. I've treasured the WoT series for years and it was such a tragedy when Mr. Jordan passed away.

I read your books recently and was very impressed by your character creation, pacing, and overall style and storytelling. (Plus, Robin Hobb likes you so we really know that "you have arrived."  ;) ) I totally know that you can do this, and do it well. A wave of contentment actually washed over me when I read that you would be on this project. Don't psych yourself out - just keep doing what you've been doing. We know you're not RJ himself, but I really think your style will complement the series extremely well.  I think Harriet made a great choice, and a lot of people will be cheering you on in the next year.

Best regards,
   - Alex
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shrain on December 10, 2007, 08:58:43 PM
I thought I was hallucinating when I got that email from PW Daily! I saw, "Sanderson to Complete Final Jordan Work" and did a double take. Had no idea that this was a possibility. Way to go, EUOL!! It makes perfect sense. It's a tough job, though, which I can say even though I've never read Jordan. Just his and his fans' reputations are enough to be daunting. But I know you love a challenge. Yay for Brandon. :)

By the by, I ran into this gal who is new in my ward. Turns out she works at B&N here in Mass. I'd just told her that I loved SF and she said, "Oh! You ever read any Brandon Sanderson." heh. Turns out she used to work at a B&N in Layton or something and said she met you at a signing.  She'd only read Elantris, so of course I plugged the Mistborn series and mentioned Alcatraz. ;)

Anyhoo, good luck with Wheel of Time!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 10, 2007, 09:04:21 PM
It's okay, NBGA, I'll still need your help. Us little guys can stick together when Brandon's too big to remember us.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 10, 2007, 09:06:33 PM
It's okay, NBGA, I'll still need your help. Us little guys can stick together when Brandon's too big to remember us.

*sniff* guess I better finish that book you emailed me...
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 10, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
I announced it on our families web board... so lets see that's my husbands 12 siblings, their wives, and at least 29 grandchildren.


Yeah, you're right, not enough. I'll have to start emailing my friends too.

so much for ambiguity.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: stacer on December 10, 2007, 09:11:56 PM
I don't remember teasing you about this, but I might have. Brandon said I wasn't allowed to tell anyone, but he didn't say I couldn't stick out my tongue and chant "I've got a secret" over and over.

You mentioned that Brandon had news that you couldn't tell me. Though that might have been Sprig, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 10, 2007, 09:18:24 PM
I need to add something. Can I just tell you that I'm as happy as a lark right now. You've given me two pieces of awesome news. The Wheel of Time will be finished, and it's by someone I have confidence can do the job well. PLUS it happens to be the other favorite author I have at the moment. Hooray!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 09:22:08 PM
I don't remember teasing you about this, but I might have. Brandon said I wasn't allowed to tell anyone, but he didn't say I couldn't stick out my tongue and chant "I've got a secret" over and over.

You mentioned that Brandon had news that you couldn't tell me. Though that might have been Sprig, come to think of it.

Sounds like something I'd do.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: EUOL on December 10, 2007, 09:22:58 PM
Thanks, everyone.  Stacer, I thought for sure I'd talked about this with you.  Ah, well.  I was trying to keep it as secret as I could manage.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who has posted this material on their blogs and the like.  This is certainly going to be an exciting ride.

...

p.s. I know who killed Asmodean...

And I can't tell you.  Sorry!  I signed an NDA.  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 10, 2007, 09:27:58 PM
So, given the circumstances, here is a fun little story for all of ya.

As many of you know, I stalked Brandon down after Elantris came out.  I was really impressed with the book, and at the time I helped manage the Waldens in Provo.  After being brutally shot down by another author with my request for a book signing appearance, I had small hopes that Brandon would even respond.

The next day Brandon emailed me back (the shear turn-around is a shocker in hind-sight!) saying he would love to meet me.  We met, talked, and scheduled that quasi-famous Black-Friday booksigning where he sold nearly 70 hardbacks.

Fast-forward to the following summer.

I busted by...err...butt to get people excited for the release of Mistborn 1.  We talked Tor into a pre-release event.  When I called Tor and told them I needed 250 copies of the book for the signing, they nearly laughed at me...until I told them that was how many reservations our stor had for it.  I don't even think Brandon thought it would be as crazy as it was.  By the end of the signing and the 2 weeks following, we sold ALL of those copies.  I seem to remember Moshe bowing to me at Worldcon...neat-o!!

After the signing, in a state of shocked amazement at the shear awesomeness-success of the event, I talked with my manager (now the manager in Denver).  Oddly, here is the gist of what I told him:

*loose quote* "This event just proved that Brandon will be big.  A few years from now, when it's all rolling for him, won't it be neat to say that we set up his first big events?  I mean what if he turns into Robert Jordan-like popular?  How insane and cool will that be?...

...Think he'll give us free stuff?"  *end loose quote*

Kind of crazy isnt it?  And now Mr. Sanderson (I said that in the Agent Smith voice), is typing on Mr. Jordan's own computer, emersing himself in a world and tale that he will finish.  Simply awesome...
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Kevin Dean on December 10, 2007, 09:51:06 PM
Congrats Brandon!

I'm the technical administrator of Dragonmount.com (If we've not bugged you enough, just you wait!).

Jason Denzel talked you up to me last night in preparation for the onslaught today (you've sold a few more books, BTW, and I'm quite eager to begin devouring them). The interview and press releases on DM link to your blog and that interview has been submitted to Digg (twice, in fact) and was front page on Slashdot last I checked.

Here's to many new fans, many new books and many wild rides!

-Kevin
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: HANNIBALELANTRIAN on December 10, 2007, 09:56:48 PM
HOLY CRAP! Wow! Congrats Brandon! And I can't wait to see what you do! Wow though....no pressure, huh?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 10, 2007, 09:57:39 PM
p.s. I know who killed Asmodean...
Curse you.

Well, I look forward to seeing this revealed in Book 12.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 10, 2007, 10:06:49 PM
Ditto.

except I think I've figured it out already, so I await the moment when I can either say, "HA! I told you so!" to all my family or just keep quiet.

I'm wondering how SE is feeling about this!?  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Faster Master St. Pastor on December 10, 2007, 10:11:10 PM
Dude, this is freaking awesome! I almost didn't believe it when I first saw it. The thought that ran through my head was "wait, Brandon as in Brandon?" I've already started informing my "harem" as you called it. Anyway, my brother wanted me to tell you to read through the books three more times, but he's a little fanatical. I myself am more pragmatic; twice should be sufficient.  ;)

Seriously though, a huge congratulations to you.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 10:11:19 PM
SE told me he's happy for Brandon but this will probably be the one book of his he won't be reading, same with me, neither of us want to read 11 books that Brandon didn't write just to read one he did especially SE who doesn't like the series.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 10, 2007, 10:18:19 PM
So, from a marketing standpoint, I would think that Tor would use this official announcement to generate more sales.  Do we know if they are going to send out some sort of insert flyer to put in his books to generate additional movement?  If I worked in the store still, I would have had a sign made already stating the news, and made my own leaflets...
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 10, 2007, 10:23:07 PM
Some people on the wotmania forums are worried, after reading Brandon's interview on Dragonmount, that he hasn't read Knife of Dreams or paid attention to clues about Padan Fain, and wonder if he knows Noal is Jain Farstrider. There's a lot of backstory in the books that Brandon will need to keep track of to get things right. Besides Harriet, are there going to be other fact-checkers involved who know the world top to bottom?

It seems like the main fan-driven WOTFAQ hasn't been updated in a few years, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Kevin Dean on December 10, 2007, 10:28:18 PM
Jim left notes, audio recordings, outlines... He told the remainder of the story to Harriet, Wilson, Tom and a few other close friends. His assistant, Maria, has been with Jim for years and is indeed a fact-checker extrordinare as well as a rabid fan.  ;D

I'm quite sure he'll have all of the story he needs to do this correctly!



Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 10, 2007, 10:29:59 PM
So seriously, as I don't go to any of TWOT sites, but I have read the books twice... (FMP I hope that qualifies me for some prize) How do they know that Noal is Jain Farstrider? did Jordan mention that? cause it's not mentioned in the books (that I can remember) although it seems that's where he's leading it (or was leading it, since he's not leading anything anywhere now...)

I think we should have a 'who killed Asmodean?' thread here so that when Brandon reveals it....... Okay well I had a reason, but then the baby cried and I've forgotten. Just cause it'd be fun I guess  ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 10, 2007, 10:30:19 PM
Personally, i think they should be glad that Brandon isnt 100% up-to-date with WoT facts.  It's more important to have a good writer who can learn than someone who knows the character's waist sizes who is a crap writer.  If they want to see an example of how bad it can go with a bad writer who was close to the source, all they have to do look at the disgusting mess that became of Dune.  Thank goodness WoT 12 is being finished by Brandon.  He will do his best to make the late Robert Jordan proud.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Nessa on December 10, 2007, 10:36:36 PM
I screamed when I first saw the news. Just ask Sprig ;)

I am so excited for you, Brandon. I'm so excited that the series will be finished. I love the WoT series and to have you write it is awesome beyond words.

Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Werthead on December 10, 2007, 10:37:59 PM
Brandon posted this on Dragonmount which may be of interest:

Quote
Just a quick note to thank you all for your good wishes. I just wanted to let you know that I have now seen the notes, and while I can't say anything specific without breaking my NDA, I will say that the notes are in far better shape than I had expected. Mr. Jordan's staff are very skilled, and they have complied an outline for me that goes scene-by-scene. After reading through it, I'm confident we can produce a book that Mr. Jordan would have been pleased with.

Also, I DO finally know who killed Asmodean, and I promise to include it in the book to finally answer that question for you.

Also, I WILL be more detailed in my descriptions for this book. I may need a fleet of people to help me get the clothing descriptions down, but I'll do it!

And this on Westeros.org:

Quote
I will make no claim on being anywhere as near as good an author as Mr. Jordan. However, in my opinion, there are very few authors out there who are that good. Mr. Martin could have done it, I'm sure--but it would have put a serious delay on his own books, which are already very delayed.

These are big shoes to fill, and--to be honest--I don't think I'll ever fill them. However, it IS a dream come true to be able to work on this project. I'm honest when I say I've loved these books since I was a youth.

Pat, my style is different from Mr. Jordan's intentionally. Both Mistborn and Elantris are reactions to the current fantasy market, as I try to add to the discussion without retreading ground others have already covered. That doesn't mean, however, that I don't appreciate a more densely-descriptive, introspective style like the Jordan books. I hope that, in several years time, you'll find you agree with Harriet's choice.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 10, 2007, 10:38:56 PM
How do they know that Noal is Jain Farstrider? did Jordan mention that? cause it's not mentioned in the books (that I can remember) although it seems that's where he's leading it (or was leading it, since he's not leading anything anywhere now...)
I dunno, it seemed pretty obvious to me, just reading the books. I'm not sure what they were referring to about Padan Fain though, but the other thing about Moiraine in book 11 is definitely blatant.

[EDIT: Brandon makes good points over at wotmania. That Moiraine thing isn't as blatant as I thought.]
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 10:41:31 PM
I screamed when I first saw the news. Just ask Sprig ;)

I'm deaf in one ear and that was just via text over IM so I'm glad I wasn't in the same room.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: pengwenn on December 10, 2007, 10:55:48 PM
Wow, that is great news!!!  I don't think I could keep all those secrets for two years if I knew how everything was going to end.  I would just have to tell someone.  So . . . if you're looking for a sounding board I'm all ears.   ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 11:08:11 PM
All of Brandon's books are seeing a huge sales spike at amazon,Elantris PB jumped 40,000 points and MB1 PB is selling in the top 100 for Epic fantasy (at a 6,000 rank overall).
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 10, 2007, 11:17:07 PM
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All of Brandon's books are seeing a huge sales spike at amazon,Elantris PB jumped 40,000 points and MB1 PB is selling in the top 100 for Epic fantasy (at a 6,000 rank overall)
Hooray! I've been trying my hardest to convince everyone to read them, but I guess Jordan is a smidge more popular then I am. I'm so happy for you Brandon! I'm sure your wife is ecstatic.

I'm just glad I can say, I read him when....
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 10, 2007, 11:20:41 PM
I don't know who Asmodean is, but I assume from the name that he's a bad guy? And apparently he's dead? And Maggie shot him in a two part episode?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 10, 2007, 11:23:19 PM
second digg artile up
http://digg.com/arts_culture/Wheel_of_Time_series_to_be_finished_by_Brandon_Sanderson

Also some other sites

http://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/index.php/2007/12/10/brandon-sanderson-tapped-to-finish-wheel-of-time/

http://www.fantasybookspot.com/node/2252

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=475485

Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Daarian on December 10, 2007, 11:28:55 PM
Congratulations on being picked to finish the WoT. I have yet to read any of your other works and will likely not do so until I have read AMoL. Nothing personal, just want to read it without any prior biases. I am an avid fan of the WoT and can't wait to see what you do with the last book. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: achren99 on December 10, 2007, 11:34:02 PM
Well at least SOMEONE knows who killed Asmodean--GEESH!  lol  I thought RJ might just not tell us ever and laugh about it.  It's actually not that important, but he was my favorite bad guy, so I'd like to know.

and HURRAY!  Best. News. Ever.  When I read the headline I thought it was a joke at first because of how great it is.  Congrats!  I'm so glad that you'll *hopefully* get a gigantic fan base like you deserve. 

This will probably postpone Dragonsteel, which makes me very very sad, but oh well...I'm still very very happy about WoT!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Archon on December 10, 2007, 11:59:54 PM
Wow, that is amazing news. Congratulations again to EUOL. It might just be because I am in finals time, and therefore, extremely tired, but I had to read this three times to make sure that I understood the announcement. I guess I have 10,000 pages of catchup to do.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Rain_Storm on December 11, 2007, 12:08:10 AM
Yay!
I love WOT, you'll do it justice.
I was screaming when I read the news,  roommate thought I'd failed my finals or something...
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: pengwenn on December 11, 2007, 12:17:11 AM
Scalzi might have beaten him to win the Campbell award but Brandon Sanderson gets to finish The Wheel of Time series.  I think that's infinitely better and going to have a lot more fans read your great books than some puny award.  Scalzi blogged about Alcatraz and your article on Pullman's work and censorship but so far no mention about this.  Sounds like he's jealous.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 11, 2007, 12:39:09 AM
Hey, hey, that's going a bit far. No need to knock Scalzi (and he certainly doesn't deserve to be knocked). The Campbell is a very good award to win, and John (and Naomi Novik) earned it. And John is far from jealous. C'mon. He pushes other authors' books more than most award-winning writers out there.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: 42 on December 11, 2007, 01:04:01 AM
Is Scalzi a WoT follower? He doesn't seem like he would be.

Anyways. Congratulations Brandon. Most of my family members also congratulate you.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 11, 2007, 01:08:47 AM
I just did a thread in the fantasy section of NaNo, not a great contribution, but I'm giving you all the resources I got.

http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/node/1073643#comment-421889
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: JP Dogberry on December 11, 2007, 01:29:20 AM
Woah, I just read this on Slashdot and thought it was big enough news to be worth dropping in for. Way to go, congrats! etc. 
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Werthead on December 11, 2007, 01:52:30 AM
I did my part via my blog (http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2007/12/brandon-sanderson-to-complete-wheel-of.html).

The other SF&F blogs seem to be getting in on the act as well:

NethSpace (http://nethspace.blogspot.com/2007/12/brandon-sanderson-to-finish-robert.html)

Pat's Fantasy Hotlist (http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/2007/12/brandon-sanderson-to-finish-robert.html)

The Book Swede (http://thebookswede.blogspot.com/2007/12/brandon-sanderson-to-finish-wot.html)

Fantasy Book Critic (http://fantasybookcritic.blogspot.com/2007/12/brandon-sanderson-chosen-to-complete.html)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Mr_Pleasington on December 11, 2007, 01:56:03 AM
Wow!

Just, wow!

Congrats, Brandon! 
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Phaz on December 11, 2007, 02:57:19 AM
Just curious, was this the latest "super secret project" on your progress chart thing?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 11, 2007, 03:03:45 AM
something that won't get worked on for months.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on December 11, 2007, 03:10:25 AM
Holy cow.  Dude.  Holy cow. 
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 11, 2007, 03:29:29 AM
Okay I'm thinking the Warbreaker download's a pretty good idea right now... over at the NaNo site I think I've had at least three people say, "I've never heard of him before today, but this Warbreaker  is good!"
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Soryn on December 11, 2007, 04:12:08 AM
Wow! Congratulations, Brandon! That's fantastic!

I was curious about that ever since you mentioned the topic of who was going to finish the books at the book signing where I saw you. I knew you were being considered, but wow! Now I have something to say to my WoT fan friends who have asked me before, "Brandon Sanderson? Who is that?"

Congratulations, again! Good luck, and I hope you thoroughly enjoy finishing the series!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: EUOL on December 11, 2007, 04:47:28 AM
A couple of points.

1) Again, thank you all so much for your enthusiasm and help getting the word out.

2) I will also agree that although Scalzi is my evil nemesis, part of that is the fact that he writes such darn good books.  He deserved that award, and is honestly one of the nicest guys I've met.  Also....SCALZIIII!!!!

3) This shouldn't delay my own books very much.  I'm going to bunker down and spend the next three years working VERY hard.  I don't want to disappoint my fans.  Mistborn 3 is completely done, and Warbreaker--as you can read--is well on its way.  This MIGHT delay my next book by a bit.  However, you should know that even before this, Tor had decided to delay Mistborn 3 until October (sorry) to give them time to re-release the first book in paperback.  That means I'd have had some empty time soon anyway.  This will delay side projects...

4) ...which brings us to answering the super secret project.  It was another epic fantasy stand-alone I was toying with.  If I'd managed to finish even one chapter, I'd post it to show you, but I didn't get that far.  This is the book I won't have time to write for a while, but it's a book that might not have been written anyway.  I don't even have a publisher for Scribbler yet, so writing another on-spec fantasy book was a low priority anyway.

5)  I'm not sure, now, if I'll do Dragonsteel next or jump ship over to The Way of Kings, which is a much bigger book conceptually and more ambitious.  Might be a nice way to follow WoT 12.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: The Lost One on December 11, 2007, 05:44:32 AM
Wow, that will keep you busy.  Now I might actually have to finish reading the WoT series or maybe I'll just skip to the last book. Congrats.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 11, 2007, 05:47:35 AM
  I'm going to bunker down and spend the next three years working VERY hard. 

Wait, how is this different from normal?  You only take one month off a year.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: EUOL on December 11, 2007, 05:56:48 AM
Probably won't get to take it off this year....  (Sniff.  No Halo 3 for me.)  Maybe I'll find time to work in a little rest, but I don't think I'll be able to be as lazy as I was last year.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 11, 2007, 06:43:06 AM
psh, Halo 3 will only take you 2 days to beat so just borrow Scott's 360 christmass week you're not going to be able to get any work done then anyway.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Krelian on December 11, 2007, 07:19:55 AM
Hey, first time here.  Just wanted to say congrats on being tabbed to finish the series.  I went right out and bought my local barnes and noble out of your books for myself and to give to other friends who are fans of the series.  I look forward to getting familiar with your work and look forward to seeing you finish the series.  Good luck with everything.  Should I read Elantris or Mistborn first btw?  I think I will start Elantris tonight.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: EUOL on December 11, 2007, 07:26:09 AM
Elantris is a stand alone, so it's a great one to read first.  Know that the writing in Mistborn is a little better, though.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Krelian on December 11, 2007, 07:34:01 AM
Thats ok.  You can only get better as you go along.  Look forward to starting on Elantris, thanks.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: CUBAREY on December 11, 2007, 02:17:28 PM
Congratulations!

As any good WOT fan, the first thing I did when I read the news was to run out and buy all your books to get a feel of how you write. After 6 hours  I'm about 150 pages into Mistborn. I feel both confident and happy. Confident that Harriot (RJ's wife) and TOR picked the right author for the job.  And happy to have been introduced to an author who is well on his way to becoming one of the name's that all fantasy readers will recognize.

But just one observation, your series should be a tad longer (10 to 15 books would do nicely if each is at least 800 pages).  ;D :D

One question, if AMOL is as successful as we all hope would you consider writing any of the WOT prequels and outrigger books that RJ had planned to write? Not asking for a definitive answer just wondering if this is a possibility.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 11, 2007, 02:19:50 PM
I told Brandon in an email that this was a fantastic opportunity for him and I'm very happy for him. This is exciting. It will boost his readership and give him tons of name recognition.
If asked, I'd do it, in fact (not that I'd ever be asked).
It's possible I'd read book 12, since Brandon's writing it. I wouldn't, however, read books 2 - 11 just to get oriented.

Congrats Brandon. I think you can finally say you've arrived. YOu know, because publishing 4 books and having contracts for at least a half dozen more doesn't make you "arrived."
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Sigyn on December 11, 2007, 05:15:18 PM
Tee hee!  I'm so happy I can tell people now.  My sister will faint when she hears.

And I'm amazed at how many posts this thread already has.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: sboivie on December 11, 2007, 06:43:14 PM
Brandon, first I want to say congratulations. I have never posted here before but we have conversed by email a couple of times. This seems like a fantastic opportunity.

One thing I am curious about is how a contract for something like this works. I know for a regular book deal you get an advance then royalties if the book sells enough. How does a deal for this work? I am not looking for specific money figures, but I am just curious if this is similar or different. It seems like this is a big opportunity to make a new fan base, but at the same time it also takes time away from your own writing where you would presumably make a higher royalty rate.

Steve Boivie
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: The Jade Knight on December 11, 2007, 06:46:29 PM
That's awesome, Brandon.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shrain on December 11, 2007, 07:20:35 PM
Probably won't get to take it off this year....  (Sniff.  No Halo 3 for me.)  Maybe I'll find time to work in a little rest, but I don't think I'll be able to be as lazy as I was last year.
Yeah, especially with Limebaby on the schedule now. ;)

I have a question: How did you get submitted for consideration? I mean, did your agent approach the WoT people because you were really interested in this. I know you're a fan yourself. Or did you get nominated somehow?

Edit: OK, never mind. I read the Dragonmount interview, which was excellent. Very exciting stuff.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: MPlease on December 11, 2007, 07:26:13 PM
Congrats on the deal, Brandon. Several people I know were more than overjoyed at the news. (I quote: "Squuueeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!") This will probably inspire me to actually read through the books leading up to it too, rather than just reading the "book in a minute" summaries  as I have for the last few books ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: EUOL on December 11, 2007, 07:34:54 PM
Okay, let's see if this phone will let me post here. I'm in the airport having just spent two days at Harriet's house. She, and mr. Jordan's staff, are awesome. It was wonderful. I will yet to do a longer description on my blog.

Two questions to answer. First, will I do more WoT books?  I don't know, honestly. On one hand, I would hate to see writings of me Jordan go unfinished, and I now know what the prequels and outriggers would have contained.

On the other hand, I don't think any of us want to simply exploit the master's legacy.  We don't need dozens of books being released in Mr. Jordan's name.

Let's see where we are in two years. There are too many factors involved to give a good guess now. It will depend on the state of the notes, the fan reception to book 12, and how Harriet feels.

As for the contract, I can't say much. Nda again. Know that my contract was with the Jordan estate, and that they were very generous. I do have a stake in seeing the book do well. It is very similar to a regular contract.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: WriterDan on December 11, 2007, 08:55:06 PM
So, I feel like a heel.  Just found out about this today.  Holy freaking congratulations, Brandon!  Dang, I'm excited.  Good luck with the public.  Take em by storm!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Miriel on December 11, 2007, 09:55:57 PM
I just wanted to saw congratulations...and wow.  I was expecting the "big news" on Monday to be some sort of award for Mistborn, or Mistobrn II, but the actual announcement was a larger applaud to your talent and hard work than had even crossed my mind.  Again, congratulations!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 11, 2007, 10:02:40 PM
So we're doing well on digg with almost 400 diggs so far, that places us on the front page for the lifestyle section in both the top 24 hours and recent tabs.

http://digg.com/lifestyle/popular/24hours
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 11, 2007, 10:04:54 PM
Wow this place is hoppin' since yesterday! I've taken all this time to get through the posts on here alone! That's really exciting for everyone.

And by the sounds of it Brandon just made some big bucks in Book sales. WooHoo!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 11, 2007, 10:11:30 PM
There are some people on other message boards who are worried about "dozens of books being released in Mr. Jordan's name." One thing Brandon hasn't really emphasized in his responses to that is that he's constantly coming up with ideas for his own books, and these ideas are already competing with each other for his time.

I for one hope there are not a dozen Jordan/Sanderson books in the future. Not because I doubt they would be good reads, but because Brandon is a versatile and creative writer whose next original creation I am very eager to see. It pains me that I won't see more of Scribbler or Dragonsteel for over a year. I mean, I still have The Sixth Incarnation of Pandora and the 2nd half of Final Empire Prime to read, but that won't fill much time at all.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 11, 2007, 10:38:47 PM
Sci-Fi wire picked up the news
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=5&id=46212
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Child of Hurin on December 11, 2007, 11:34:38 PM
Hello!  I am new here, and wanted to congratulate Brandon on this!  I am a WoT fan, and I have (sadly) never heard of Brandon Sanderson before.  However, after perusing these forums and seeing how involved he is in his community, I am glad he got this gig.  I will definitely be buying all of his books after reading all of these great things.  I am in the school of WoT fans who believe that the series has degraded over the past few books (although Book 11 was much improved), and therefore I hope Brandon is given enough creative freedom to finish the series strongly.

Even though I want to know what happens in Book 12, I do not envy Brandon's task of learning the massive "database" of WoT knowledge.  For those who have never read WoT, it is a series that requires you to re-read the entire series each time a book comes out, or you have no hope of understanding the details of what is going on.  Check out the famous Wheel of Time FAQ (hasn't been updated since 2004):  http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/0_admin/0.01_intro.html
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 11, 2007, 11:48:34 PM
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I for one hope there are not a dozen Jordan/Sanderson books in the future.

Man, so do I. I've read Jordan Sanderson's writing and it's barely legible.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Errent on December 12, 2007, 01:14:52 AM
I figure I should congratulate Brandon again, publicly. I mean hey, I don't want to be thought a jerk, and Brandon deserves not just praise and grats, but repeated praise and grats. Way to go. Steve and I were expecting something big, but we couldn't have imagined something so . . . perfect.

I think that, as far as Jordan/Sanderson books go . . . I'll be happy to have closer. I probably wouldn't mind some sort of memorial publishing; a single work that allows everyone to revel in the depth of Jordan's world and remember him . . . fleshing out ideas he wasn't able to share without seeing his work commercialized. Something tasteful.

Also, a shout out to Child of Hurin. Welcome to the boards! Glad to see another convert.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: 42 on December 12, 2007, 01:39:50 AM
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I think that, as far as Jordan/Sanderson books go

We really need to come up with a better convention than calling them Jordan/Sanderson books. It's just too disturbing. (For those of you who don't understand why just humor those of us who do.)

Robert Jordan/Brandon Sanderson books is preferable.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 12, 2007, 01:48:51 AM
From my boards:
Quote from: YamPuff
Peterrrrr, use your influence and have him put yaoi in it. D:> A small Rand x Mat scene, nothing big.
Ha ha ha ha ha...

(THIS IS A JOKE. Or at least, I am posting it here as a joke.)

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I for one hope there are not a dozen Jordan/Sanderson books in the future.

Man, so do I. I've read Jordan Sanderson's writing and it's barely legible.
That was completely unintentional...I swear...
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Daarian on December 12, 2007, 01:49:59 AM
How about we go with RJ/BS books :P for a good shorten up...

ok.. yeah.. maybe not the best initialing there.. I'll shut up now.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Arsolos on December 12, 2007, 06:00:06 AM
Brandon,

I want to offer my congratulations on your selection to complete the Wheel of Time. I read your eulogy to Robert Jordan and was amazed by how eloquent and well-written it was. In particular, the last line, "You go quietly, but leave us trembling." While I'm sorry to say that until the recent announcement, I'd never read any of your books, I just went on to Amazon tonight and ordered both Mistborn books as well as Elantris. I can't wait for them to arrive so I can begin reading them and I'm sure you'll see more posts from me as I read through them. After spending the last two hours browsing your site and your forums, I am really impressed by the warm relationship you have with your fans and hope that I will soon be counted among their numbers. Good luck with A Memory of Light.

-A Future Fan

Tim
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: nightciris on December 12, 2007, 07:24:01 AM
Oi, this site confuses me. But I thought I would drop in and pass on my well-wishes for the continuation of AMoL--I don't tend to post online a lot, but decided I would for this. Like the hordes of other rabid WoT fans making the transition, I, too, will make the trek to acquire your books in the near future, and wish you the best of luck. The task is daunting, but as Harriet selected you, I figure all will be well. You seem to have a good rapport with your fans, and from the little I have read about and from you, are a genuinely pleasant man who writes with flair. Thanks for committing your time and effort to such a colossal project--I'm rooting for you!

~Elena

Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Krelian on December 12, 2007, 08:40:20 AM
Just finished Elantris after buying the book last night.  For all other WoTers out there, buy it and read it.  Its great, and I haven't even started Mistborn yet, which Brandon says is his better work.  Look forward to getting involved in that as well.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Sweetheart on December 12, 2007, 10:14:51 AM
Please forgive my intrusion into what seems to be a very close community. I’m not someone who posts often on forums or a big Wheel of Time community member but I would like to say thank you for this endeavor. I have been held captive by the Wheel for 16 years now and it is a relief to hear that Harriet has asked you to help us make it to Tarmon Gai'don.

Even though I want to know what happens in Book 12, I do not envy Brandon's task of learning the massive "database" of WoT knowledge.  For those who have never read WoT, it is a series that requires you to re-read the entire series each time a book comes out, or you have no hope of understanding the details of what is going on.  Check out the famous Wheel of Time FAQ (hasn't been updated since 2004):  http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/0_admin/0.01_intro.html

It seems like the main fan-driven WOTFAQ hasn't been updated in a few years, which is a shame.

(For your fans that want to get acquainted with W.O.T. before your book comes out). Other than www.dragonmount.com and Wheel of Time FAQ I use www.encyclopaedia-wot.org most often to help me keep things straight. It is a very thorough site with everything from chapter summaries to notes on anyone and anything in the books. Careful though if you haven’t read all the books yet because all that information equals spoilers.

I have been looking for a new author and the posts in this forum lead me to believe I have found him. I think I’ll start with the Mistborn trilogy, though a story finished in three books will seem strange. :D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shecky on December 12, 2007, 07:22:19 PM
Brandon, like so many others, I'm making my first foray into these forums to congratulate you and to wish you all the best in the MONUMENTAL job you have in front of you in AMoL. So walk in the light... or else.  :D

... just kidding. You seem to be a huge fan of WoT and I'm certain you'll do everything humanly possibly to do the series justice. :) Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: ImMe on December 12, 2007, 10:55:24 PM
So amazing! Congratulations and good luck.  :)  I discovered WoT back in high school when there were a half-dozen or so out, and got frustrated enough with not getting the whole story that I decided to wait until the series was complete to have one big read-fest and read them all. Ten years later... It's sad that RJ passed without being able to finish his work, but how great that he has someone that is such a fan to complete his legacy. I've been a Brandon Sanderson fan since I picked up Elantris in Borders while waiting in line for Harry Potter (5 I think) and have been a huge fan ever since. I've just lurked in timewasters before now, but this is big enough news that I wanted to jump in and make my presence known. It's a big job, but if anyone can do it, you can!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: wastical on December 12, 2007, 11:45:31 PM
Hi everyone! I heard word of Brandon taking over tWoT on Monday and wanted to go out and buy one of his books on tuesday but there that ice storm... Sooo I went out today and Borders didn't have any in stock!!! They were all sold out! Im going to order tonight online at Amazon.... Im really excited to learn of a new author and to have my favorite series finished. I have been passing on word, but the women at my work don't really read anything! Congrats to Brandon from me and my two sisters and we will be checking in here and dragonmount!!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 12, 2007, 11:52:07 PM
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I for one hope there are not a dozen Jordan/Sanderson books in the future.

Man, so do I. I've read Jordan Sanderson's writing and it's barely legible.

Hey at least I spell better then the other Sanderson (or at least am more proficient with spell check)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: achren99 on December 13, 2007, 12:50:10 AM
The Way of Kings sounds cool too :)!  In other words, I'll buy and read whatever you write.  I'll always hold out hope for Dragonsteel, though. 
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Eagle Prince on December 13, 2007, 03:22:07 AM
I thought I finally got to wipe my hands clean of Wheel of Time, I wasn't even interested in finishing it with RJ gone.  Now the Pusher is in my home town, and bad habbits are hard to break.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: TheLazyWolf on December 13, 2007, 07:11:43 AM
Another new convert, here.

Originally apprehensive about the idea, immediately relieved after reading the interview at dragonmount. Currently wishing someone had told Borders ahead of a time, so i could be reading your other books  right now

I think you should call them bRANDon Sanderson books if you do others ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 13, 2007, 07:09:15 PM
bRANDon....hmm that's pretty quick.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Jhaeli on December 13, 2007, 08:54:23 PM
Congratulations!

I read up until about book 9 or so a few years ago and never got around to finishing the newer books; I liked them, but I'm not a diehard WoT fan.

Opposite to what so many are saying, I may just end up reading the rest of WoT because of Brandon Sanderson. I know, that's not what his intentions are - from what I've gathered, EUOL seems the type to want someone to read the books for Jordan's sake. I do respect Robert Jordan and his writing. However, I will say that my attention has been re-focused on reading the rest of WoT because of this announcement.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Leopoled Boothe on December 14, 2007, 12:21:53 AM
Mr. Sanderson,

I just want to start by saying congrts on being chosen to complete the best darned fantasy epic this side of JRR Tolkien.  As a long time fan of WOT I would like offically put forth a vote of confidence in your ability to do this series justice.  Afterall, you do have the three most important qualifications:

1. You are an acomplished fantasy writer
2. You seem to be a big fan of Mr. Jordan's work
3. You were hand picked by Harriet, the person who knew RJ best (could she possibly go wrong).

Also congrats on being the first WOT fan to know the idenity of Asmodean's killer.  Its a bummer about the NDA.  I guess that does prevent you from telling us who Asmo's killer is, but does it prevent you from telling us who who the killer isn't?   For example, if I were to post a list of my top three suspects would you be able and willing to eliminate one of them?  ;D

I understand that often times the prolouge to WOT books is released several months prior to the release of the actual books.  Is there any chance that this will be the case with AMoL and if so is there any chance that you might work the identity of Asmo's killer into the prolouge? (As I guess you've figured out I'm dying to know, but hey I have been waiting 14 years to find out). ;D

Ok but enough about Asmodean.  Another thing I'm dying to know is will Hurin appear in AMoL?  Mind you, I'm not asking for any details about what role he will play in the book, I just want to know if he's in it.   Its been along time since we've heard from Hurin and I kind of miss the little guy.

Anyway, thanks for your time and thanks for bringing the conclusion of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time into the world.  Best of luck with the project.

LB
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: wastical on December 14, 2007, 02:16:35 AM
Currently wishing someone had told Borders ahead of a time, so i could be reading your other books  right now

I totally agree... Borders dropped the ball on this one! As I posted before I tried to go there and none were in stock. I have purchased them on amazon and did the 1 day shipping hoping to start them this weekend, but thanks to the holidays they arent due to arrive until monday!

So much for the 1 day shipping- it cost more than the 2 books together!!! (I guess a couple days wont hurt me, but I have been searching aimlessly for a new good author and haven't been satisfied and after hearing Harriet hand pick Brandon Im totally psyched for these books!)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bookstore Guy on December 14, 2007, 02:55:55 AM
if anyone lives in the Utah area, the Waldens in the Provo mall usually has tons of copies in stock.  A lot of times signed too. 
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Daarian on December 14, 2007, 03:02:23 AM
To bad I dont live anywhere near there. I would love to get some signed copies.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: dtbmnec on December 14, 2007, 03:13:51 AM
I can't wait for this book to come out.

I'm sure you will do him proud!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Andor on December 14, 2007, 05:37:05 AM
Well brandon,

Lol i've never heard of you but today found myself buying all your books. if there is any woman i trust it's hariet.
Thank you Mr. Sanderson, i dont envy you the pressure but the wheel weaves what the wheel wills.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Isabel on December 14, 2007, 07:18:10 AM
Hi Brandon,

As a big RJ fan I do have a few things to say:

 I am not sure if you are able to answer the next question, or even allowed to answer it.
How much of the book has RJ written?  In the past you said things that made me believe that he wrote the beginning.
He was almost ready with the prologue he said on his blog. Did he wrote more than the prologue (like also the first few chapters)?
I also understood he wrote / or dictated the end?
You also said something that made me conclude he also worked on some major scenes. Are most of the major scenes alsmost done or would you also have to write most of them?
Can you estimate how many pages had RJ written?
Anyway don't answer it if you think Harriet wouldn't want you to answer it.

Good luck writing the last book. Please take your time with it.

Oh one last thing, if you mess up Nynaeve, you are in trouble :P

Isabel / Emma
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: achren99 on December 14, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
There are lots of his autographed books at the Borders in Riverwoods--of course that is also in Provo, so probably wouldn't help most of you...sorry. 
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: apbadd on December 14, 2007, 06:36:17 PM
I will have to check stores here in AZ.  Considering Wal-Marts here carry LDS books hopefully Borders or Barnes and Noble have adjusted as well and have books by LDS authors.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 14, 2007, 06:40:33 PM
To bad I don't live anywhere near there. I would love to get some signed copies.

Well be selling signed copies on his website soon.  Don't know about price but it probably won't be more expensive then buying at a book store (not sure about shipping yet).  Look for these to go up after Christmas sometime, there's no point in us putting them up now since no one will be around to fulfill orders until close to next year.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Insomnius on December 14, 2007, 07:28:11 PM
Mr Sanderson.

Congratulations on having been "Chosen" - although you may wish to dissociate yourself with that word while at the helm of the good ship Wheel of Time - perhaps selected would be better ;)

For no other reason than I can, I'd like to share with you the moments I have been imagining in the resolution of this tremendous series to which you have been entrusted.

In no particular order...

1 - When Rand and Galad meet as half-brothers.
2 - When Gawyn learns that his mother is still alive - ditto Elayne.
3 - When Elaida discovers that the royal line of Andor that she had the Foretelling about was not the house of Trakand but that of Tigraine...
4 - Mat, Thom and the 3rd entering the Tower Of Genjei to rescue Moiraine - who I am sure is alive (famous last words eh?) (Yes I'm Canadian!)
5 - Elayne facing down Elaida and being invested as Amyrlin Seat for true.
6 - Tuon meeting the Dragon Reborn for real.
7 - When Lan arrives at Tarwin's Gap to see the horde of soldiers willing to follow the Golden Crane banner...

The above are events I am "fairly" certain will occur as RJ foreshadowed them so completely that it would take a very deft twist to make me believe otherwise - but you are fleet of pen so I invite you to try :D

What follows are the questions I have that I hope are answered in Memory of Light.

1 - What is Logain's glory going to be?
2 - Do Slayer/Luc and Padan Fain/Mordeth meet in some sort of duel or battle? There seems to be some unwritten history between those two - some unfinished business...
3 - I admit it - I have only a vague idea who killed Asmodean - who the flip was it?
4 - Is Sammael alive?
5 - Is Morridin/Ishamael the 3rd Dragon? In one of the conversation between Lews Therin and Rand, Lews refers to an "other" one. In The Eye Of The World, Ishamael tells Rand that it had happened - that a Dragon from an earlier age had been turned to The Dark Lord. I suspect strongly that Ishamel speaks of himself here - perhaps that contributed to his apparent madness? Min has a vision of Rand's face and another and the kind of coalesce - and as Morridin is described as being of a size with Rand - kind of rare given that Rans is apparently 6ft 6 inches tall - is Morridin the one who merges with Rand?
6 - How will Rand die in order to live?

I loved Warbreaker by the way - read it all in one day - the same day I downloaded v3.5. I do think that you will do the series justice - given that you too are a fan of the series - something I think is very important.

Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 14, 2007, 08:30:39 PM
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One of the fun part with RJ was trying to get him to answer questions and see if he answered them.

that's one of the things that drove me nuts! And IMO something that drove alot of potential fans away, he never answered questions, like a Lost episode or something.

I loved Lost until I couldn't stand the suspense anymore, and I read book #11 of TWOT thinking, 'if he doesn't answer some questions, I'm done.'

Several people I know are the same way. two of which gave up entirely.

And since we're giving opinions, (that I'm sure Brandon can't address because, I'm assuming that the plot is pretty well laid out by RJ) can we have more Aviendha please, she's my fav. character and I think he's kinda dropped her.  ;)

Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Insomnius on December 14, 2007, 08:37:44 PM
Why do you think Aviendha was dropped?


Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 14, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
** slight spoiler in this post**

Cause she goes off with everyone to (I can't even remember where it's been so long, Toman Head? or somewhere) and that's the last you hear of her, is she even in the 11th book? the only part I remember that might have talked about her was when Rand loses his hand, and Elayne feels it from so far away, I think maybe they say that Aviendha does to (I"m not even sure about that)
So, I think she's kinda been dropped and that makes me sad cause she's pretty tough, and if there's anything I like in my books it's a tough female character.

Eowyn, Aviendha, Vin... the men in my family keep saying they can pick out which books I'll read by that alone. (how little they really know me, I like other books to... every once in a while)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: qed on December 15, 2007, 12:54:09 AM
I am a long time Robert Jordan reader (1991). Have met him a few times at signings/readings. I consistently have said the Wheel of Time series is the best adventure/fantasy series since Tolkien. I was shocked and saddened when Mr. Jordan passed. Although the story won't be finished by Mr. Jordan I am have confidence in the selection of Brandon Sanderson by the Jordan family.

To Mr. Sanderson good luck and thank you for attempting this daunting task. I am looking forward to the finale of the series.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: TheLazyWolf on December 15, 2007, 01:50:05 AM
With respect to my fellow fresh converts, I think it would be best if we try to keep this thread as a good opportunity to meet Brandon and give him our encouragement. We should  start a new thread for all the burning WoT questions we all want answered, since we know he can't actually answer them  :P
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 15, 2007, 02:29:00 AM
I'm not asking Brandon anything, I'm just trying to have a semi lively discussion of TWOT, instead of 8 pages of how wonderful Brandon is.... not to say he isn't, I'm just getting bored  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: rempires on December 15, 2007, 11:39:05 PM
Congrats BS, I just decided to come over from wotmania and say it.  As you already know since they've interviewed you before about your other books and you post there, they are a nice community and any questions you have will be answered promptly there, they also have a fairly recent faq that is still be updated if you didn't know.

I also came here to give you a warning, wot fans can be.... hmm temperamental?  so i guess what i'm saying is if you forget about bela, there is a good chance that you might find yourself with a mob wielding two rivers long bows and some trolic armor outside your house the day after it's released. (btw, bela is that horse from book 1 that jsut keeps re-appearing in all the books....)

anyway good luck to your Brandon and i hope you can deal with all us wot fans.  btw, use wotmania over dragonmount, we like you more :) .
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: stacer on December 16, 2007, 01:53:47 AM
I will have to check stores here in AZ.  Considering Wal-Marts here carry LDS books hopefully Borders or Barnes and Noble have adjusted as well and have books by LDS authors.

The two ideas don't really have anything to do with each other. Tor is a national publisher, not an LDS publisher. They just happen to have a few authors who happen to be LDS.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: ashaman on December 16, 2007, 05:35:29 AM
So despite my lifelong scifi/fantasy addiction, I hadn't come across Brandon Sanderson's work prior to hearing that he would be writing the twelfth volume of the Wheel of Time.  I'd be interested to see a chart showing his Amazon sales rank following the announcement, because I assume there are a lot of people like me who immediately went out and bought some of his books.  I'll admit I was a bit nervous. 

Over the past 24 hours, I've finished mistborn and am working on well of ascension.  I've loved them both, and I'm also looking forward to Elantris (had to order that one online).

I'm no longer worried about having Brandon finish the Wheel of Time.  Only one issue gives me pause.  I realize that when I registered for this forum I agreed not to post anything "sexually oriented."  I hope this doesn't qualify, though it's indicative of my worry that his forum has this qualification.  Robert Jordan's books contain sex.  While I have yet to finish the Well of Ascension, so far I've found nothing "sexually oriented" in the books (I don't count a few kisses and lap-sitting).  This certainly doesn't keep me from enjoying the books.  I don't even think it lessens my enjoyment of them.  But the characters in the Wheel of Time have sex; they have explicit adult relationships, both in and out of marriage.  And I want that to be part of book 12.  I remember sitting seven years ago with a friend discussing when Elayne would finally hook up with Rand.  I loved reading about it when it finally did happen (book 8? 9?), and reminiscing with that same friend, who by then lived across the country.

These books have been an important, continuing part of my life.  Like many others, I haven't loved how the later books have expanded the plot lines almost beyond the point of no return.  But unlike many of my friends, I've continued to love and read and reread the books.  I started reading them when the Dragon Reborn was in hardback.  Since 1991 I've been reading them (I just looked that up).  That's 16 years now.

Based on how much I like his books, I think Brandon is eminently capable of finishing the series masterfully.  I can't wait to read his addition.  I just hope that it models the tone and content of the books that Robert Jordan wrote.  An earlier poster listed the things he wanted to see in the final book.  I want to see all of those as well.  But I also want to see Tuon and Mat move beyond kissing.  I want to see Egwene and Gawyn's relationship develop.  I want to see Rand's women interact as they deal with being in love, and sleeping, with the same guy.  I want more of Faile's blushing sexual innuendo.  I love the relationships that the characters have - I've come to care about them.  If everyone becomes suddenly prudish in the final book, or if sex is only alluded to obliquely, I'll be very disappointed. 

I grew up in Utah, and many of my very good friends are LDS.  I grew up reading Orson Scott Card's books, and loving them.  But I do worry that an LDS writer won't give me all that I'm looking for in the last Wheel of Time book.  And that's really it.  It's just that so much of what Jordan's characters are is derived from their fully developed adult sexuality, and I hope that remains a major element of Brandon Sanderson's contribution.  Maybe my worries are unfounded and as I read further into the Well of Ascension the characters will start hooking up like mad.  We'll see.  But all of my friends who like fantasy are probably asleep by now, and I needed a place to vent my worries. 

Good luck Brandon, I think you're a captivating writer, I wish you all the best, and I'll be buying all your books - WoT or otherwise - in the future.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: stacer on December 16, 2007, 08:33:21 AM
Actually, I personally found the characters a lot less interesting when they all went all sexual. The women all started melding into one character with different dresses, who all pulled their braids and focused on their breasts a whole lot more than any normal woman really would.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 16, 2007, 09:44:21 AM
I'm not asking Brandon anything, I'm just trying to have a semi lively discussion of TWOT, instead of 8 pages of how wonderful Brandon is.... not to say he isn't, I'm just getting bored  ;)

You can all start talking about how great I am instead, I'm sure you could get a few months worth of discussion out of that.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: apbadd on December 16, 2007, 11:24:43 PM
I will have to check stores here in AZ.  Considering Wal-Marts here carry LDS books hopefully Borders or Barnes and Noble have adjusted as well and have books by LDS authors.

The two ideas don't really have anything to do with each other. Tor is a national publisher, not an LDS publisher. They just happen to have a few authors who happen to be LDS.

If bookstores do not cater to the demographic then they are running a pretty lame business.  If I were in an area with a heavy Jewish population I would think it would make sense to carry more than average volumes of works by Jewish authors.  Not a very complex marketing idea, ya think?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Krelian on December 17, 2007, 03:24:58 AM
I have to agree about the sexuality aspect of the books.  Its perhaps the one thing that maybe won't and can't transfer between certain authors writing styles.  If I read Min's vision of Aviendha correctly in Winter's Heart, Aviendha is going to have quadruplets with Rand being the father.  Since she isn't pregnant now, that pretty much means she has to have sex with Rand in the future, and is perhaps the remanent of the remanent of the Aiel that shall be saved.  It is most likely the reason the Wise Ones were so insistent that Aviendha start sleeping in the same room as Rand.   Even so, its not as though Robert Jordan went into such explicit details that it can't be mentioned in the books.  In Far Snows in Fires of Heaven where Rand loses his virginity most likely with Aviendha, it wasn't as though he described their couple hour romp in the sex igloo.  The Far Snows Dance written online a year or so later did that, and it got through threatened with legal action and was taken down.  It is mentioned, but never described, so I hope that Brandon will continue to mention sexual occurances, even though he doesn't have to describe them.  I think certain children from these couplings are fufilling a few prophecies so have to take place.  If all of a sudden Aviendha shows up pregnant without at least a mention of Rand spending a few hours alone with her, that will be a little disappointing.

But as to that, I think all the WoT transfers to this board need to lay off what should be and what shouldn't be in the books.  RJ left an outline and notes.  Brandon's job is to flesh it out.  I know he said Perrin is his favorite character and looks forward to finishing out his story.  I can say that Mat went from being my least favorite to most favorite character over the life of the series and look forward to his expanded role in the Seanchan Empire.  The fact is, Brandon has been entrusted to the series, so Brandon shall write the series, and no amount of pleading would have swayed RJ, so there is no reasong to sway Brandon.  He has done a masterful job on his others books, and I've enjoyed reading Elantris and Mistborn.  Took me a day for each in my days off work, and look forward to reading Well of Ascension once I get my next day off.  Keep up the good work Brandon, and have fun with this.  Hopefully your other book sales have skyrocketed over this news announcement.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Daarian on December 17, 2007, 04:21:39 AM
The fact is, Brandon has been entrusted to the series, so Brandon shall write the series, and no amount of pleading would have swayed RJ, so there is no reasong to sway Brandon.  He has done a masterful job on his others books,...

I agree... I have also devoured his writing even though I had nto intended too.. curses for Warbreaker being online.. it was just TOO accessible... I couldnt resist.. and now I have read Mistborn and had to rush out to get Well of Ascension while I was at it I also picked up Elantris so I should be done with those by this weekend. His work is phenominal and I am glad he was chosen to finish the series for us, even though I was just hoping for RJ's notes to be published instead. I am glad the announcement has introduced me to an author who has captivated me with the same intensity and madness in which I was first captured by RJ.

Well wishes in your career Brandon. I look forward to reading many more of your works. Just take your time with AMoL, if we have to wait 3 years to read it then so be it, we have waited all this time anyway. :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: The Jade Knight on December 17, 2007, 10:07:45 AM
I for one would prefer less sexual content…

Ultimately, I trust Brandon's discretion.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: achren99 on December 17, 2007, 08:00:52 PM
I agree about all of the girls melding into the same person--except for a few exceptions--like Egwene (because Gawyn is gone...).  They've gotten better--but after Nynaeve got married I was so angry.  I'm like--where is her character?  Does she just exist to please Lan?  Same thing happened to Min, in my opinion.  It's like--in real life, just because a girl is having sex, does that make her completely change and spend all of her time trying to seduce her man?  In my experience, no. lol
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Jingo on December 17, 2007, 08:09:10 PM
I've read your first book and was "mildly" impressed, Your series was MUCH better, and  convinced me that you would be adequate to complete WOT.  Thank you.. .the final Book has been a Long time Coming.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 18, 2007, 03:52:35 AM
I find sexual content to be a lousy deciciding factor. We're not talking about a Harlequin Romance Novel, and RJ did not bring sexuality into it until later, Avienda and Rand was hardly provocative and I find the 11th book to be obnoxiously reminiscent of our society today.

I think Brandon is a good writer who can do justice to the book without sexuality.... as that is hardly the main point of the storyline.
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I'm not asking Brandon anything, I'm just trying to have a semi lively discussion of TWOT, instead of 8 pages of how wonderful Brandon is.... not to say he isn't, I'm just getting bored  Wink

You can all start talking about how great I am instead, I'm sure you could get a few months worth of discussion out of that.

Yes! Exactly what I was looking for... 8 pages of thread on Spriggant.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: VegasDev on December 18, 2007, 10:22:19 PM
While I have yet to finish the Well of Ascension, so far I've found nothing "sexually oriented" in the books (I don't count a few kisses and lap-sitting). 

Might try downloading and reading Warbreaker.  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Insomnius on December 19, 2007, 12:19:37 PM
Krelian - In your post about Aviendha's quadruplets you said It is most likely the reason the Wise Ones were so insistent that Aviendha start sleeping in the same room as Rand.  However Min had her vision of Aviendha's quadruplets well after Aviendha had stopped sleeping in the same room.

If, on the other hand, you mean that the Wise Ones were hoping for Aviendha to be the mother of the "remnant of a remnant" and so had her sleep near him in the hopes of something happening, then it's more likely.

My own personal opinion is that since the Aiel have such a complicated social system, they wanted Aviendha to teach him Aiel ways so that he would not offend anyone through ignorance.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Isabel on December 19, 2007, 12:52:11 PM
Insomnius: if you read carefully between the lines than you see that the wise ones wanted that Aviendha and Rand got something, so that he was bound to the Aiel on a more personal way.

Rand not offending anyone was an extra plus and they gave that as official reason.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Loud_G on December 19, 2007, 06:28:41 PM
I am so excited that the Wheel of Time is going to be finished and by the look of your credentials, I think it is going to be an excellent book indeed.  I'm rather glad that you as a good writer (and a member of the church) got the call to write it. I cannot imagine what would have happened if the likes of George R.R. Martin would have got his mitts on it. Yes, the writing would have been well done, but it would be full of horribly descriptive love scenes, not to mention that we might get Myrdraal raping women and be forced into a description in minute detail. YUCK!

So I was pleasantly surprised to hear that you were picked. I am even now looking for your books and I have started the one that is on your site.

Good work, I look forward to the rest. :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 19, 2007, 06:40:19 PM
You guys aren't taking into account that Aviendha saw all the paths of her future and discussed it with the Wise One's. I think they have other ways of seeing what happens than Min's foretellings. Also Min said something was 'wrong' with that foretelling. I think (and totally just from that little bit) that they aren't Rands children at all. But I read to much and often see more in things than is really there.

I do get things right sometimes though. ;)

I agree that it is acceptable to mention that there is an 'encounter' without going into explicit detail. I don't think Brandon will fail on that part.

EOUL does this make you uncomfortable?  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Flian on December 20, 2007, 09:55:40 PM
Well I shot Brandon an email from his website but as I know he will be overrun with Jordan fans in that email I came looking elsewhere and look what I found.....

Like everyone else I hear this unknown name of Brandon sanderwho? and I think, hrm... Harriet picked it, this man must be near as one can come to having a chance to do Jordan justice.  I put my full faith in the shade of Rigney's heart, knowing that she has been there for the whole long ride of WOT, and that if there is anyone that would know it would be her.  She holds the fate of Rand and the Two rivers in her hands more so than any living person.

As to Brandon and his skill at writing, I shall find out first hand when like so many others I pick up his books.  As to the writing style and content.... LDS doesnt mean he is not capable of writing any given style.  It is his religion the foundation of his beliefs.  Not the end all be all of who and what he is capable and willing to do.

Have you seen an LDS member drink caffeinated beverages? drink wine? beer?  Perhaps you've seen one spank their kids?  Have you heard one cuss?  Have you known an LDS member go into the military and use their M60 to level hoards of enemies?  Have you seen the blood of an LDS woman when she gives birth to her children?  Have you been intimate with a member of the LDS church?  If you have, and I've seen most of this my friends, then you know that an LDS member is nothing more than a person, a human being like you or me, each with strengths and weaknesses.  If we chose now to judge him by his faith then we chose to dishonor not only his religion but our own.

Within the foundations of WOT I have enjoyed greatly the sexuality as well as the battle scenes.  Go read Goodkind, you will see a very similar story, but you will find a graphic nature that makes you sick.  Jordan was a master at telling us how the very earth was rendered in the red blood of friend and foe without telling us the details and yet we see it in our mind.  Aviendha and Rand first make love, and there is no descriptions of body parts and orgiastic pleasures... it was subtle and and we saw it better for it.  I've no desire nor want to hear the minute detail of the gore of battle nor the intimate secrets of lovers.  I would sooner believe that Brandon will write closer to Jordan than Goodkind.  I love Jordan for his subtleties it is why I have stayed with the series so long and bought the hardbacks the moment I could.... lesser authors if I bother, I wait for softbacks, because they are not worth the money.

To Brandon, I laugh at those who would bother to bring your faith into this matter, for in my mind it has no bearing, if you were making porn perhaps it would be in contradiction, or if you were asked to run an establishment of strip clubs.... but for writing a book from an author who was the king of subtle description I would say the LDS faith should be an asset not a deterrent.

Good luck, may you find the shade and water you need to finish the series we have waited so long for.  I am as yet torn at the thought of the words being finished by other than Jordan himself, and yet, like so many others I want so much to see the final story on paper, and the Wheel of Time to finish its circle that it can once more begin to spin again.

Flian
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mfreeman73 on December 21, 2007, 09:27:58 PM
The great thing about this is if Rand gets in trouble at the end of the book, Vin will be able to come in and help save the day. Of course, Rand will want to try and marry her, but Elend may have something to say about that.   :P
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: achren99 on December 21, 2007, 11:31:27 PM
Yeah, her atium would really come in handy, especially against the gholm (spelling?).  :) 

Elend is a much better choice for husband than Rand -- I think if Vin was tempted to leave Elend it would be for Mat or Perrin... :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Daarian on December 21, 2007, 11:47:29 PM
**shakes his head with a chuckle** you know... no.. nevermind.. I dont even want to contemplate the cross-breeding of those two series. **shudders**

Though, one wonders if the Fox Head Medallion would protect itself against Allomantic effects
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: RheaKelly on December 22, 2007, 12:12:52 AM
Hello all im a avid WOT fan and havent had the pleasure of reading any of Brandon's stuff (apart from the first three chaps of Mistborn on the website which were ace!) because the stupid bookstores in Ireland don't stock the man so it seems! Bloody ridiculous I say! Anyway hopefully Ill get the mistborn series via the web soon. Just sending my wishes Brandon the best of luck in everything he has big shoes to fill but seems like he'll do a fine job.

Oh by the way Brandon I am part of the wotmud.org playing database so if you need some info on anything wot related just post on the forums there and you'll have your answer in a jiffy.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Spriggan on December 23, 2007, 12:51:25 AM
I'm also sure he'll appreciate it if people don't speak for him.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Krelian on December 23, 2007, 01:21:46 AM
fine bruce, i won't
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Vagabondbard on December 23, 2007, 05:17:29 PM
I too have been reading WOT for more than half my life, but I also knew of Brandon Sanderson books for a while now having read Elantris and Mistborn some time ago.  I believe I read Elantris in Hardback but I am not sure anymore.  I know I first came upon Jordan in Trade Paperback and I have judged ALL writers of Fantasy against The Eye of the World since then.

Mr. Sanderson I love reading your books...I love finding "new" writers of merit and was happy when I found you.  The same goes for a host of new fantasy writers out there right now that have captured what I think is a an unprecendented batch of "high end"  Fantasy as you and others have termed it.

There will be those who hate you for writing AMoL.  There will be those who will become fans.   There will be all kinds of people in between those two opinions, and you seem to have grasped that fact aready for that you get all the kudos I can give you.  (offically none btw because I my opinion is just that... mine.)

I do not know what all this discussion of LDS writers means or does not mean.  My wish is for you to write the characters as you and Harriet see fit.  If that means they have sex then they do.  I believe the character speaks to the writer and that they live in the mind of the writer.  If you reach that stage with characters I have cherished for so many years I will love rereading AMoL as much as I have reread the rest of Robert Jordan's books.

Good Luck to you but you won't need it.

"You will do well"-Moraine

Richard
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: dtbmnec on December 23, 2007, 10:47:32 PM
the only part I remember that might have talked about her was when Rand loses his hand,

O.O

Obviously I'm behind....

I"m gonna go back to reading the entire series again so I at LEAST know what the heck is going on....
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: CUBAREY on December 26, 2007, 10:59:41 AM
I do not see why anyone would be concerned with Mr. Sanderson writing  the "sex scenes" in AMOL. Robert Jordon's description of "sex" in the WOL series is as descritive as the sex seen in Warbreaker. Both authors set up the seen and allude to the fact that the characters were intimate but no actual "sex" is seen. Plus, the only sex that may be referred to in AMOL would likely be between Rand and Avi (and Avi will likely leave a wreath at Rand's feet prior to there activity), and this can be alluded to not necesssarily described.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: charity on December 27, 2007, 04:19:54 AM
I love that nick name... Avi, I've been trying to convince my husband to give our next daughter the middle name of Aviendha. He's still not unconvinced, he says it's to obvious. So I said, how 'bout Eowyn, since she's just as cool. For some reason he just shook his head and walked away **shrugs**
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Daarian on December 27, 2007, 05:30:43 AM
When me and my fiance (now ex) were talking about children we had decided on WoTesque names for them, or at least their middle names. Not directly characters from the books but characters we played in our WoT RPG, to bad we arent together anymore. Guess I'll just have to convince my next girlfriend to love WoT as much as I do.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: rosspain on December 28, 2007, 04:53:57 AM
I've been a fan of the series ever since I was about 12... I was so psyched when I finally saw the article yesterday that Brandon was going to finish WoT.  I was just wondering when a memory of light is going to be finished... anyo0ne know?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: CUBAREY on December 28, 2007, 01:05:24 PM
Tentative publication date is fall 2009.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: CUBAREY on December 28, 2007, 02:48:43 PM
I have a Question, and this is not attempting to be in anyway disrespectful. Mr. Sanderson, I have read and thoroughly enjoyed Warbreaker, The Final Empire and I am currently reading The Well of Ascension. I have also read a large portion of these threads (including the 40 or so pages of the Warbreaker thread and the Fan Art thread). Now my question is this, why do you spend so little time describing the physical settings and clothing in your books?  It never entered my consciousness when I was reading the books, but it really became evident when viewing the FanArt threads, especially your comments therein.  Your description of the men's costumes being similar to circa 1800 England was a bit jarring as I viewed them more utilitarian ( even the nobles ' attire) more 1840's  early Industrial Age England  (maybe from from the way Breese was described). In any case, what I am trying to ask is whether the sketchy descriptions were intentional to coincide with the general "dark" imagryor was there another intent? Again, I'm not saying that you should have used more descriptiive language, I thoroughly enjoyed the books, but am still curious.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: skibocastle on January 17, 2008, 10:43:31 PM
I hadn't heard of Brandon before the press release that he was going to finish the Wheel of Time series.  My interest piqued, I went out and read Mistborn, which I absolutely loved.  So, I can't wait to read the finish to the Wheel of Time.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Craysh on February 14, 2008, 01:25:21 AM
I have a Question, and this is not attempting to be in anyway disrespectful. Mr. Sanderson, I have read and thoroughly enjoyed Warbreaker, The Final Empire and I am currently reading The Well of Ascension. I have also read a large portion of these threads (including the 40 or so pages of the Warbreaker thread and the Fan Art thread). Now my question is this, why do you spend so little time describing the physical settings and clothing in your books?  It never entered my consciousness when I was reading the books, but it really became evident when viewing the FanArt threads, especially your comments therein.  Your description of the men's costumes being similar to circa 1800 England was a bit jarring as I viewed them more utilitarian ( even the nobles ' attire) more 1840's  early Industrial Age England  (maybe from from the way Breese was described). In any case, what I am trying to ask is whether the sketchy descriptions were intentional to coincide with the general "dark" imagryor was there another intent? Again, I'm not saying that you should have used more descriptiive language, I thoroughly enjoyed the books, but am still curious.
Honestly I don't think that there will be much room for that kind of in-depth description as there is a lot of stuff that they're going to need to fit into that final book.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: dria on February 29, 2008, 08:32:34 PM
I'm one of the folks brought here by hearing that an author I had never heard of was going to finish off the WoT books.  Honestly, at first I was horrified.  Not that I wanted it never to be finished, but I just couldn't imagine someone else doing it.  I came here with A LOT of skepticism to check out the person who would be completing the WoT, fairly certain that this was going to be awful and I might not even be able to bring myself to read it, which makes what I am going to say so much more shocking.  I used to enjoy reading a great deal, but recently have fallen out of love with it I think, barely reading more than a couple of books in a year.  Since I picked up the first Mistborn book I can't stop.  I devoured that one, ordered the second one (none of the book stores around here seem to carry it, alas) and couldn't stop itching to read more while waiting for it so I started and finished the latest Warbreaker draft.  I may have to go out and get Elantris tonight too after reading the teaser chapters at the end of Warbreaker!  You sir, have turned me into a convert.  Thank you so much for bringing me back to reading, I am thoroughly enjoying it. 

I admire your creativity and style.  You have a gift for character building and dialog that shines.   In closing, all I have to say is that you now have to write faster because I'm almost out of things to read again. :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: rjl on March 05, 2008, 09:14:49 PM
I like many others was attracted to Brandon's website by the news that he would be finishing WoT, unlike some, I wasn't too sceptical, as I presumed that a bad writer would not have been chosen for the project, however, I do not like dashing off to spend money without knowing what I'm buying, so I read warbreaker, having been sufficiently impressed, I will be buying Elantris and Mistborn at the earliest possible convenience. (note it took me quite a while to find the time too read warbreaker, I'm a pretty busy guy atm, so earliest convenience doesn't mean soon...) I can safely say that Brandon has another fan.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Comatose on March 18, 2008, 03:09:50 AM
Man do I ever feel out of the loop.  I guess that's what I get for staying away from Timewasters for so long.  I was trying to get my mind off mistborn, as I was spending far too much time waiting for Well of Ascension to come out.  Then I got busy, and stopped checking the website for annotations and blog posts.  I admit, when I finally got tired of everything, and nothing was going on on my other forum, I recreated my account only to find that Brandon Sanderson is working on some book called Wot or Wheel of Time, that I regretfully haven't heard anything about.  I'll have to read them, though I am reluctant to get into such a long series.  I guesss I'm the opposite of everyone here, because I have been a fan of Brandon Sanderson from that first day I saw a lone copy of Elantris in Mcnally robinson in Saskatoon.  I preordered both the mistborn books on amazon as soon as I could, and I even read Alcatraz.  I don't think any of you guys need to worry about him wrapping things up, if anyone's read Elantris then the know that he has GREAT endings that thoroughly explaibn pretty much everything (except for Seons grr), and he writes with skill, and has a stupendous amount of creativity (as shown in all his books).  And adult fantasy is definately his forte.  The Mistborn Trilogy is my all time favorite, and I can't wait for the last book.  I'm definately happy to be back on the forums.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: DarkCain11 on March 19, 2008, 02:53:33 AM
I think brandon will do great with memory of light i have read every wot novels and final emprire and final emprire was so sweet. I belive he does have the skills to write the final book
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: ocjames on March 22, 2008, 01:47:26 AM
It appears Brandon has not had a chance to come back this way for awhile. Hopefully he does in the future.

As I was reading through this thread I found myself clicking through the last few pages looking for his reply to the post on how he will handle the characters relationships in comparison to Mr. Jordans approach. I know we'll find out eventually but hearing his thoughts would be interesting. :)

JC
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: GITMachine on March 26, 2008, 06:30:15 PM
Hi everyone-

I registered because I noticed a somewhat glaring error in Brandon's latest blog post.  He lists "Crossroads of Twilight" as book eleven of the Wheel of Time, and says that now that he's finished it, he can begin book twelve, "A Memory of Light."

There's one problem- Crossroads of Twilight is book ten!

Does anyone know how to get Brandon's attention?  I sent an email to him through the form on his site, but I'm not sure how often he checks messages he receives that way...

lol I doubt there's a need to worry. Was either a typo, or he's including the prequel New Spring in there. He's been reading from start to finish...would kind of make sense to begin with the prequel.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: SexyTurtle on March 28, 2008, 05:48:02 PM
Meep!! I was severely excited to read yesterday's blog post!! Wow...Brandon makes up for all the time George RR Martin fans have been waiting for the next of his Song of Ice & Fire series...or at least that's how I feel :) Yay for fast readers...and yay for the excitement of putting together the last Wheel of Time book ^_^
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: wilder on March 31, 2008, 05:20:12 PM
I stopped by the copy editors' desks and asked if anyone was a Wheel of Time fan. One raised her hand, and I told her the news...which really confused her, because she had no idea Robert Jordan was no longer alive. Oops.


How could one call themselves a WoT fan if they didn't know the author died SIX months ago?   :o

RIP, Dragon.    :'(
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: wilder on March 31, 2008, 05:25:19 PM
I hadn't heard of Brandon before the press release that he was going to finish the Wheel of Time series.  My interest piqued, I went out and read Mistborn, which I absolutely loved.  So, I can't wait to read the finish to the Wheel of Time.

Same here.  But upon hearing the news, I immediately bought Elantris and the first two Mistborn books.  I've loved them all!  I'm not only excited to have found another great author, but I'm encouraged by Brandon's talent for hooking me right off the bat and keeping me captivated until the final page.  I'm also encouraged by his great respect for Jordan and his own love of the story.  If anyone can do justice to Robert Jordan's epic, it's Brandon Sanderson.  Do us all proud, Brandon!  ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Vintage on April 14, 2008, 02:52:56 PM
Well ! I first would like to congratulate Brandon and wants to assure him I trust him fully to do a wonderful job at it.

This isn't easy for me to say however. I am a member of a well frequented Wheel of Time french forum (http://www.pierre-de-tear.com/index.php). This is where I first heard of Brandon a few months back, actually in december but it was following a very disturbing fact for french people : The editor who bought the rights changed translator in mid serie and the newer one did an awful job placing short swords into aiel hands, and of course, we were outraged to read that they were fighting naval combat !!!!  This new translator never even read the Wheel of Time ! So imagine how nervous we were when we heard about this Brandon Sanderson taking over ! Mind you, one of the very first comment if not the first, it was to say that he had read the Wheel of Time. It was such a relief ! But then hum... You haven't been translated yet, Brandon, so nobody knew you. So I went and I got Elantris and the two Mistborn volumes, and I downloaded Warbreaker as well. I read and had to suffer a few nights of insomnia (willingly) to get to know the end.

Now, not only do I trust Brandon to deliver the job well and in good time, but I'm excited about it and will let the whole forum know. Not only that, but I'm afraid I have been converted and I should stick around here as well. Thanks Brandon !
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on April 14, 2008, 07:54:00 PM
the newer one did an awful job placing short swords into aiel hands
The mind boggles. This is when authors start throwing fits (if they ever find out what happened, that is).
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Vintage on April 14, 2008, 10:37:19 PM
We did for him ! We put up a petition online with a listing of the translation mistakes and others, very impressive, requesting a new translation or at least a very serious revision. Moreover, fans were so outraged that the editor was forced to offer a free book for every other that was purchased or he would have been left with his stock on hand. The books just did not sale well. Not due to Mr Jordan, though, and we made sure the french editor would understand quite clearly our message.

If Brandon can have a word on this, he should ask for a revision of that contract. Or at least, Harriet should be able to jump on their back as well. I promoted the reading in the original language, offering my help, but it is hard for a lot of them. If any of them ( Brandon, Harriet or whoever on this side) are interested, I am willing to offer all the help I can and promise that the forum will also.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: SleChY on April 17, 2008, 03:19:24 PM
Well... Just to point out that Brandon has been translated; the only version of Elantris I found in one of the bookshops over here was Elantris in Dutch(Netherlands/Belgium not German). I normally allways read the English versions but since I found out he was finishing WoT I wanted to start reading it.

It was a nice read and I now just finished reading Mistborn: The final empire and am looking to get my hands on the The Well of Ascension asap :P.

Greets, Belgian fan :P; when will you do a roadtrip over here?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Jabberman on May 24, 2008, 07:45:34 AM
hey guys new here :) Just sayin hi! BIG FAN!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Obi on June 20, 2008, 09:23:18 PM
I didn't know what to think when I found out some random guy I'd never heard  of was writing AMoL, so I forgot about it.  Yes, I forgot who was doing it and never bothered to find out again.  Months later, I found Brandon Sanderson's website by accident, searching for some random bit of WoT info.  Then I finally decided I should check this guy out, see if there is hope for Wot yet.

I read his responses to each book from his WoT read through, continued on to his other blog posts, and somehow became a fan.  I downloaded Warbreaker.   I also made three separate trips to Hastings to buy Elantris, and both books of Mistborn (they were hard to find!).  I've even listened to all of the Writing Excuses podcasts.  I guess this means I'm sold. ;D 

The only problem here is that I've been getting to sleep later and later because I just can't stop reading, and now I've run out of Mistborn.  Oh well, at least Elend didn't die.  :)

Anyway, I'm excited Brandon (can I call him by his first name? o.O; ) is finishing Wot.  I know we'd all rather RJ was still around to do it himself, but I think we have a pretty good second.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Lazarus404 on July 02, 2008, 07:02:00 PM
I think Mr Jordan was running out of steam. He was ill, after all. I think the series was a pressure to him. Sure, if he was well, and alive of course, then no one could do better, but even if Mr Jordan was alive, now, it wouldn't be fair to have that sort of pressure placed upon him. Personally, I think Brandon will do a fantastic job!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Miyabi on July 03, 2008, 10:27:16 PM
I was never a fan of the series,
but I know a good portion of people are.

SO,
I think this will be an amazing break for Brandon,
and bring him a lot of new readers.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Reaves on July 06, 2008, 02:49:52 AM
lol oh yes his reader list will explode. Even die-hard Wheel fans will become Sanderson fans  ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: TheRedSon on July 06, 2008, 06:54:48 PM
lol oh yes his reader list will explode. Even die-hard Wheel fans will become Sanderson fans ;D

Prophetic words...

I've been ignoring tWoT since I heard about RJ's passing.  I finally let myself go back to Dragonmount last week and since then I have purchased Elantris and both Mistborn novels.  Finished them all in less than a week, which is pretty darn fast for me (it helps that my wife has been out of town the whole time).  I have to say I am impressed.  I liked all three books.  The Final Empire was truely outstanding.

I can't imagine Harriet finding anyone better to finish this series.  Maybe George R.R. Martin would be as good, but I doubt it, and he'd just kill off half the cast out of habit anyway  ;D.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: JCHancey on July 11, 2008, 01:02:59 AM
I am and always will be a diehard WoT fan. When RJ died I was extremely sad at the passing of a great man  :'(. I stayed away from all the fansites for as long as I could, when I went back I found out about Brandon finishing them. I was skeptic at first, but then I stole my friends copy of Mistborn and read it 3 times in one week. Of all the authors I've read I can think of no one who can do a better job than Brandon. I am so very happy that he is the one finishing them, Only RJ himself could do better.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: GreenMonsta on July 18, 2008, 06:00:54 PM
lol oh yes his reader list will explode. Even die-hard Wheel fans will become Sanderson fans  ;D

This is very true. i personaly dont consider myself a die hard WOT fan. ive read the books once and dont get me wrong i loved every one, but only reading them once i often have a hard time remembering facts. the thing is the only reason i am a member of this forum is because of Brandon Sandersons announcment of being the writer of AMoL. i read MB1 and MB2 shortly after and now im reading Elantris. I have to say i love his stuff and even though initially i was (and dont get me wrong still am) very upset about RJ's passing, at least now i feel confident in the ability of the new author in carrying the torch for such a great man.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Serenla on September 24, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
Brandon's attendance at Dragon*con this year and his introduction to WoT fans there is going to explode his readership.  If I understand correctly, he also attended one or two other *cons this year and talked about WoT as well as his own writings.

Those of us at Dragon*con were completely bowled over by him.  He was approachable, willing to talk about anything, and seems to be almost as big a WoT geek as some of us are!!  He actually came down and played Are You a Darkfriend in the programming track room too!  (My friends, "Team Awesome" had great fun killing him off!)  He's truly a first class act.  ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wielder on September 27, 2008, 05:05:09 PM
Brandon's attendance at Dragon*con this year and his introduction to WoT fans there is going to explode his readership.  If I understand correctly, he also attended one or two other *cons this year and talked about WoT as well as his own writings.

Those of us at Dragon*con were completely bowled over by him.  He was approachable, willing to talk about anything, and seems to be almost as big a WoT geek as some of us are!!  He actually came down and played Are You a Darkfriend in the programming track room too!  (My friends, "Team Awesome" had great fun killing him off!)  He's truly a first class act.  ;D

I would have loved to be there haha.  I myself started reading Mistborn due to the fact that he was chosen to write AMoL (as were many of you, it seems).  It took me a while, mostly because I started to read WoT again after I heard the news of RJ, but, I am now fully confident that Brandon will do a remarkable job with AMoL.  After I finish the Mistborn series, I am going to start reading WoT once again in preparation for the end of the saga!

Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wolfstar on October 22, 2008, 08:01:19 PM
This may be my first post on the TWG, but I've been following the WoT news fairly closely and have found myself listening to some of the early Writing Excuses podcasts (I feel behind over the summer, and when/if life calms down for me, I will jump back onboard, haha).  Even though I have yet to read any of Mr. Sanderson's published works, I've found that through his solid advice in the podcasts and his sound reasoning in his articles that I believe he can finish AMoL in a very respectful and well-written way.

And no matter what I think of it, I promise I will pick up his other works after reading AMoL.  I'm just bogged down in some other readings at the moment, and NaNoWriMo is on the way (gasp, time flies!).

-Joshua
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 29, 2008, 04:41:18 AM
to those of you WoT fans who have not yet picked up any of Brandon's books...   I became interested in his writing solely because of his finishing off the Wheel of Time. So, one day in Borders bookstore, I saw Mistborn on sale for only $5 - so I picked it up...   I am totally hooked. It was a compelling read, and then I picked up teh 2nd book immediately afterwards, and am anxiously awaiting my copy of Mistborn 3... in the mean time, I read Elantris. It did start of slow, but finished beautifully. Got my wife and kids interested in Alcatraz too. Amazing. I would have completely passed him by if not for WoT but I would say, this guy could be the next Raymond Fiest (possibly even the next Robert Jordan). at the very least, his writing are on par with Donaldson with a flash and dash of Piers Anthony and Robert Asprin thrown in for good measure.

botton line, if you loved Wheel of time, pick up Mistborn. you wont be disappointed.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on October 29, 2008, 05:19:56 AM
with a flash and dash of Piers Anthony and Robert Asprin thrown in for good measure.
Ouch! Hope Brandon doesn't read this thread. :)

(He might one day aspire have his flashes and dashes compared to Terry Pratchett, but not those two...)

I like Robert Asprin's books myself, and liked a lot of Piers Anthony...in junior high...but not at all for the same reason I like Brandon's books.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 29, 2008, 02:31:56 PM
with a flash and dash of Piers Anthony and Robert Asprin thrown in for good measure.
Ouch! Hope Brandon doesn't read this thread. :)

(He might one day aspire have his flashes and dashes compared to Terry Pratchett, but not those two...)

I like Robert Asprin's books myself, and liked a lot of Piers Anthony...in junior high...but not at all for the same reason I like Brandon's books.

You must have only read a sampling of either of their works. Both can write high-brow and junior high material. For a good read from Anthony, read his first book: "But What Of Earth?" And for Asprin, check out his full catalogue.

I mention both of them because I see a little bit of their styles in his writing, including some dry sardonic humor. As for Prachett? Well, I never found him appealing, and I tried, I really did. Bored me to tears.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on October 29, 2008, 06:37:58 PM
For Pratchett, check out his full catalogue. :) (The first two Discworld books were quite boring; I found later ones fantastic though.)

I read the pre-hiatus Myth books, pre-hiatus Phule books, and the Cold Cash War. I know Asprin has a lot of other material.

Of Anthony, I read a ton of Xanth books, the Apprentice Adept books, the first two Mode books, all the Bio of a Space Tyrant books, and Mercycle. I've had no desire to read an Anthony book for the last dozen years or more.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 29, 2008, 09:51:48 PM
I never read the Discworld books..  I dont remember what I read really, but he didn't land on my "authors to read" list at all from what I have read.

I read many of the Myth books as well, quite juvenile, but fun. As for the Phule's War set, I found them to be highly intelligent reads, if you paid attention.

Piers Anthony's high-brow stuff can be quite compelling, and like Brandon's books, can start off slow and one must have patience to get through the first few chapters. I felt that "But What of Earth?" his first book, reads alot like Elantris in style and pacing.

However, upon reflection, i think the Mistborn series can be compared to Fiest's Magician series in term of writing style pacing and payoff. (Granted, I have not yet read Hero of Ages). I would even go as far to say that "A Darkness at Sethanon" left me with the same feelings as "Well of Ascension" while I was reading and when I finished. Both left me agape in some areas and both had me afraid for the charachters and sympathetic of the villians (and pawns of villians).
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on October 29, 2008, 10:32:05 PM
I read an early non-Discworld Pratchett book, but honestly, Discworld is what any Pratchett fan I've heard of is thinking of when they talk about Pratchett books. So if you've not read any of them, you haven't really tried.

Brandon recommends The Truth as a good introductory book to Discworld. It's basically a standalone, as many Discworld books are. (Pratchett just came out with his first non-Discoworld book in a while, Nation, but I haven't gotten the chance to read it yet.)

Beyond But What of Earth?, what highbrow Anthony books do you recommend?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Pink Bunkadoo on October 30, 2008, 02:47:54 AM
Brandon recommends The Truth as a good introductory book to Discworld.

We like Small Gods (or Guards! Guards!, if only just for the door scene).
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 30, 2008, 03:17:39 PM
Beyond But What of Earth?, what highbrow Anthony books do you recommend?

Aprentice Adept was a good series, but you have already read that one, beyond that, I honestly have not read one of his novels in about 10-12 years or so. Of Man and Manta may be another you may want to check out.

For Discworld, well, I guess I will pick one up and give it a shot. The library is less than 1000 feet from my house, so it shouldn't be too difficult. :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Loud_G on October 30, 2008, 03:26:06 PM
You can't CHOOSE which discworld books to read. You'd miss out on so much! I've read them all (except the most recent) and loved each one. It took 2 libraries and buying 3 or 4 books for me to be able to finish them all though. :D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Nessa on October 30, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
Aprentice Adept was a good series, but you have already read that one, beyond that, I honestly have not read one of his novels in about 10-12 years or so. Of Man and Manta may be another you may want to check out.

The Incarnations of Immortality series is better than the Apprentice Adept, in my opinion. I've re-read some of them more recently and I've come to realize how spare Anthony's writing is, and rather heavy-handed. But some of his ideas and themes are interesting enough.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 30, 2008, 06:17:14 PM
I do not believe I ever read the Immortality series. He has so many books, I would have to be very dedicated to read them all....

Anyway, I was pondering the WoT series in relation to Mistborn and Elantris and came to a revelation....


Most hero-fantasy novels, or even just hero-fiction novel in general follow a formulaic bent. For example, in many books and movies, there is the simple farm boy, or McDonald's worker or whatever who gets swept up and saves the day/becomes king etc. There are variations to this but pretty much this is how it goes.

The Wheel of Time follows that formula, initially. and branches out with similar things happening to princesses, etc.

Brandon twists that formula a little bit in Elantris and Mistborn. In Elantris, the heroes are the princess pawn and the heir to the throne who is reviled by his father. Mistborn has a similar theme, with one of the main heroes being the heir to the most powerful nobel being reviled by his father.

But there are striking similarities between WoT and Mistborn in terms of progression. In both series, the beginning hero/heroine starts out with a small group, and the cast of charachters gradually expands. But what is rather unique is that both series do not just expand the cast, they make all of the main and sub-main charachters dynamic. There is little of a charachter doing something out of characnter to progress a plot point (as has been the case on the TV series "Heroes" this season). Many books and authors introduce a great many charachters, but rarely do they make them dynamic, and rarely are we treated to an in depth look at them.

And I believe, ultimately, that is one of the reasons Brandon was annointed to finalize this series. His writing is obviously heavily influenced by the works of Robert Jordan, add to that his obviously great imagination (seriously, who ever would have thought about swallowing shaved metal as a magic system?) and his tenacious attention to detail. And Brandon could very well be "the next Robert Jordan".
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: GreenMonsta on October 30, 2008, 11:01:52 PM
I dont mean to be a buzz kill but wouldnt this fit better in the "What are you reading" thread?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 30, 2008, 11:15:29 PM
I dont mean to be a buzz kill but wouldnt this fit better in the "What are you reading" thread?

No, as were discussing, originally, Brandon's possible styles and influences.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Nessa on October 31, 2008, 02:18:30 AM
I dont mean to be a buzz kill but wouldnt this fit better in the "What are you reading" thread?

Well, ya. But even though thread hyjacking is frowned upon it isn't illegal :D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: GreenMonsta on October 31, 2008, 02:24:02 AM
I know it isn't I am often the culprit of said hijacking. I didnt mean to sound like a jerk either I just figure if someone clicked on this thread and saw the conversation that was being held they might get confused. I honestly dont care, enjoy your jacking because I will still read it.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Nessa on October 31, 2008, 04:38:44 AM
I was teasin' ;) As an admin I should know better than to contribute to said hyjacking. And I did, I admit it.

Your reminder was timely.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on October 31, 2008, 12:12:19 PM
And all this after I tried to steer the conversation back towards the original topic ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: AvalonDreamer on November 02, 2008, 06:50:56 AM
DUDE! I met Brandon today at a signing, and I have to say, he's pretty awesome. He looks a bit worn down, but I imagine that's just the tour taking it's toll on him.

Up until now, I've had a small bit of me that's been a little anxious about anybody but RJ finishing the book, even despite having read all of Sanderson's works and loving them. Today I shook hands with the Heir of the Creator, and I must say, that anxiety has evaporated like a mist in the morning sun.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: spejoku on November 05, 2008, 03:43:43 AM
You know, I never even started reading WoT until after I heard that Brandon was doing the last one.  Now I'm on #4 and loving them.  Although I wish the ones I got had cooler covers.  Perhaps the ying-yang aes sedai symbol and a solid background. 

Anyhow, I really like it that we never realize the full potential of the magic, or even exactly how it works, until we piece the info together. 

Also, Nynaeve can make your head explode  ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Casco on November 08, 2008, 02:48:58 PM
Well, the covers of the books leaves alot to wish for. Looks like children books imo.
The only one with a good cover is the prologue book, the beginning.

The covers alone did make me not reading WOT for a long time :( I allways though they where as bad as the covers...what a mistake!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wolfstar on November 13, 2008, 04:02:50 AM
Hah, wow, I've always thought that the covers were pretty cool, if not overly detailed and somewhat distracting.  Too each his own, I suppose.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: GreenMonsta on November 13, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
I agree with you. I thought the covers were cool also. I mean I didnt ever relate the characters to thier obvious representations on the covers but I didnt really have to. They displaey enough of the story to be nice to look at and not enough to be upset about. If you have any idea what I mean.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Chaos on November 18, 2008, 05:25:37 AM
Well, now that I've purchased all eleven of the WoT books and I'm looking at their covers, I'm not a huge fan of them. They just don't seem to carry much style, instead trying to look realistic (I guess?). They seem dull and boring, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: DrakeSparda on November 18, 2008, 06:13:40 PM
My main thing against the covers is that is hard to tell who is who on them, and changing appearances.  Mostly since the characters on the covers don't really wear what they are depicted wearing in the covers.  Like EoTW, Lan is wearing armor, instead of his Warder cloak.  Also, on TGH, I think the dwarf looking thing is supposed to Loial, looks like he's 4 feet tall, when infact is huge.  I think Rand, Perrin and Mat change appearances on the covers more then they switch clothes in all the books combined.

However, I do like the covers.  The provide some insight into what happens in the book.  However, if you are not familiar with the book's story, you'd have no idea what that is, with maybe the exception of Dragon Reborn, with the Callandor scene.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wielder on November 21, 2008, 11:41:05 PM
My main thing against the covers is that is hard to tell who is who on them, and changing appearances.  Mostly since the characters on the covers don't really wear what they are depicted wearing in the covers.  Like EoTW, Lan is wearing armor, instead of his Warder cloak.  Also, on TGH, I think the dwarf looking thing is supposed to Loial, looks like he's 4 feet tall, when infact is huge.  I think Rand, Perrin and Mat change appearances on the covers more then they switch clothes in all the books combined.

However, I do like the covers.  The provide some insight into what happens in the book.  However, if you are not familiar with the book's story, you'd have no idea what that is, with maybe the exception of Dragon Reborn, with the Callandor scene.

Yeah, I think one of my favorites is the cover of Dragon Reborn--just because it portrays the characters so well.  I don't know what the Shadow Rising's cover is.  That's really the only one I just don't understand.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: DrakeSparda on November 24, 2008, 04:36:31 PM
My main thing against the covers is that is hard to tell who is who on them, and changing appearances.  Mostly since the characters on the covers don't really wear what they are depicted wearing in the covers.  Like EoTW, Lan is wearing armor, instead of his Warder cloak.  Also, on TGH, I think the dwarf looking thing is supposed to Loial, looks like he's 4 feet tall, when infact is huge.  I think Rand, Perrin and Mat change appearances on the covers more then they switch clothes in all the books combined.

However, I do like the covers.  The provide some insight into what happens in the book.  However, if you are not familiar with the book's story, you'd have no idea what that is, with maybe the exception of Dragon Reborn, with the Callandor scene.

Yeah, I think one of my favorites is the cover of Dragon Reborn--just because it portrays the characters so well.  I don't know what the Shadow Rising's cover is.  That's really the only one I just don't understand.


I believe tFoH is supposed to depict Rhuidean, and the trip through it.  ie, Rand seeing his visions and becomes The Chief of Chiefs, Egwene starting to become a Wise One, and Mat getting his signature Weapon, and Scar.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Comfortable Madness on November 24, 2008, 06:03:54 PM
I always thought that the artwork on the WoT books were...well....awful. Imo the pictures never matched the character descriptions. Rand and Perrin were the ones to stand out the most. Perrin is described as broad shouldered, muscular, and generally a large man but he looks nothing like that on the covers and Rand just looks horrendous...Sorry to tear down the covers but I have always been dissapointed by the covers....Anyways who really cares considering the quality of writing inside those covers. ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Vatdoro on November 26, 2008, 11:25:41 PM
I just read Brandon's latest blog post about his progress on AMoL. Reading that post has gotten me excited all over again to finally read the ending of WoT. I think it's awesome that Brandon keeps us all so well informed about the status of his many different projects. What other author does that? No one. I mean, if you're waiting for the next Song of Ice & Fire book (like I am) you probably know that GRRM hasn't updated the status of A Dance with Dragons for almost a year!

I have REALLY enjoyed Elantris and the Mistborn trilogy. I've already said how excited I am to finally have WoT finished, but I might be even MORE excited (if that's possible) that Brandon is getting the practice and experience of writing a huge novel in the WoT universe. Brandon is going to take the considerable talent he already has, add to that the lessons he'll learn from writing in such a complex and descriptive world as WoT, and I just get giddy thinking about the kinds of books we might get from him in a few years.

 :D - Me being giddy!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Roberts on December 08, 2008, 02:54:24 AM
(I like the covers, except for the fact that they keep changing the characters' appearances. Book 1 and 5 are the best, in my opinion.)

Would elevators and electricity work in the World of Dreams?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Reaves on December 09, 2008, 11:47:52 PM

Would elevators and electricity work in the World of Dreams?

I was under the impression you could just think something up and it would work a certain way, without really needing a rationale for why it works.

ex: "I want to stand on this circular platform and it will hover in the air." No need for electricity, pulleys, shafts etc.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Dount Cooku on December 10, 2008, 06:07:24 PM
Brandon posted a blog entry detailing his latest progress with AMoL.  Check it out at http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/736/Reader-Mail--Annotation.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Roberts on December 17, 2008, 08:33:25 AM

Would elevators and electricity work in the World of Dreams?

I was under the impression you could just think something up and it would work a certain way, without really needing a rationale for why it works.

ex: "I want to stand on this circular platform and it will hover in the air." No need for electricity, pulleys, shafts etc.

Well it would be even easier to fly or teleport, but using an elevator might be cool. I was reading the part in book four or five where they are searching through Elaida's papers in the World of Dreams and the papers keep disappearing because their reflection in the dream world is weak...I wonder what would happen to a computer, if you tried to turn it on or access the files or...go on the internet. There's no electricity in The Wheel of Time...I wonder if it was in Robert Jordan's notes about how electricity works in the World of Dreams.

Also, seeing the percentage bar move so fast is really cool. 400,000 words x 1% = 4,000 words, which is about 5 single spaced pages in Microsoft Word. I bet if Mr. Sanderson pulled an all-nighter he could finish the first draft before his birthday.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Vatdoro on December 17, 2008, 08:00:47 PM
And Brandon has another great update on his blog.

http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/739/Big-Wheel-of-Time-Interview-Retrospective (http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/739/Big-Wheel-of-Time-Interview-Retrospective)

I haven't even finished reading it yet. Brandon's a STUD!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on December 31, 2008, 06:06:06 AM
Mr. Sanderson is your house filled with swords and weapons and armor and stuff like that like Mr. Rigney's was? Just wondering….
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on December 31, 2008, 06:32:20 AM
Mr. Sanderson is your house filled with swords and weapons and armor and stuff like that like Mr. Rigney's was? Just wondering….
And one more question…how do you advance in levels on this website?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Publius on December 31, 2008, 01:42:07 PM
I hope they split the book if necessary, hell, split it three time if it's needed.   Last thing I want to read is a 15 pound book with itty bitty font.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: GreenMonsta on December 31, 2008, 04:42:35 PM
To Shaggy: To advance in levels you have to post. If you look at your profile you will see how many posts you need to post before you level up. Also you can look under other posters names next to their posts and see how many they need to post to level.

To Publius: I would not agree whole heartedly. I mean if they decide to split the book then fine. I mean prolonging a series like this that I enjoy so much really just makes it longer and for me I never want series that I like to end. The thing about it is, I wouldn't mind it being in one volume. Reading large books with small print isn't that bad especially when you love a series. I know the books can be unwieldy (i.e. Stone of Tears book two of Sword of Truth) but I wouldn't be upset about it. Plus reading large books with small print makes me feel smart and others think your smart so its a win win. Mainly I don't care too much either way. As long as the series gets finished and the book/books are coming out at some point then I am happy.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on December 31, 2008, 06:19:09 PM
Oh, yeah I see it now. Thanks!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on December 31, 2008, 09:25:17 PM
I went to Brandon's house a couple weeks ago and it wasn't filled with weapons. His house looked decidedly normal on the inside. In fact, his living room only had one small shelf of books (all the foreign editions of Brandon's books, like the Russian Elantris, which looked pretty cool). Pemberley probably makes him keep most of his books upstairs, but I didn't see up there.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Razor on January 02, 2009, 06:28:37 AM
IIRC when Brandon visited Harriet, she let him visit Jordan's study and pick out one of the swords to keep.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 03, 2009, 12:46:57 AM
Really?!? That's pretty sweet….I wanted to buy some of RJ's stuff that they were selling on eBay but my parent's don't trust me with sharp objects
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: GreenMonsta on January 03, 2009, 12:52:28 AM
Maybe one day young padawon. I'm kidding, I would have loved to have bought some thing that belonged to him but I was unaware of the auctions at the time.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 03, 2009, 12:59:21 AM
Me, too. When I heard about them and went to the site everything was sold except for a couple of things but they were going for hundreds of dollars and that's a little out of my price range.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: deathgate on January 14, 2009, 01:57:02 AM
  I mean if they decide to split the book then fine.

I am actually hoping they make two books out of AMOL. I have had to buy a second copy of several WOT books because TOR does such  a lousy job with binding. A book double the size of anything already out would not hold up unless they re-invent their process.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 14, 2009, 10:59:07 PM
I believe that was one of the options RJ had talked about….
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: deathgate on January 16, 2009, 03:56:57 AM
I believe that was one of the options RJ had talked about….

Yes, he did. However, I believe Brandon has mentioned he doesn't have the clout RJ had and doubts he can force them to come up with a new method.

Also, kudos to BS for the naming of characters in AMOL oportunity (in his blog). If I participate I would have to do the $20 option but the chance would be better than the lottery and much more prestigious.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 16, 2009, 05:11:21 PM
Deathgate, what exactly are you talking about? I'm rather clueless but also intrigued…. :P
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Dount Cooku on January 17, 2009, 12:49:10 AM
Deathgate, what exactly are you talking about? I'm rather clueless but also intrigued…. :P

Check out this link for the details:

http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/750/Do-You-Want-to-Appear-in-A-Memory-of-Light
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 17, 2009, 04:42:15 AM
Oh, I see. Thank you.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: ryanjm on January 19, 2009, 04:09:29 AM
Wow, I just finished the 1st Mistborn book (which was amazingly good) and now I'm pleasantly surprised to see he's working on the WoT book. I think Brandon was the perfect choice because the last few WoT books had grown so unwieldy and slow that they were almost unreadable, and Brandon's Mistborn book was expertly paced.  Hopefully he can salvage the WoT series and give it a good finale.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Razor on January 19, 2009, 06:53:35 AM
Ryan, did you read the last WOT book?  Sounds like you must have gotten bogged down a book or 2 previously.  I thought Book 11 was great.  To each his own I guess.  WOT is an amazingly complex, gargantuan series and what sets it apart form other series to me are the many emotionally charged incredibly written scenes that  are just as powerful and moving to me when I read them for the 10th time as the first (The golden crane flies for Tarmon Gaidon, Gallad  challenging the leader of the Whitecloaks and bringing the Whitecloaks back to the light,   Mat blowing the horn of Valere, Rand fighting his first 2 forsaken in TEOTW and realizing what it means, Rand entering Ruidean, the redemption and death of the darkfriend Shienaran in the second book, Ran d saving his father and draging him through the woods in the beginning, etc...)  WOT is filled with these great scenes because the characterization is so detailed.  Granted we have to wade through the detailed descriptions of lots of dresses and way too many scenes of Faile to get to these great scenes, however, Brandon has not yet written a book to rival the WOT is scope or power.  We will see how Brandon does.  My guess is he will do well, because he is a very good writer, appears to be a very hard worker and is a fan of the series.  He will also be helped because he has lots of notes from RJ and Harriet as editor so the transition has the potential to be relatively seamless.  But to suggest that because Brandon wrote a shorter less in depth and hence fast pace series (relative to WOT)  means Brandon will, therefore, save WOT is disrespectful to RJ and a relatively huge leap.  Brandon has never attempted to write a book like Memory of light.  He has stated as such many times in his blog.  As a big fan of WOT, RJ and now BS as well, I wish him well and believe he will do a great job.  However, I disagree with you that naiming BS to finish WOT will save the series from the ruination that RJ left it in, LOL.  RJ IMWO was doing just fine and would have written an incredible ending if he had lived.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: IngtarWhoStoleChristmas on January 19, 2009, 04:37:45 PM
Ryan,

I have to agree with Razor. I understand the feeling of it seeming a bit unwieldy but RJ was creating an ENORMOUS world with many side characters that may or may not be pivotal in the last battle. I think BS will do good as he is both a fantastic writer AND a fan of the series. With the help from RJ's notes and Harriet's vast knowledge and editing abilities it should come as close to what RJ would have done as it can. Even BS has said on MANY occasions that the only one who could do it completely right is RJ.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: ryanjm on January 19, 2009, 05:18:57 PM
I haven't read any WoT books for a while, so my memory on them is rather foggy.  I cannot make any detailed arguments except from my vague memory of the entire series. Books 1-2 were good, 3-7 considerably better, and then somewhere around 8,9,10, I don't remember which, they started to get soooo slooooow and incredibly boring.  If you want a more detailed explanation, I'd check out the amazon.com reviews and you can see how many people think the same thing. Basically every book gets 4 star averages, and then around 8 they drop to 3 star (and 10 has 1.5 star which is incredibly low for amazon).  I would say the reviews are almost exactly in line with my thoughts as well.  Number 11 has a 3 star average as well. 

I do not mean to disrespect Jordan, only his more recent work.  I liked the series overall and just wish that it had come to a conclusion around 9-10 by just cutting some threads and picking up the pace.  That's why I think Sanderson can do this.  It's not that I think Sanderson has more experience than Jordan in writing hugely detailed worlds, it's that he's capable of paring his novels down in order to move the story forward.  Again, I can't really make a more detailed argument of what Jordan did in his last few books that slowed them down so much, but it was there, and the majority of those who read the series noticed it as a serious problem.  Hopefully it's corrected by Sanderson, and we can all get some closure to the series and return it to its former glory.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: melbatoast on January 19, 2009, 06:46:25 PM
The last few books are slower in the sense that there isn't as much action, but there is still a LOT of political stuff going on which will definitely be important in the last book. RJ has created an amazingly realistic world with many characters to deal with, and like real life, there isn't always something exciting going on every second. BS is not going to "correct" anything; he's just going to finish off the series the way RJ planned to. I'm sure the ending that RJ planned is going to be AWESOME.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 19, 2009, 09:20:15 PM
Ryanjim, I think your criticisms are rather unfounded. If the 'threads' in the later books that bored you were unimportant, RJ wouldn't have included them. His writing style is rather deep–his stories have much description and politicking. I, too, found one of the sections a little bit slower than usual (Perrin's, when Faile was captured), but that doesn't mean I think RJ should have cut them out. They are beautifully written and very moving, which makes them extremely important to the story. I understand what you are saying–however, I think that saying RJ should have cut out those scenes is rather unfair.

One more thing–I also see what you mean about Mr. Sanderson–he is very good at keeping his stories moving. However, in one of his  posts on various websites, he has mentioned how in the editing stage, he goes back and adds as much description to the story as he can, to keep it more how RJ would have written it.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: CSmythe on January 19, 2009, 10:29:30 PM
I think the problem with Ryanjm's post is the line return the series to its former glory. I don' t think that the Wheel of Time was ever less than glorious. Sure some of the books slowed down for a while, especially once all the POV characters were scattered all over Creation. Each of those characters has a part to play in the story and so they all deserved some POV time. If you want just as a fun excercise you should try reading the series but only the POVs of your favourite character. Really near the end they read more like 5 complete novels braided together.

As a side not it takes very little time to do it that way for me since my favourite isn't even in one or two books.

I just finished listening to EUOL's interview over on Dragonmount and no matter what else I am sure that he will do a great job with the series just because he loves it. He will give it the respect he deserves, I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: ryanjm on January 20, 2009, 12:18:57 AM
That's cool that you guys enjoyed all of them. I'm not hating on anyone that enjoyed the books, I just personally didn't like some of the last few, and like I said, if you take a look at amazon's customer reviews for each of the books, the majority kindof agrees with me. But that doesn't mean no one enjoyed them, just that many were disappointed, and that compared to the first 6-7, they weren't as widely liked.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Razor on January 20, 2009, 11:22:00 PM
Much of the disappointment was in how long we all waited for a new book and then so little happened.  When the books are read back to back, they are much better.  for instance, book 10, the biggest disappointment when it came out and we read it in 3 days and had to wait another 2 yrs for book 11, is quite good when read straight through from 9-11.  The reviews on Amazon tend to take a herd mentality and feeding frenzy approach, so I don't give thm much credence.  If they were actually limited to people that read the books, they would be more believable.  we all got bogged down with Faile, However, I suspect the interaction between Perrin and the Seanchan may have a role to play, and it would not have been believable to have faile captured and Perrin allign with the Seanchan the next day.  I think the sublplots will probably make more sense when they are read in context with where the story had to go to get the ending right.  Regardless how we see the series, one thing we can agree on is that the ending, assuming it is as good as RJ hinted, should be great.  I am really looking forward to how BS brings it together.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Razor on January 20, 2009, 11:24:35 PM
Oh, and Ryan, if iw was going to be so easy for BS to wrap it up and save the series, he would have done it in his 400,000 work estimate.  Why does that estimate now stand at 600-700,000 words and climbing with 2 books now in the offing instead of one.  Guess there is a lot there to fit together.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Reaves on January 21, 2009, 04:12:30 AM
There is absolutely a lot to fit together. RJ has created an amazing world. However, I agree with ryanjim; if you compare the 7 books with the last 4 or so, the first seven are better. In fact, in your first post you support the fact that the pacing of the books really slowed to a crawl. You had to read three books (9-11) to get as much plot advancement as you would normally get in one. That doesn't mean they weren't amazing, just that they weren't as great as the first few.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 21, 2009, 04:14:21 AM
Compared to other books, though, 'not as good as the previous RJ books' is still pretty damn good. (Pardon my language.)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: darxbane on January 22, 2009, 06:34:13 PM
Book 10 was a filler book.  I personally liked all 11 books, but then again I am one of those people who enjoys just reading about that world.  RJ did a fantastic job showing how people defend their prejudices and preconceptions, as well as their hubris.  Even the main characters are not free from this scrutiny.  The prophecies of the Dragon state that he will break all bonds and traditions, yet Elayne refuses to accept the throne from him.  Rand is proof that the Last Battle is coming and soon, yet the Aes Sedai, who of all people should know better, are too set in their ways to place the preparation over their traditions and foolish arrogance.  All of this allows us to more easily understand why the Forsaken can so easily manipulate situations and cause chaos. 

As for your question, Shaggy, pardon my french is an old insult, insinuating that the French language itself is vulgar, therefore all vulgar words can be considered French. 
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: CUBAREY on January 24, 2009, 11:30:43 AM
As for your question, Shaggy, pardon my french is an old insult, insinuating that the French language itself is vulgar, therefore all vulgar words can be considered French. 

A further explaination:
"Vulgate" (a language that is derivative of Latin )  developed in Gaul (present day France) and is a mixture of latin with Germanic influences . It was the language spoken by the commen people in much of the western part of theRoman Empire by 350A.D. The educated  saw Vulgate as a corruption of Latin developed by those they considered at least half-barbarian. Thus the derivation of the word "vulger" ( uncouth  or "lowbrow") and the meaning of the offending phrase.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on January 24, 2009, 09:59:54 PM
Oh, I see…so I'm going to go edit that post. Thanks for telling me; I didn't mean to insult anybody.  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wolfstar on February 01, 2009, 08:19:24 PM
I just started reading Mistborn and shot through part 1 in one night (no, not that impressive to most, but if you knew my schedule, you'd find that a feat).  I've believed Mr. Sanderson had the right stuff since listening in on some of the Writing Excuses podcasts, but actually seeing the work firsthand almost leaves me awed.

AMoL is going to be amazing, no matter how many pieces they cut it into.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 02, 2009, 10:54:06 PM
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AMoL is going to be amazing, no matter how many pieces they cut it into.
Opinion. I hope I will be able to agree when it comes out, but I'm keeping low expectations so that hopefully, I will not be disappointed; I will be amazed.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: deathgate on February 05, 2009, 03:59:27 AM
Book 10 was a filler book. 

It was odd in that the first time it seemed to be so but after reading Book 11 and then re-reading the series Book 10 has a lot of subtle stuff that leads into the explosions of 11 (Book 12 (and 13?) should send the series into the stratosphere. I hope it ends with a few wicked twists like Hero of Ages and shows all of us speculators that we don't know anything.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 05, 2009, 10:58:43 PM
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I hope it ends … shows all of us speculators that we don't know anything.
I think RJ has made that pretty clear already.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on February 07, 2009, 04:16:59 AM
Harriets line edits are up to 90%! Looks like the first half will be ready for editting soon, and off to the publisher probably, with a mid-summer to early fall release! I cant wait! and then part 2 shouoldnt be far behind :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 07, 2009, 04:19:08 AM
Ummm how do you know this stuff??  ??? :o ???
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: melbatoast on February 07, 2009, 04:47:24 AM
Harriets line edits are up to 90%! Looks like the first half will be ready for editting soon, and off to the publisher probably, with a mid-summer to early fall release! I cant wait! and then part 2 shouoldnt be far behind :)

Yay!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on February 07, 2009, 05:29:02 AM
Ummm how do you know this stuff??  ??? :o ???
Brandon's website has a progress bar in the upper left. However, the line edits there are only for the first 100,000 words of the book, and the first half is at least 400,000 words. The release will definitely not be mid-summer. October/November is still the earliest possible date we'll see it.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 07, 2009, 07:40:54 PM
2009??
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: happyman on February 07, 2009, 11:31:14 PM
2009??

A 2008 release date would be tricky at this point.

Or were you thinking 2010?  Man, that's an unfortunate thought.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on February 08, 2009, 01:19:43 AM
Ummm how do you know this stuff??  ??? :o ???

I dont "know it" - but Brandon has given us alot of info. If timeframes hold water, we could see a book around late July. It would be a stretch, but could be done. More than likely, October though... cross your fingers.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wolfstar on February 09, 2009, 05:42:29 PM
Ummm how do you know this stuff??  ??? :o ???

I dont "know it" - but Brandon has given us alot of info. If timeframes hold water, we could see a book around late July. It would be a stretch, but could be done. More than likely, October though... cross your fingers.

Aye, I'm thinking the original estimate of this fall as the earliest for anything is probably going to hold true.  And that's only if they do decide to split the book.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 09, 2009, 10:44:06 PM
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Quote from: Shaggy on February 07, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
2009??

A 2008 release date would be tricky at this point.

Or were you thinking 2010?  Man, that's an unfortunate thought.
I was thinking of 2010.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: happyman on February 09, 2009, 10:45:05 PM
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Quote from: Shaggy on February 07, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
2009??

A 2008 release date would be tricky at this point.

Or were you thinking 2010?  Man, that's an unfortunate thought.
I was thinking of 2010.

Sarcasm, Shaggy.  Sarcasm.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 09, 2009, 10:47:50 PM
Ummm…sarcasm is supposed to be short and quick to the point. Which that post wasn't. So that threw me off. AND, sarcasm is very  hard to deliver and then be understood over the Internet–I believe someone has already mentioned this in one of the various TWG threads. Tone of voice and body language are (obviously) pointless when posting, and so two of the fundamental foundations for a well-placed sarcastic statement are already gone.…
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on February 10, 2009, 12:58:31 AM
sar⋅casm   /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ [sahr-kaz-uhm]

–noun 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony

That is the most widely used definition. His remark was sarcastic to a point, but more irony.

As far as I know, there is no time limit for sarcasm, not length limit.

See Scrubs: Dr. Cox often uses sarcasm, and it is never "short" or "quick to the point"

also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

That Wiki is a pretty spot on explanation of sarcasm.

What I could not find though, on google or Yahoo or a Wiki, was "12 year old lecturing on proper speech or wit" apparently, it has never been successfully done before.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 10, 2009, 03:42:06 AM
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What I could not find though, on google or Yahoo or a Wiki, was "12 year old lecturing on proper speech or wit" apparently, it has never been successfully done before.
Yeah, 'cause there're always stuck-up pricks like you who are too arrogant to see the value in what others are saying.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wolfstar on February 10, 2009, 04:26:46 AM
Ask yourselves if it's really worth getting worked up over this.

Then take a deep breath.  Then resume the real topic.

Just, you know... trying to keep the peace.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on February 10, 2009, 04:49:50 AM
actually, I was just pointing out sarcasm. If he gets worked up about it, then he obviously does not understand it. a pity, he seems so smart otherwise.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Casco on February 10, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
To get on topic again, do anyone know when/if AMOL will be translated to swedish this year (if it will be released this year)?
Lately the translation of fantasy books dont seem to be done at all. I cant find Mistborn in swedish, or the 2 books in the last cronicles of Thomas Covernant.
Ofc i can read/listen to AMOL in english...but i prefer Swedish.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 10, 2009, 10:49:57 PM
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actually, I was just pointing out sarcasm. If he gets worked up about it, then he obviously does not understand it. a pity, he seems so smart otherwise.
Well, whenever you 'just point out' something that involves a mistake of mine, you manage to slip in these little digs that really bother me. So from my point of view, I have every right to get worked up about it.

And for the record, just because I do not make a specific note of something in a post does not mean I don't understand it; I have simply not deigned to write it down.

ON TOPIC: I would think that the Swedish version would be published a bit later than the English one…but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: happyman on February 11, 2009, 06:34:09 PM
Shaggy:

I'm sorry you're getting upset.  I meant my statements to simply be light-hearted fun.  A minor distraction, not hijacking the thread.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on February 11, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
Shaggy:

I'm sorry you're getting upset.  I meant my statements to simply be light-hearted fun.  A minor distraction, not hijacking the thread.

Honestly happy, the younger generation has a tendency to get worked up at the drop of a hat. I have a very difficult time with my boys. And their friends are all the same way. It seems they LOOK for an excuse to get worked up/take offense. Not saying we didnt look for things in our day, but not like this generation does. Just the other day, one of my son's friends was over. All I said was "How are you doing?" and he came off with a nasty glare and sneered "What do you mean by that?"
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: SarahG on February 11, 2009, 08:37:59 PM
And in what context and tone of voice did you ask that question?  If it was like Joey from Friends, I can see why he'd take offense.  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 12, 2009, 03:14:52 AM
 
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Honestly happy, the younger generation has a tendency to get worked up at the drop of a hat.
I think ANY child who is spoken to in a demeaning or otherwise disrespectful way has a RIGHT to get 'worked up'.…
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: mtlhddoc2 on February 12, 2009, 09:00:13 PM
and what about the older generation? Do we not have a right to get worked up when a child is disrespectful and attempts to lecture?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Comfortable Madness on February 12, 2009, 09:54:55 PM
Stumbled onto to this thread after not looking at it for awhile and it seems to have taken a turn for the worse....

mthlhddoc2,

Regardless of age, when a person is right and has a point I think they should feel free to give a "lecture". Age is nothing but a number if you want respect you have to earn it. When you talk down to someone because of their age and don't be shocked when they toss it back in your face...

As for WoT...There is a really neat read-through on TOR's website. Check it out...

http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=13372
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on February 12, 2009, 10:45:42 PM
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and what about the older generation? Do we not have a right to get worked up when a child is disrespectful and attempts to lecture?
I never mentioned ANY generation in particular. I just said 'ANY child.'

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Regardless of age, when a person is right and has a point I think they should feel free to give a "lecture". Age is nothing but a number if you want respect you have to earn it. When you talk down to someone because of their age and don't be shocked when they toss it back in your face...
Thank you, Madness. You capture my feelings perfectly.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Wolfstar on February 13, 2009, 05:23:20 AM
Great find there, CM.  I'll have to read through that more when I've got time.

And that reminds me of a jewel I found about a year ago... if I can find it again...

Ah, well, it looks like it's gone now.  I had found a fan-made audio play of the first prologue, and it was amazing.  However, it's no longer hosted from where I had found it.

Lame.  I'll see if I can find it again somewhere else and share.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: dfchang on February 28, 2009, 07:18:05 AM
I think reading between the lines, there is absolutely no doubt that the first half of Memory of Light will be published first and this  year.

Brandon has gone on record stating that the final completed volume will probably check in at around 700,000 words or so.  That will place it at 175% on the progress bar.

Obviously, it is impossible to publish a 700,000 word book on many levels.  A split is going to be mandatory no matter what.

At this point, the BEST thing to do is to probably continue writing, revising, working, polishing until the WHOLE books is finished and then it can be released either as a 2 volume book or published at 6 month intervals . . . whatever Tor and Harriet decides is best both to honor Jordan's wishes and legacy and also what makes financial sense in what is one of the worst recessions in our lifetimes.

This way, if Brandon or Harriet feels the need to either revise or rewrite earlier parts of aMoL, they can do so easily.

Unfortunately, I'm now sure this will NOT be done.

Right now, Brandon is quite obviously spending ALL his time working on edits for the first 400,000 or so words of aMoL and has in fact confirmed that is what Harriet wants him to do.  All of this work should be done by April.  Why the hurry?  And why the focus now on those edits?  The obvious conclusion is that a decision has been made to get the first half of the book ready to go and release this year.  If the line edits are done and the manuscript sent off to the publisher, we can conceivably see volume one of A Memory of Light in bookshelves by September of 2009.  It can CONCEIVABLY to be done to push manuscript into publication in THREE months but this usually turns out poorly with multiple grammar and spelling errors as well as name switches and errors as well.  This had been done before with Lord of Chaos and a few subsequent Wheel of Time books with poor results.  In fact, the decision was made with the last few to "slow it down" and take the full 6 months for better proofing with noticeably better quality.

From April/May on, Brandon can then work on the last 250,000 to 300,000 words of aMoL and probably have the manuscript ready by December 2009 or January 2010 with publication in summer of 2010.

This makes sense on MULTIPLE levels.  The economy is bad and book publishers have been hit as hard if not harder than any other business in America right now.  Publishing a GARGANTUAN book in two volumes with the necessary slipcases would cost a great deal.  It would also be intimidating and unwieldy.  Despite Jordan's proclamations of Tor needing to invent "new binding" common sense has to somehow prevail here. 

In addition, it makes sense to introduce Robert Jordan and keep him in the limelight and in the hearts and minds of the fans.  You don't want to pull a George RR Martin and make people wait 5 years between books.  The readers are fickle and may move on.

This is the concluding volume of what is the greatest epic fantasy of our generation and one that will not be matched in length and scope for many decades . . . perhaps generations.  A release in 2009 would generate an instant New York Times #1 bestseller which would benefit Tor tremendously.  Momentum could then be built up for Volume 2  which should be another #1.  There would be about 6-8 months between Volumes which is perfect.

Jordan-Con is April 17th to 19th.  Tom Doherty of Tor books will be in attendance and I think this event would be a natural and obvious time to announce the completion of the first half of the manuscript with a publication date.  Would be great either as an opening or closing announcement to really make the Con special.

No concrete evidence and I have NO insider information but I think reading between the lines and applying a little logic and reasoning shows this to be the most likely course of action.

I don't really agree with it because even though I appreciate the reasons for doing it, I think it really takes a lot of creative flexibility away from Harriet and Brandon.  But it could very well be that Tor REALLY needs a #1 this year in today's economy and there could be some other big deals (like movie and T.V. options) that hang in the balance and would undoubtedly be helped by a big splash.  A Memory of Light is literally a once in a lifetime lottery ticket for the publishers and they want to make the most of it.  Also, the story of A Memory of Light could already to so well planned and locked in that complete rewrites and edits are extremely unlikely.  It looks like Jordan had essentially planned the entire novel, chapter by chapter, viewpoint by viewpoint in a very precise order and Brandon is merely filling in the blanks, rewriting some parts, and integrating everthing into a whole.  If that's the case, it may very well be feasible to release the first half of the book with no serious repercussions on the second half.

For better or worse, I think we're going to get part of A Memory of Light in 2009 . . .

Thoughts?

Dennis
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on February 28, 2009, 07:50:14 AM
I have no firsthand knowledge either, but I believe your analysis is spot-on [EDIT: Though I do agree with the post below]. Brandon really did originally want to have the whole thing finished and out Octoberish, or barring that a split volumes October and November release, but the realities of the situation have forced a more pragmatic result. A couple months ago he was saying it would be more like an October/November and March release, but I think revisions are going to push the second volume back to summer 2010 as you say.

I'm also fairly certain that the first half will get its own name. And it would not surprise me if the whole thing got above 800,000 words—I am guessing that the types of revisions Harriet is asking for are adding to the word count.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Vatdoro on March 02, 2009, 09:24:58 PM
dfchang - I think you are correct. I always check Brandon's site before coming here to check on the forums. Based on the new progress bar and Brandon's latest update (http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/761/Various-Notes), I came to the same conclusion you did on the time frame.

This is the only part that I don't 100% agree with you on:
Also, the story of A Memory of Light could already to so well planned and locked in that complete rewrites and edits are extremely unlikely.  It looks like Jordan had essentially planned the entire novel, chapter by chapter, viewpoint by viewpoint in a very precise order and Brandon is merely filling in the blanks, rewriting some parts, and integrating everthing into a whole.  If that's the case, it may very well be feasible to release the first half of the book with no serious repercussions on the second half.

From what I understand, Jordan had a general outline for AMOL, but I don't think he had it "chapter by chapter, viewpoint by viewpoint in a very precise order". Brandon has mentioned some sections of the book were well outlined, and some sections were already written, but a lot of the chapters are all up to Brandon to figure out with little (if any) outline or instructions.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on March 02, 2009, 10:56:00 PM
I second what Vatdoro said.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: IngtarWhoStoleChristmas on March 03, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
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Obviously, it is impossible to publish a 700,000 word book on many levels.  A split is going to be mandatory no matter what.

Not impossible, I've got a bible with archeological hisotories that stretches well beyond the size of any WoT book. (think it's about 2000 pages total). Of course the type is very small and reading for more than about an hour will make you go blind ;-) I'd much rather see a "normal" book and soon!
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on March 03, 2009, 10:58:06 PM
Small-texted books can be a pain sometimes.…
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Renoard on April 01, 2009, 01:22:39 PM
250K is just about the time I'm looking for the third major plot twist.  If a book ended at that point it would be rather unsatisfying.  On the other hand 700K is a little long.  But we're looking at this a bit too clinically I think.  Mr. Sanderson has pointed out in several posts that much of the current word volume is due to a lengthy prologue.  Is it really best to count forematter against the book's word count?  I read all the forewards/prologues but they are just the teaser to establish the context for the books which really in this case will begin with EUOL's original material in chapter one.  We're all just blowing off steam because of the anxiety over whether the series will end with a triumph or a whimper.

But really unless the prologue could reasonably be divided the results of splitting Memory would be ugly and require even longer delays not to mention encroaching on the precious real estate of text written by Rigney.  More text would be required to smooth the ending of Memory, a new title selected for the last book, hate mail answered from desperate fans and tinkering to smooth the opening of Book 13 (to be named whenever).  Not a pleasant thought.  An extra odd millions of dollars for TOR of course but messy and potentially disastrous.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: sporkify on April 23, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
Am I the only one amused by the fact that
A. There is an anti-gay-marriage commercial with a gathering storm featured heavily in it,
B. Book 12 is called The Gathering Storm, and
C. Pillow friends?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: IngtarWhoStoleChristmas on April 23, 2009, 03:24:37 PM
Am I the only one amused by the fact that
A. There is an anti-gay-marriage commercial with a gathering storm featured heavily in it,
B. Book 12 is called The Gathering Storm, and
C. Pillow friends?

Wow, nice reach
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: happyman on April 23, 2009, 04:35:13 PM
Am I the only one amused by the fact that
A. There is an anti-gay-marriage commercial with a gathering storm featured heavily in it,
B. Book 12 is called The Gathering Storm, and
C. Pillow friends?

Yes.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on April 23, 2009, 10:52:32 PM
Wtf 'pillow friends?' ??
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Renoard on April 24, 2009, 02:41:47 AM
Pillow friends, are a normative lesbian arrangement that Rigney included among the recruits to the White Tower.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on April 24, 2009, 02:42:16 AM
Oh… :-[ hehe that makes sense. Kind of.  :-X
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: SarahG on April 27, 2009, 10:50:40 PM
I'm not sure I'd say "normative" exactly, not that they were frowned upon either.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: bstullis on April 28, 2009, 08:15:00 AM
    First off, thanks for the forum to impart wisdom that no one else asked for ;^P.   I have not read anything B-Sanderson has written (although I am planning on rectifying that soon) but feel compelled to share my story of the WOT rot.  To this end I wish to reply to the blog post about splitting the book 3 ways. whether you bare with me or not, here it is for all to read.


I started TEOTW in my junior year at a large high school in Utah after reading the prologue for book 3 of the WOT.  I was then told that I shouldn't read any further because I wouldn't know what was happening. . . I have since read every word of every book only 3 times (sad that it is only 3, but I have mouths to feed).  I have waited, and waited, and waited for each of the books to be released.  I have been patient, impatient, frustrated, angry (at TOR. . . publishers love to wring every last penny out of us poor, overworked, under appreciated, "hooked," students/independent thinkers (again ;^p )).  In the end I realized that "Mr. Jordan" was writing the history of a people, not just a book to be devoured.  the people may only exist in our imaginations, but history it is, and no one does that over night (we may dream it, but life still interjects as it may, causing delay in putting it to paper).  In the mean time, I picked up other series (2-5 years is a long wait for a new book, and I started reading WOT over 15 years ago) and enjoyed Eddings, Brooks, Weiz & Hickman, Paolini, & Skye to name a few, but the gold standard for a complete, complex, and involved history is still the WOT.  My biggest fear was that the old man would die before he finished the series, that and large dogs with very sharp teeth. . . but that is neither here or there. He did, and now we have waited, patiently, for the next book (hopefully with better cover art. . . another conversation I believe) to arrive posthumously.

With that being said, I approve of the need to break the book into 3 volumes.  I don't agree with the forced removal of the prime title A Memory of Light, because the book store would have a hard time reordering. . . Bah!, if you work in a book store and don't know of the WOT, then you have no business touching anything but the vacuum!!!!!  So I say keep the prime title and the subtitles.  Of the length, 800k, 900k, 1mil. . . make it as long as the story needs for a full conclusion, otherwise there would be no point other than to SELL books on the NAME of a fantastic story only.  If that were to happen, it would confirm my above assessment of the publisher.

Through his clarity of thought and transparency, I believe Brandon (it's okay if i call you that I hope) has given the world at large a glimpse of the daunting task RJ had before him.  Brandon is doing the work justice, and being merciful to us by allowing us to see the progress, and WE GET A BOOK THIS YEAR!!!!!  

I tip my hat to B-Sanderson for the task at hand and thank you for being candid.  I hope all is well with you and yours.  And Thank you for taking on this task.  

Bstullis

PS  if at all possible, think "renegotiation," I have a feeling it is going to have a larger impact than you first dreamed.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Midnight on June 05, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Well, i know Brandon will do an amazing job. I just pray he tones down the "A face carved of stone, a face of stone, stone stone stone statue stoney face chiseled from stone yada yada stone stone" comments.  I got so tired of every character having a face chiseled from stone every other sentence.  :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Renoard on June 05, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
Well you know it's just one of those things.  Illian had all this statuary and a "bubble of Evil" hit and well that combined with all the forkroot. . . well you just have a lot of stoned people.

. . .Well I would not be so all alone!  Everybody must get stoned. . .
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Midnight on June 06, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
hah, well jordan was in his prime in the 60's...  ::)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shard on June 06, 2009, 12:50:33 PM
hah, well jordan was in his prime in the 60's...  ::)

What's that supposed to mean exactly?
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Reaves on June 06, 2009, 03:09:31 PM
hah, well jordan was in his prime in the 60's...  ::)

I thought the 70's were the era of drugs :)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Renoard on June 06, 2009, 09:18:52 PM
Naw the 70's were the decade of national drug recovery.  50s and 60s were the era of free love and drug abuse.  Because practically nothing was illegal yet.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Midnight on June 07, 2009, 09:49:18 PM
It means he probably knew alot about stoned characters =p

hence all the stoney chiseled stoney stoned faces in his books.

You can't tell me i'm the only one who ever got annoyed at his character descriptions, how they were all "as if chiseled from stone" or "Solid as stone"
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Shaggy on June 07, 2009, 10:20:15 PM
I didn't find that annoying. I've actually used those types of stone references several times in my own writing.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Renoard on June 08, 2009, 01:27:05 AM
I don't know if your the only one, but I never flagged on it as too often.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Vatdoro on June 08, 2009, 03:48:03 PM
You can't tell me i'm the only one who ever got annoyed at his character descriptions, how they were all "as if chiseled from stone" or "Solid as stone"

Jordan definitely uses "with a face of stone" a lot in WoT, but it never bothered me. I doubt you're the only person to find it annoying. I'm sure someone else in the world got annoyed with all the "stoney faces", but I'm not one of them. :p
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Midnight on June 10, 2009, 09:50:03 AM
Well, it has quite a bit to do with listening to the series in audiobook format i imagine.  I'm sure if i read the actual books i'd feel differently.  ^^
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: jahmes on June 12, 2009, 07:03:02 PM
stone faced lan... :D looks like yhe king of Malkier has a private addiction like me hehe
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Liathiana on June 18, 2009, 08:40:53 PM
When I first heard that Brandon was going to write the 12th book I was kind of meh...I'd never read any of his books though I trusted Harriet's decision and wasn't truly worried. After I read his books I became more and more excited to see how AMOL would turn out. Then the announcement came out that it would be split into 3 books and I have to admit I was quite angry at first. It was a very emotional, gut response because Mr. Jordan had promised us one final book and I thought it was kind of dishonorable to his wishes to split it into 3. I had my suspicions that it had to do with money, 3 books gets more money than just 1 and I don't have much faith in ANYONE trying to sell me ANYTHING be it a bookstore or a grocery store or even where I work, Old Navy. However, that was until I read his blog post about his reasons behind splitting the book and the fact that he suggested it to Tor in the first place. I think that was about the point I really started becoming  a fan of Brandon rather than just liking/loving his books. I appreciated the honesty and I think that's hard to find nowadays.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Bururian on July 15, 2009, 07:53:14 PM
I had the pleasure of reading Elantris right before they announced Brandon would be finishing WoT, and as a avid reader for 10+ years now, I'm pretty happy with who they chose. I love his style, and I know he'll be able to adapt with no problem to complete the books. It was also a plus to get to sit in on Jordan Con and listen to him talk about the books all weekend.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Pygmalion on July 31, 2009, 03:38:20 AM
So who's read Jason Denzel's review of TGS on Dragonmount? If you haven't, here's the link:http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=585

It's got me even more excited, if that's even possible.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Ehran on July 31, 2009, 04:48:47 AM
Bah!

I was telling myself I would wait for all three books to be completed and released before buying but after reading that review I realized I can't wait.

Gotta decide whether to buy via Amazon and wait a few days or go out and buy it day of release at a local store.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on July 31, 2009, 05:31:10 AM
I didn't read the spoiler part, but I did read the rest. Jason is pretty gung-ho about it.

I liked the part where he said he and someone else disagreed about whether certain people were in character.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: sortitus on July 31, 2009, 06:57:01 AM
The spoiler section didn't spoil anything really. Nothing anyone who has read all of the books doesn't already know. It was very vague, and mostly just talked about the screen time Rand got and gave mentions to others who had parts that Jason liked.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on July 31, 2009, 04:01:28 PM
Personally, I think that since this book is going to be a satisfying read by itself, with a clear book division, there will be little reason to wait. On the other hand, if you do wait, it only has to be two more years, since Brandon will meet his deadlines.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: IngtarWhoStoleChristmas on July 31, 2009, 05:46:34 PM
Wow, just wow.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: sortitus on July 31, 2009, 06:24:26 PM
Personally, I think that since this book is going to be a satisfying read by itself, with a clear book division, there will be little reason to wait. On the other hand, if you do wait, it only has to be two more years, since Brandon will meet his deadlines.
I would laugh, but this truth is so painful that I can't manage it. It certainly will be a strange feeling to know for real when the next WoT book will come out.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Pygmalion on July 31, 2009, 10:44:33 PM
Personally, I think that since this book is going to be a satisfying read by itself, with a clear book division, there will be little reason to wait. On the other hand, if you do wait, it only has to be two more years, since Brandon will meet his deadlines.
I would laugh, but this truth is so painful that I can't manage it. It certainly will be a strange feeling to know for real when the next WoT book will come out.

lol, it is a strange feeling, but it's brought such comfort and stability to my life.  ;D
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: Renoard on December 06, 2009, 04:26:23 PM
I have to say I mostly agreed with JW on his review.  The problem is that I was disappointed.  I know a lot of my comments prior to release were seen as spiteful, though they were never intended that way.  But my point then as now was to encourage Brandon to grow and stretch in one particular area as a writer that I've not seen evidence of.  This book was well crafted and, if we didn't have the body of previous work from Mr. Rigney, it would be the start of a great trilogy.  Brandon is better able to shape each volume around the bones of a classical plot arch and there is a real challenge give the fact that the series, for all it's length, is really a single novel in multiple volumes.  Dumas wrote Monte Cristo that way and. . . but back to WoT.
I read the prerelease of the first chapter with real trepidation.  The imagery were far uglier than Jordan.  Not just written with a different writer's voice but simply lacking right tone.  Rigney could write about Trollocs cannibalizing one another and a homicidal madman directing them to do it in frustration over how long they were taking.  Yet his tone inevitably had a sort of prosaic flow that wended it's way around these images so that you lost none of the horror but never-the-less felt the narrator was your ally and companion not an indifferent reporter.
From the foul wind to the end of the chapter it was staccato and harsh, not because the subjects were but because the narrator spoke like voice of the dark one himself. That was a worry.  But I pressed on, because I intend to finish regardless of the qualities of the remaining books. How much I as a consumer resent that will depend on the remaining volume(s).
The rest of the book was a bigger let down, not because it was badly written of because Brandon failed to make the material his own and produce a valid perspective on the WoT World. To the contrary, he did precisely that and I found myself greatly encouraged by the time I got to the middle of the book.
I have a problem with the characterization of Rand as harder, given the callow stupidity of some of his understanding regarding Moghedian and Grendal.  Given the special memories he has he should understand the lay of the land in Tarbon far better than he does.  But that is not a story killer and Rigney made similar slips at times so in comparison Brandon holds his own on that account as well.
The problem is two-fold.  With Brandon's background, access to source material we don't have and general success with the remainder of the volume, why were we forced to endure a first chapter that reads like Johnny Mnemonic or a bad manga?
Secondly. With the quaility of the passages dealing with the plots within the Tower, the confession of a significant Black Ajah (one I predicted to several people and am gratified to see confirmed) and the development of characters that are new and yet every bit as poignant and sympathetic as Rigney's core cast, why were the two climaxes, as Jason calls them, allowed to go so flat? The exposure of the most significant Tower witch, besides Egwene herself (not telling who for those who haven't read yet), as a darkfriend read like the script of an episode of LAw and Order.  It was trite, unrealistic and anticlimactic.  Assuming Rigney wrote it, I'm am confident he would have rewritten when the book was mostly complete. It was a travesty to go to presses with that text, given the obvious skills of both writers.
The other climax was similarly bad for different reasons.  The soul searching was like a train ride through a ghetto.  You get the privilege of seeing all the harsh reality, but no one is really reacting.  The speed of the train, the insulating glass, it all serves to isolate the passenger --in this case the reader-- from the smells and sounds and horror, despite the fact the house closest to the train are the worst in the hood.
The passages from Abu Dar were insipid and far too brief.  It was like playing WoTmud porting into Seandar or the Gate Keep then running away and hiding till you can port out again. That's a reference that will be lost on many but I'm certain that it isn't far from what framed and drove the writing of the whole interlude.  The mountain top experience should have been a crisis to make Joseph Campbell dance a hora with Joseph Smith and Paul the Apostle, instead it read like an really bad tantrum, and the narrator was as bored and unfocused as the reader.
Emotional scenes need motion like any other. The only motion that you can bring is the narration. It has to pop.  This fizzled.  I know I'll get lambasted for this, but I expect, as a consumer, that the remaining work get more attention.  I have said that I think Brandon simply lacks the age and the edge for that sort of thing.  I hope he'll ask for help from someone whom he knows and trusts, who has published a lot of psychologically intense and successful work (think ludlum or mitchner, not card or wells).  Not to credit them but just to help work out where things are going flat.  Too many cheerleaders can trip you up.  And the evidence is in that you, brandon are capable of better.
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: IngtarWhoStoleChristmas on December 08, 2009, 04:23:22 PM
A couple things

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The exposure of the most significant Tower witch, besides Egwene herself (not telling who for those who haven't read yet), as a darkfriend read like the script of an episode of LAw and Order

Not sure who you're calling the "most significant tower witch" but if it's who I think it is there was never any mention of her actually being a DF

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If Brandon can ask Ludlum about psychological thrillers than I'll be VERY impressed, as he is VERY deceased. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ludlum)

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...instead it read like an really bad tantrum, and the narrator was as bored and unfocused as the reader.
This is an opinion stated as fact, I for one was not bored and unfocused.

There are some areas that could use a little work, I wasn't a big fan of the opening chapter, but was not completely turned off by it. I loved the Prologue, and felt there were a few people who were a little 'off' (mainly Mat and Tomanes). These did not ruin my enjoyment.

Remember Brandon sat down to write each POV from where they were to the beginning of the last battle. There is bound to be some continutity/timeline confusion when doing this. I'm sure ToM will help get us on the same page to gear up for the last battle.

Brandon has the foremost living experts on the WoT helping him complete the series. While the voice is most certainly different (it should be, he's not RJ. That is not a knock, I would say the same if RJ were alive and finishing up Mistborn for Brandon) if it read like a Bourne book I would feel very cheated (I LOVED the original Bourne books)
Title: Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
Post by: zarepath on December 08, 2009, 09:42:34 PM
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The soul searching was like a train ride through a ghetto.

This is my favorite metaphor for soul searching that I've read today.