Timewaster's Guide Archive

Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Archon on July 27, 2006, 01:28:59 AM

Title: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on July 27, 2006, 01:28:59 AM
      I just finished. Amazing book, EUOL. I think it ranks as the second best book I have ever read, right after the Lord of the Rings. And never have I been so tempted to replace LOTR as my #1. Your characters were very well developed, but, at the same time, so was the milieu. I like the fact that you fully describe your magic system so that it is understood what the limitations are. It makes the fights more exciting when a person uses the known rules in unexpected ways, like Kelsier spinning the bars to deflect the arrows by Pushing on one side, and Pulling the other. Speaking of which, Kelsier is going to be sorely missed in the next book. He was definitely a personal favorite.

Anyway, congratulations EUOL, on having written such an extraordinary book.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: demented_yam on July 28, 2006, 10:23:51 AM
It was just as good the second time.  ;D
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Ruthie on July 30, 2006, 12:54:37 AM
Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I just finished a few hours ago, and that's about all that is running through my mind.

Thoughts:

1) This needs to become a movie, soon, and Summer Glau needs to play Vin.

2) I totally guessed that the Lord Ruler was the Terrisman guy about 2/3 of the way through. I wasn't sure I was right, but everything fit. I felt so awesome when the big reveal happened. :) I even guessed that Feruchemy had something to do with how he was living so long, but I didn't put together the Allomancy part.

3) Capitalizing Push and Pull was a bit disorienting sometimes, but I guess I got used to it.

4) Marsh as an Inquisitor =  ;D 8) ;D

Once again, an awesome magic system and an awesome plot. Two thumbs way up.

Edit: When will the sequel be out?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on July 30, 2006, 01:31:16 AM
Quote

4) Marsh as an Inquisitor =  ;D 8) ;D


Awesome, yet totally totally creepy, if you ask me.  :)
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: EUOL on July 30, 2006, 03:30:25 AM
Marsh has a large part to play in things to come, so you'll get more on the ramifications of that event, I promise you.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on July 31, 2006, 12:30:26 PM
RAMIFICATIONS I TELL YOU!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: neiana on July 31, 2006, 10:17:57 PM
I just finished as well.  I, too, had considered the Lord Ruler fella to be a Terrisman, but not necessarily the one it ended up being, and only then once we saw he was sitting in that hidden room...

Most of the characters were absolutely beautiful to read.  I wasn't as entertained by Kelsier was I was with the rest of the crew, however.

Honestly the biggest secret I half-expected was Marsh being alive, but that was "soothed" so-to-speak by the note.  Although, Kelsier dying was pretty easily read in chapters previous, but I had expected him to put up at least a fight.

Well anyway, I loved it dearly an eagerly anticipate watching the new Hero of Ages defeating the Darkness.   ;D
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Lost One on August 04, 2006, 12:28:12 AM
Finally finished. It is a pretty complete novel. I was a little surprise by Kelsier's character. I wasn't surprised that he died but I was surprised how powerful his is right before he dies. He takes out the mines pretty easily when earlier it seems like he would need more help. It seems like Kelsier and Vin's powers fluctuated to fit the story, rather being consistent.

Overall, it was a satisfying book and I look forward to reading next one. The magic system is clever.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: demented_yam on August 04, 2006, 01:17:11 AM
Quote
Finally finished. It is a pretty complete novel. I was a little surprise by Kelsier's character. I wasn't surprised that he died but I was surprised how powerful his is right before he dies. He takes out the mines pretty easily when earlier it seems like he would need more help. It seems like Kelsier and Vin's powers fluctuated to fit the story, rather being consistent.

Overall, it was a satisfying book and I look forward to reading next one. The magic system is clever.


why would the mines be harder to break into?

you can't guard it with mistborn or allomancers: they'd destroy the crystals.

you can't guard it with the anti-allomantic soldiers (can't remember their names), because if you station enough of them there to be effective, it'd be kinda hard to keep the place a secret. (well, keep the 'mines' part a secret, anyway)

and you can't station a large army there for the same reason.


basically, the only people he had to kill were the guards that were supposed to watch over the prisoners.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on August 04, 2006, 09:24:20 AM
I think he means doing the actual destroying, rather than just getting in and out.

Ho3wever, I read a manuscript some 2 or 3 years ago, so maybe I'm missing some details.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Lost One on August 04, 2006, 10:38:23 AM
Quote
Posted by: demented_yam Posted on: Aug 3rd, 2006, 10:17pm

why would the mines be harder to break into?

you can't guard it with mistborn or allomancers: they'd destroy the crystals.

you can't guard it with the anti-allomantic soldiers (can't remember their names), because if you station enough of them there to be effective, it'd be kinda hard to keep the place a secret. (well, keep the 'mines' part a secret, anyway)

and you can't station a large army there for the same reason.  


Notice that Kelsier doesn't destroy any crystals until he is inside the mine. Thus, outside the mine could presumably been guarded by allomancers. It would have made sense to have at least some allomancers from the ministry supervising the mines. This could been both discrete and provided more protection (and order) than simply having a few guards.

More importantly, the reader is lead to believe taking the mines would be significant (thus the need to raise an army and send part of them to capture the mine). Why didn't Kelsier destroy the mines earlier if he could do it all by himself? Why bother to plan sending troops their when he could have simply destroyed it and use the troop elsewhere?

I felt like more of an explanation was needed to let the readers know that Kelsier was still functioning within previously defined limits and had not suddenly become all powerful to advance the plot line.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 04, 2006, 02:40:45 PM
Allomancers couldn't guard the outside even, because of the risk of using allomancy near the mines. There could have been haze killers, which is probably why Kelsier didn't want to go take the mine earlier. Also, it is possible that earlier on in the story he wanted to take the mine without destroying it. In that case, going alone wouldn't have worked. I can't check my facts because I don't have my copy on me right now, but I would expect that was why. Also, it is probable that some of the guards of the mine were drawn away from the mine by the army's attack, so that would be another contributing factor.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Lost One on August 05, 2006, 12:20:33 AM
Archon, you explanation is reasonable but such an explanation was not given in the book. This is the problem. I don't like having to fill in too many gaps when I'm reading a book.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Predak on August 05, 2006, 01:13:56 AM
When I found out about Marsh I had the same reaction as that dude in Les Miserables. ("I knew it. I knew it! I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!") It was a clever bit of foreshadowing when Spook tells Vin that Marsh's nickname was "Ironeyes."
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: demented_yam on August 05, 2006, 02:30:30 AM
Quote
Archon, you explanation is reasonable but such an explanation was not given in the book. This is the problem. I don't like having to fill in too many gaps when I'm reading a book.



him going after the mines was more of an emotional moment than a plot-intensive moment.

what he did is more important than how he did it.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 05, 2006, 03:17:05 AM
I disagree demented, I don't think that, in a book, you can ever say that what someone did is more important than how they did it. Otherwise, plotlines become arbitrary, and the author is just playing around. True, fantasy mixes the possible with the impossible, but there have to be reasons and explanations for the impossibilities, otherwise the reader will never be able to relate to the book.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: demented_yam on August 06, 2006, 06:49:42 AM
Quote
I disagree demented, I don't think that, in a book, you can ever say that what someone did is more important than how they did it. Otherwise, plotlines become arbitrary, and the author is just playing around. True, fantasy mixes the possible with the impossible, but there have to be reasons and explanations for the impossibilities, otherwise the reader will never be able to relate to the book.


I'm not saying that it should be that way all the time, but if he wrote a page in there with all the details of how heavily guarded the mines were and the pros/cons of putting more troops there, a lot of the impact of the scene would be lost, especially since his attack was a spur-of-the-moment thing in retaliation for Marsh's (presumed) death
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 06, 2006, 02:04:26 PM
That may be true, but he could have given an explanation earlier in the text, when the moment would have been lost. In my opinion, he implied the reasoning for it throughout the text, so that the moment wasn't lost, yet it could be safely assumed that Kelsier was well within his skill limitations.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Faster Master St. Pastor on August 09, 2006, 08:27:55 PM
All I can say is this was a far more enjoyable book than Elantris and was handled better. That and hurry up with MB 2! ;)
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 10, 2006, 06:16:37 AM
Just finished and one thing kept bugging me, and I really wish EUOL would bother to ask me about such things, but with all that ash in the sky for that long of period the Mistborn world would probably have been one giant Popsicle.  Volcanic ash and sulfuric acid when high in the atmosphere can block the sun's rays and thus heat from the sun, it wouldn't raise the temperature as EUOL had it doing it would have lowered it.  This has actually happened several times in the World causing Ice ages, most recent one was about 200 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ice_age#Volcanic_activity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_A_Summer

So in fact Central Dominance wouldn't have been more like Alaska due to the ash since before the ash mountains it was already a cold place.

Besides that it was a good book, though Alloymancy didn't work for me really.  Like the powers and effects but burning the metals, to improbable for me and it distracted too much from the story.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: stacer on August 10, 2006, 11:52:19 AM
I think I did ask about how plants would grow at all with the ash blocking the sun. I don't think I ever got an answer, and decided it was just something I had to go with.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Shrain on August 10, 2006, 01:28:35 PM
The Lord Ruler changed the plants physically so they could grow in the ashy enviro. I think I read this in the 2nd book but it's also in the 3rd (which is awesome! I just finished it!)

Also, the plants became all boring and brown thanks to the Lord Ruler.

Oh, and as to the ash making the world colder, I swear I asked that question in my comments I gave to EUOL for the 1st book... I'll have to look at the notes on my ibook when I get home!  8)
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: EUOL on August 10, 2006, 01:29:45 PM
Quote
Just finished and one thing kept bugging me, and I really wish EUOL would bother to ask me about such things, but with all that ash in the sky for that long of period the Mistborn world would probably have been one giant Popsicle. Â Volcanic ash and sulfuric acid when high in the atmosphere can block the sun's rays and thus heat from the sun, it wouldn't raise the temperature as EUOL had it doing it would have lowered it. Â This has actually happened several times in the World causing Ice ages, most recent one was about 200 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ice_age#Volcanic_activity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_A_Summer

So in fact Central Dominance wouldn't have been more like Alaska due to the ash since before the ash mountains it was already a cold place.

Besides that it was a good book, though Alloymancy didn't work for me really. Â Like the powers and effects but burning the metals, to improbable for me and it distracted too much from the story.



You obviously give me too little credit, Sprig.  Read the next two books before you pass judgment on my scientific inabilities.

Hint:  Instead of asking "Why didn't Brandon realize there would be a nuclear winter" ask "Why did the Lord Ruler WANT there to be a nuclear winter on the planet.  And, if THIS is a nuclear winter, exactly how close is the planet to the sun...."

Both questions will be answered.  
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Shrain on August 10, 2006, 01:52:19 PM
Quote

Both questions will be answered.  

Yep. I for one was satisfied with the answers on the enviro. Good job, EUOL.

Hey, just a heads up: I'll be sending you my typed comments on Mistborn III very, very soon. hehehe ;D
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 10, 2006, 02:02:26 PM
Quote

You obviously give me too little credit, Sprig.  


I never give you any credit, you should know that by now, it just feeds your ego.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Faster Master St. Pastor on August 10, 2006, 06:35:44 PM
And yet you build him an awesome site that he can bragg about and show off to his fans.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Shrain on August 11, 2006, 03:52:59 PM
Yes, well, Sprigg enjoys those who "bragg" of his work. ;) Who wouldn't.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Eric James Stone on August 12, 2006, 03:20:44 PM
I'm just waiting for the scene in book two where they meet up with the Lord Ruler's widow, Lady Protractor.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CtrlZed on August 13, 2006, 04:11:18 PM
I shouldn't give book 2 spoilers, but in addition to Lady Protractor's appearance, there's the return of the Lord Ruler's now-leaderless band . . . the Slide Rulers.

Without the pewter-enhanced stage antics and hands-free guitar solos (steel-string guitar, folks) the band hasn't been the same.  I skipped their last concert.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: GLE on August 14, 2006, 03:38:43 PM
Book 2 and 3? ... i wish i could read those now. lol. good job with Mistborn! it was amazing!!!! keep it up, i wanna buy the next book already, guess i will have to read ur other books again while i wait.  Also guys. lay off. enjoy the books. dont try to make it so complicated....  ;D lol
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Oldie Black Witch on August 14, 2006, 03:52:44 PM
GLE,

A couple of things you should be aware of . . .
1. Welcome to the board! Please take the time to introduce yourself (http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1051196804) and read the FAQ (http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1080380396). Or face the wrath of the newbie slapdown.
2. If you think this is bad, you probably won't fit in here. You may want to especially avoid irritating SuperE.
3. Spriggan is Brandon's brother. 'Nuff said.
4. Brandon is a real professional--he's always looking for constructive criticism. Feel free to tell him what you like and what you don't like about his writing.
Just make sure you post it in the proper place, or face the wrath of the newbie slapdown.

Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on August 14, 2006, 04:03:45 PM
Quote
2. If you think this is bad, you probably won't fit in here. You may want to especially avoid irritating SuperE.

For my wrath is mighty.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 14, 2006, 04:12:19 PM
And so is your stench.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: EUOL on August 14, 2006, 04:15:43 PM
Wow!  Zing!  That was a particularly good one, Sprig.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on August 14, 2006, 04:18:54 PM
you're just jealous of my incredible good looks and rogueishly charming personality.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Shrain on August 14, 2006, 04:34:40 PM
Wait, um, isn't that *your* picture in the avatar space, SE? 'Cuz if it is.... ;)
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on August 14, 2006, 04:39:21 PM
JEALOUS I TELL YOU!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: taineer on August 14, 2006, 07:21:59 PM
  I stayed up 'til 3AM last night to finish which is something I haven't done in 20 years! Kudos to Mr Sanderson on his effort.
 This could be one of the all-time great series, but I'll hold off judgement until it's finished.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Kuntrey_Pilgrum on August 14, 2006, 08:11:57 PM
Grrreat book! ;D :D I loved it, and envy you your magic system.  I agree with taineer, this just might be the greatest book of fantasy I have ever read
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: GLE on August 17, 2006, 02:22:24 PM
thanks for the info. I had figured most of that out from other forum spots. thanks for being so cool guys. keep it up! and brandon. i dont think you could really do any better on your books! ;D ;D ;D

Also, you're all funny too. okay... i better stop i sound like im trying to suck up to all u guys.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 17, 2006, 04:52:46 PM
Well I finished both Elantris and Mistborn last week and I must say that I fully enjoyed both. They easily are both on the top of my list for my favorite books read. Anywayz I love a lot of the same things mentioned already throughout this thread.
1) The characters were original and seemed real and believable.

2) The environment and storyline were both awesome and kept the book in my hand.

3) And probably the most obvious and fan favorite of the book was the inventive magic system. Never before has my adrenaline actually pumped while reading an action sequence in all my times of reading.

I, like others I'm sure, would love to see this book be made into a movie. Mr. Sanderson...I give you kudos for this awesome book. I've read the thread a bit before I posted and I was wondering if you could give me your brother's address...that way I can go and steal whatever copies he has of the unpublished books in the series that we all are waiting eagerly to read. I ask for his address because I would feel less guilty sneaking in at night, (mistcloak and all) and robbing him instead of you! Haha...you guys are a trip on here...enjoy!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 17, 2006, 04:55:05 PM
Also another question is towards Sanderson's name on here...I'm guessing his pic is of a Scion from Elantris but what is his name about?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on August 17, 2006, 04:56:30 PM
/me starts using the password protection on his computer

EUOL stands for "Evil Undead OverLord"

It's an old joke, that may one day become relevant again in TWG projects. YOu can learn more about it in the TWG FAQ (http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1080380396). And since you're new here, please help us get to know you (http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1051196804)
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 17, 2006, 04:57:14 PM
That's only known to the Lord Ruler and unfortunately he's dead.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Shrain on August 17, 2006, 04:57:38 PM
Welcome, corrupted Terrisman. We can *always* use more corrupted stewards around. ;)

As for EUOL, he is our resident Evil Undead Overlord.

Edit: Oh, and don't mind Sprigg. He's got an overdeveloped sense of brotherly jealousy. So I wouldn't bother trying to suck up to him if you only wanna get on EUOL's good side... ;)
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 17, 2006, 11:24:50 PM
Haha you guys are a fun lot. I browsed through the FAQ's section and didn't really find an answer to my question I am about to put down. And well...this might not be the right section to ask such a question but you guys look like you're a fun lot and prob won't harass me too much about postin it here...but what is the EXP thing about...the weapons the skills...and what not? Haha do we actually get to fight? Crazy...never hung out on a message board like this. But...yeah just to keep my post in the right section...

EUOL...man...you really kicked me in the nutz when you killed off Kell! Haha I mean it had to happen, and it foreshadowed it quite a bit throughout the story I guess but still!!! Yeah...the way he went down was pretty pimp though. You did an awesome job on that. Killin the shirt out of...Bellacar? I forget what that inquisitor's name was...(I'm lazy...didn't feel like flippin through the last 30 pages to find out what Kar said his name was)...But then Kell gets a stick rammed through his chest and then a pimp slap from the Lord Ruler...sheesh torn his face off. Anyyywayzz...you will never hear the end of my praise for this book...haha later guyz.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 18, 2006, 03:14:51 AM
Quote
So begins the duel between Ookla The Mok and CorruptedTerrisman! Tremble in awe at the mighty conflict!

It is a bout between a Student of Light Magic and a Student of Servitude !
You have 132 hitpoints.
CorruptedTerrisman has 93 hitpoints.


This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 132 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 93 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman uses his 0 !
CorruptedTerrisman misses you!

You use your Shortbow !
You hit CorruptedTerrisman for 28 damage!
CorruptedTerrisman has 65 hit points left.

You win the match point!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 132 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 65 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman uses his 0 !
CorruptedTerrisman misses you!

You use your Shortbow !
You hit CorruptedTerrisman for 11 damage!
CorruptedTerrisman has 54 hit points left.

You win the match point!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 132 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 54 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman uses his 0 !
CorruptedTerrisman misses you!

You use your Shortbow !
You miss CorruptedTerrisman!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Light Magic!

You have 132 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 54 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman casts a spell!
You defend with a No Spell spell!
Your spell absorbs 17 damage!
CorruptedTerrisman hits you for 0 damage!
You have 132 hit points left.

You cast your No Spell spell!
CorruptedTerrisman defends with a spell!
You miss CorruptedTerrisman!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Melee Weapons!

You have 132 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 54 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman swings his 0 !
CorruptedTerrisman hits you for 3 damage!
You have 129 hit points left.

You swing your Broken Stick !
You miss CorruptedTerrisman!

Your opponent wins the match point!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 129 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 54 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman uses his 0 !
CorruptedTerrisman misses you!

You use your Shortbow !
You hit CorruptedTerrisman for 38 damage!
CorruptedTerrisman has 16 hit points left.

You win the match point!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 129 hitpoints and 3 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 16 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman uses his 0 !
CorruptedTerrisman misses you!

You use your Shortbow !
You miss CorruptedTerrisman!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Neutral Magic!

You have 129 hitpoints and 3 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 16 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman casts a spell!
You defend with a No Spell spell!
The spell misses you!

You cast your No Spell spell!
CorruptedTerrisman defends with a spell!
You miss CorruptedTerrisman!
The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Neutral Magic!

You have 129 hitpoints and 3 matchpoint(s).
CorruptedTerrisman has 16 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

CorruptedTerrisman casts a spell!
You defend with a No Spell spell!
The spell misses you!

You cast your No Spell spell!
CorruptedTerrisman defends with a spell!
spell absorbs 5 damage!
You hit CorruptedTerrisman for 38 damage!
CorruptedTerrisman has -22 hit points left.

You win the match point!

CorruptedTerrisman collapses, his hitpoints depleted to -22!
You are victorious!

I need to upgrade my stats...

Quote
You cast your Light of Mindweakening spell!
CorruptedTerrisman defends with a spell!
spell absorbs 5 damage!
You hit CorruptedTerrisman for 626 damage!
CorruptedTerrisman has -533 hit points left.

You win the match point!

CorruptedTerrisman collapses, his hitpoints depleted to -533!
You are victorious!
Okay, that's better.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 18, 2006, 09:14:59 AM
HA!! Bet you didn't expect me to cast back the perfect spell to counter that one did you!?!?....wait...what? I only saved for 5 damage?....
SHAT!...Alright well...we'll do that again in about 1600 posts...Haha..
Anywayz that's rather entertaining. Anyone feel like explainin it a bit? Or at least throwin a link at me so I can read up a bit. Ahh shoot..well again to keep this post in the right thread!...

EUOL...The cover art for Mistborn. I was wondering who the Obligator was on the front cover? No real obligator really stood out I guess in the book besides her Dad...but he really didn't have a part in this book. So...why did you choose to have a random Obligator on the front cover? And not a kick ass Inquisitor or even the Lord Ruler himself? I love it regardless of who it is cause it's probably just about the kewlest cover art ever.
But yeah did anyone else kind of start thinking of the huge badass in Silent Hill games and the movie? When it comes to the Inquisitor that is. I just imagined them like being huge and having those spikes in their eyes. Haha just kind of seemed familiar with the huge ugly dude that drags along the huge ass cloud lookin sword and has this huge pointed weight lookin thing on his head that kinda looks like an anvil. Haha I'm just rambling but yeah anywayz. I'm gonna get ready to head off to work....get back at me on this crap guys....later.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Linternet on August 18, 2006, 12:28:12 PM
I finished the book and it delivered - big time.  Very well developed world, deep characters, a clever magic system, and a captivating plot.  I'm looking foward to the next one.

The ending did seem a bit rushed. It flowed perfectly until Kelsier's death and then the whole universe got turned upside down so fast I barely had time to process it.  

Don't get me wrong, using Kelsier as a catalyst for revolt was brilliant.  In addition to making perfect sense. his death threw out a "nobody is safe" warning that will add massive amounts of dramatic tension to the next books.  However, the entire city in revolt, Marsh's reappearence as an Inquisitor, The death of Lord Ruler, Elend installed as King, Marsh as head of the Church. It seemed as if there could have been a whole book on those events (not that the aftermath doesn't lend itself to novels worth of material :) ) and it was a bit much for me to take in.

Overall a fantastic read.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 18, 2006, 03:10:03 PM
So this is probably more known to other people...but I however am oblivious of the answer...so I was wondering EUOL when can "those other people that don't have special connections or those who can't sneak in at night and steal a copy from Sprigg" gonna see the next book out? I like everyone else I'm sure, am holding my breath for it to come out so I can read it...

Oh and to let you know I saw here on the site that the best price for the book was $13.59...well I bought mine the week it came out when I stopped by the bookstore so I could pick it up to read for on the way to cedar pointe and I spent $32.00 on mine!! So chyeah...that's dedication. Haha...laterz gang.



EDIT:
Oh and Linternet...haha here you go I fought your ninja arse...

So begins the duel between CorruptedTerrisman and Linternet! Tremble in awe at the mighty conflict!

It is a bout between a Student of Servitude and a Student of Martial Arts !
You have 93 hitpoints.
Linternet has 84 hitpoints.


This point will be determined by a battle of Dark Magic!

You have 93 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 84 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

Linternet casts a spell!
You defend with a 0 spell!
The spell misses you!

You cast your 0 spell!
Linternet defends with a spell!
spell absorbs 3 damage!
You hit Linternet for 14 damage!
Linternet has 70 hit points left.

You win the match point!

This point will be determined by a battle of Vocal Debate!

You have 93 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

You make a mighty speech!
Linternet tries a rebuttle, but fails!
You win the matchpoint, and scream at your opponent: 0

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses his !
Linternet misses you!

You use your 0 !
You miss Linternet!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses his !
Linternet misses you!

You use your 0 !
You miss Linternet!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Neutral Magic!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

Linternet casts a spell!
You defend with a 0 spell!
The spell misses you!

You cast your 0 spell!
Linternet defends with a spell!
You miss Linternet!
The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Vocal Debate!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 0 matchpoint(s).

Linternet makes a mighty speech!
You try a rebuttle, but fail!
Linternet wins the matchpoint, and screams: "I like sand."

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses his !
Linternet misses you!

You use your 0 !
You miss Linternet!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Hand to Hand!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses style!
Linternet misses you!

You use 0 style!
You miss Linternet!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses his !
Linternet misses you!

You use your 0 !
You miss Linternet!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 93 hitpoints and 2 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 70 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses his !
Linternet misses you!

You use your 0 !
You hit Linternet for 3 damage!
Linternet has 67 hit points left.

You win the match point!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 93 hitpoints and 3 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 67 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses his !
Linternet misses you!

You use your 0 !
You miss Linternet!

The match point is a draw!

This point will be determined by a battle of Ranged Weapons!

You have 93 hitpoints and 3 matchpoint(s).
Linternet has 67 hitpoints and 1 matchpoint(s).

Linternet uses his !
Linternet misses you!

You use your 0 !
You hit Linternet for 3 damage!
Linternet has 64 hit points left.

You win the match point!

You are victorious with 4 matchpoints!
Linternet sulks away in defeat!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Linternet on August 18, 2006, 03:46:28 PM
CorruptedTerrisman: Clearly, you hack.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 18, 2006, 06:11:42 PM
Alright, I can't take it anymore. Sorry EUOL, I know you don't like us harassing people in your part of the board, but this really needs to be said.

Linternet, quoting that whole post was the worst waste of space, and other people's patience I have ever seen. Do not quote something unless it is necessary for other people to understand what you are talking about. And if you have to quote something that long, then abbreviate it.

Corrupted Terrismen, Kelsier will never, ever, ever be "pimp." No. Bad.  Also, nobody wants to hear about your "nutz," you can't kill the "nutz" out of something, and Kelsier did not get "pimp-slapped." When you say those kinds of things, it annoys a lot of people around here. Many, if not most, of the people on this site have degrees in something to do with literature, so when you talk like that, it is like nails on a chalkboard, and you will be mocked for it for as long as you continue. Also, I am sure EUOL is glad that you liked his book, but he probably doesn't like it so much when you ask for things like his address, and joke about breaking into his house. You are probably just joking, but it isn't something that is going to make you very well-liked around here, so knock it off.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Skar on August 18, 2006, 06:14:36 PM
Like I said.  Stalker.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Linternet on August 18, 2006, 06:51:19 PM
I apologize for breaching the etiquette of the forum.  I have edited the offending post.




Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 18, 2006, 08:02:31 PM
Haha alright then. I've been reprimanded...won't let it happen again. Spose the obvious reason for my choice of language is blamed on my youth and the society that I live in...but honestly...it couldn't have been that offensive, you just were bored I believe Archon. Anywayz it's in the past and over with. Thanks for letting me know though so that future occurences don't surface!! See...I can talk sophisticated when I need to...I am afterall a Terrisman steward...heh later guyz.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 18, 2006, 09:37:01 PM
Quote
The ending did seem a bit rushed. It flowed perfectly until Kelsier's death and then the whole universe got turned upside down so fast I barely had time to process it.  

...It seemed as if there could have been a whole book on those events (not that the aftermath doesn't lend itself to novels worth of material :) ) and it was a bit much for me to take in.

Linternet, welcome to a Brandon Sanderson book. In a Brandon Sanderson book there's a long deliberate build of tension and then in the last 40 pages everything goes crazy. He does this on purpose just to tick you off. :)

(Book 2's original ending was uncharacteristically slow. But word is this has been corrected.)

(And CorruptedTerrisman, you could at least put the battle in a smaller font.)
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 18, 2006, 09:54:00 PM
I wasn't offended, I was annoyed. And you can't really play the youth card on me, since I am only 18. Also, when you are trying to be sophisticated, don't substitute "z" for "s." You lose. Don't pass go, and don't collect $200. Try again. We don't expect people to be geniuses, but we do expect basic punctuation, an attempt at spelling, and some thought behind what you are trying to say. Feel free to take another swing at it.

On a brighter note, Linternet, that was well done. You handled yourself better than most people normally do, in that situation.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 18, 2006, 10:37:35 PM
Wow, I missed a lot today.

Thanks Archon.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 18, 2006, 11:48:21 PM
Haha alright I smalled down my post on the fight a bit there for you guys, it was taking up a bit of room I guess. Anyways didn't mean to throw ya off topic Archon, posting the bashing of my choice of spelling and grammar in this section of the forum had to be even more annoying for you than the previous mentioned hack job of grammar. I won't argue though, I'll just change up my spelling a bit to satisfy everyone. But alright...nothing to see here...let's continue on with the praise of Sanderson's Mistborn!
Again...sorry guyz...no harm no foul.

:: Puts down his Pen of Sophistication +3::

EDIT:
:: Does NOT pass go. Does NOT collect $200. ::
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Faster Master St. Pastor on August 19, 2006, 01:47:36 AM
Quote
Haha alright then. I've been reprimanded...won't let it happen again. Spose the obvious reason for my choice of language is blamed on my youth and the society that I live in...but honestly...it couldn't have been that offensive, you just were bored I believe Archon. Anywayz it's in the past and over with. Thanks for letting me know though so that future occurences don't surface!! See...I can talk sophisticated when I need to...I am afterall a Terrisman steward...heh later guyz.


I agree with what Archon said, and it especially doesn't fly with me because I'm fourteen and I have *never* ever typed like that.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 19, 2006, 11:39:44 PM
I have a question that could probably be answered by anyone that has read the book a few times and understand about everything from the book. Or those who just know everything anyways. But yeah...
I remember Marsh explaining in vague detail the process of making an Inquisitor, but I don't understand how it was that Marsh's body was found dead yet he was able to become an Inquisitor? Also EUOL someone mentioned before the irony of Marsh's nickname was "Ironeye". Obviously it does relate, but did you plan on it working like that from the start? And what other relevance did his nickname have for him from the start? That kind of foreshadowing really goes to show how much planning really has to go when it comes to novels like this, for every character and their connection to the environment that they are put into. Again I give you kudos Sanderson!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 20, 2006, 02:25:37 AM
It wasn't Marsh's body they found. It was pieces of several other people.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 20, 2006, 06:10:54 PM
You guys are really bored if you want to continue to bash me on a post that I was totally screwing around on. Drop it, it's over. If you insist on telling me how 'annoyed' you were or want to try and prove that you are far more superior to my intelligence even...throw me an email. I can't imagine what kind of drama you guys weave into your everyday lives if you can't drop something as stupid as this. As annoyed as you may have been, you're only going to bring the annoyance onto everyone else by dragging this out through this thread. Hell if it really ruined your life that bad, then start a totally new thread and then we can insult each other all you want. Otherwise...stop posting nonsense replies just so that you can milk the experience system by laying down another post. And as much as all of you 'want to kick my ass' out of annoyance. The feeling is mutual because of your lack of maturity with the situation. I dropped it, apologized, and haven't done it since...let it go.

But yeah, EUOL I was wondering the same question. When can we expect book two to hit our local bookstores?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 20, 2006, 06:48:31 PM
Everyone please be nice...  :-/

Last I heard, book 2 was supposed to come in May 2007 with book 3 due in December or so, but it sounded like the scheduling was uncertain.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: EUOL on August 20, 2006, 07:26:20 PM
Yes, I would ask that people please cool off just a bit.  I think Corrupted Terrisman has done a good job of trying to calm down and fit in, and he did apologize.  He does have a more internet-like style of typing, but he's obviously not a fool.  After all, he named himself off a character in my books....  :)

A couple of answers here.  First off, Marsh.  I came up with the name "Ironeyes" for Marsh early on, but decided not to use it much in the book.  The trick is, every character on the crew has a real name and a nickname.  Even if it's a simple distinction, like the Sazed/Saze one.   The backstory is that Kelsier, in one of his irreverent ways, once nicknamed his brother "Ironeyes" because of how stern Marsh was.  He was fond of giving people harsh stares and the like.  It was a pun, also, since Marsh acted a bit like an Inquisitor--always chastising Kelsier for his lifestyle.

The name fell out of favor, however, particularly after Kelsier was taken by the Lord Ruler and the Inquisitors.  Marsh was never fond of it.  I did include the reference to it as a foreshadowing element, and I'm glad you caught it.

Book Two:
The seventh draft is nearly done.  We're still trying to slip it into the schedule for next April, but that's looking less and less likely.  If we can't make that work, it will be summertime--June, July, or August.  
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Kuntrey_Pilgrum on August 20, 2006, 11:06:04 PM
I'm sorry........ :-[ I had had a bad day, and needed someone to yell at, so I yelled at something that WOULD have been funny to me on a normal occasion.
Please forgive me?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 20, 2006, 11:52:35 PM
Brandon, my offer to add another pair of eyes for galleys still stands.

Hard to "slip" a book into the schedule this close. Bookstores want to have things scheduled at least a year in advance (and as far as we're concerned at work, it's late November right now). Any particular reason the date wasn't firmer before? Revisions?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: stacer on August 21, 2006, 12:20:11 AM
I'm sending fall 2007 books off to the copyeditor about now, so I can see why it'd feel a rush job to fit it into April, especially if you want an ARC.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: EUOL on August 21, 2006, 12:52:13 AM
Ookla,

It was Moshe.  He was swamped this summer, and so I didn't get the revisions back until a little bit ago.  Still, we did galleys for ELANTRIS in November and had the book in April, so I think it's possible.  Just depends on how the schedule looks.  But, Stacer is right--it's getting close to the line for a book this big.  

K_B,
I wasn't down on you!  Just trying to make certain everyone has a good experience here.  Thanks for your accommodating attitude.  
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 21, 2006, 02:09:01 AM
Yay everyone is happy again!

But I'm not gonna try to understand what all it takes to get a book out and published by a certain time. Cause I'm sure there is so much work that has to be done. I just wish it was a bit easier so that we could all dive into the pages of the next book. Haha but take your time by all means EUOL, I'd rather wait for a quality book anyways. And yeah K_B...haha I forgive you. I did beat you in a duel anyways, so no worries.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Kuntrey_Pilgrum on August 21, 2006, 09:58:31 PM
GRRRRRRRRRR! ;D ;D I'm happy we all feel that way. ;D
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Ruthie on August 22, 2006, 10:12:11 AM
Summer Glau as Vin, I'm telling you. Anybody write screenplays?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Skar on August 22, 2006, 11:38:25 AM
Perfect casting choice.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 22, 2006, 12:12:10 PM
I don't know why but I keep picturing Kel as Owen Wilson.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Skar on August 22, 2006, 12:37:15 PM
BAD Spriggan!  No treat for you.  BAD!

*retch
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Shrain on August 22, 2006, 01:26:50 PM
I'll second that. *gag*

As for Summer Glau as Vin, I've thought that too, though it may be hard for her to play the young Vin (at 16).

Anyway, without a doubt, the Mistborn trilogy would be stunning on the silver screen--if it's in the right hands with the right cast.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 22, 2006, 01:55:30 PM
Ohhh...and how about Sean Connery, (The older version not new), for Breeze! And Jude Law for Engram (Sp?), oh oh...and Lurch from the Adam's Family, for...yep you guessed it! Sazed!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 22, 2006, 02:02:33 PM
Naa, Breeze is the guy who played the Sicilian in Princess Bride.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Faster Master St. Pastor on August 23, 2006, 09:39:59 AM
No, just no. That guy is far to annoying to fit what I thought of for Breeze, regardless of him being annoying because of his Soothing/not Soothing moments.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Kogarashi on August 23, 2006, 04:42:09 PM
(Mister M moonlighting under his wife's account until he can be bothered to reset his password)

So I just finished Mistborn about a day ago, and I figure it's time to jump on the comment-posting bandwagon.

First off, very good book, Brandon. It gave me some good adrenaline rushes, and some of the description is beautiful. Good work, and I eargerly await the sequel.

Now, some negative reactions, for whatever they're worth:

- Marsh's becoming an Inquisitor is a beautiful plot twist, but it didn't quite sit well with me for a few reasons. Foremost among them were (1) why did the Inquisitors "induct" him after so short a time in their ranks? He was barely out of acolytehood, after all; (2) why didn't Kelsier and Vin notice the multiple bodies used to create Marsh-the-Inquisitor? Vin pointed out the excess blood, but I would expect there to be an extra hand or something lying around, too; (3) and why did the Inquisitors basically "jump" Marsh to induct him? His note indicates no idea about it coming (likely the real reason he was going to have an hour alone, I know), but forcefully turning people into Inquisitors seems like a poor way to keep morale up. (I realize you probably have answers for these questions; I just didn't see them in the text.)

-Vin's victory seemed too easy. Yes, she had to struggle and almost failed, but as soon as the Lord Ruler's bracers came off, he suddenly lost all Allomantic ability. I might have missed something, but shouldn't he have still been able to ironpull the bracers back to him, youth or no youth?

*thinks* Actually, those are my only two big beefs with the story. They're just so critical to the resolution that they nag me. Most everything else was nice, and I especially liked Vin's story arc. I felt from early on that the story was actually about her, and it shows in how much screentime and depth she gets.

On a completely different note, I'm seeing a common thread among Sanderson protagonists. Kellsier reminded me very much of Raoden, and and even moreso of Topaz (a character from Dragonsteel, one of the two unpublished manuscripts I was able to read). They all have extreme optimism/humor, and they're all builders of societies (if that makes any sense). Those of you with more Sanderon novels under your belts can tell me if I'm seeing a true trend here, or just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Lost One on August 23, 2006, 11:53:46 PM
Quote
On a completely different note, I'm seeing a common thread among Sanderson protagonists. Kellsier reminded me very much of Raoden, and and even moreso of Topaz (a character from Dragonsteel, one of the two unpublished manuscripts I was able to read). They all have extreme optimism/humor, and they're all builders of societies (if that makes any sense). Those of you with more Sanderon novels under your belts can tell me if I'm seeing a true trend here, or just a coincidence.


I've notice the trend too. Kellsier did remind of Topaz from Dragonsteel. However, I've notice that many authors have characters with identical characterists running throughout their novels. This is mainly because it is very difficult for even good authors to create new character traits for every character in every novel without alienating the reader. I personally find it annoying when an author creates a character solely to be original but that I can't relate to.

The Topaz/Kellsier character is a bit generic. Raoden is similar to the Topaz/Kellsier but seem to me to be a little more of the classical "good guy," lacking the stereotypical "nobel rogue" that is the Topaz/Kellsier character.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 24, 2006, 12:49:31 AM
Topaz is the all encompassing "Brandon Character", its the character Brandon developed back in Junior high and always uses when he can.  Raioden and Kel are modified versions of this character, and you'll see lots of other characters like them because EUOL likes writing this personality type because he shares a lot of traits with it.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 24, 2006, 01:10:13 PM
Huh, I don't know. I didn't find Kelsier much like Topaz--I mean, their superficial personalities are similar, but their motivations and deep-seated psyche seem to be quite different. And Kelsier did all kinds of things Raoden would never have done. Raoden was not a killer. I think Elend shares more similaries with Raoden, though more naive and not nearly as diplomatically practiced. I do think all of them have bits of Brandon's own personality.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Lost One on August 24, 2006, 01:30:51 PM
Ookla, motivation do change according to scenario. I'm guessing that Topaz and Kell would have the same motivation and deep-psyche if they were in the same book.

I agree that Raoden is not a killer and that why I consider Raoden a slightly different character but still has similar personality traites to Topaz/Kellsier.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 24, 2006, 03:16:54 PM
But Topaz isn't a killer either. ;) Even more than Raoden, he's by nature the total opposite...if you know what I mean. But the magical systems they are so strongly rooted in don't cross over, and those make up a huge part of their character. If you say they would act the same way if they had the same background and circumstances, that's like saying they'd act that way if they were a totally different character, and I think that doesn't help the argument.

I see some similarities, but not enough to call them variations of the same character.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: CorruptedTerrisman on August 24, 2006, 03:36:45 PM
Raoden...Topaz? Haha I'm lost. I'm obviously out of the loop, but I'm curious...what books are these characters from? I'm interested in picking up any other books that our EUOL has written besides Elantris and Mistborn!!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 24, 2006, 03:48:26 PM
Raoden is kind of a main character in Elantris. And if you read the previous posts, you will see that Topaz is a character from Dragonsteel, an unpublished manuscript of EUOL's.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Skar on August 24, 2006, 05:34:30 PM
Quote
If you say they would act the same way if they had the same background and circumstances, that's like saying they'd act that way if they were a totally different character, and I think that doesn't help the argument.

I see some similarities, but not enough to call them variations of the same character.


I see what you mean Ookla, but I have to at least partially disagree.  It's the old nature vs nurture debate.  I think that if the root psyche that was Topaz or Raoden had been born into Kelsier's lot in life they may have turned out very much like Kelsier and vice-versa.

We are not totally molded by our environments and neither are these characters.  I noticed the same thing between Brandon's books, they always include a really optimistic never say die character.  And I see a lot of that in Brandon.
I think it's an important strength of his writing that these characters who are so similar at their cores are so powerfully and believably molded by their histories into such unique personalities.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Linternet on August 24, 2006, 05:51:02 PM
Raoden and Kelsier share charisma and a "can do" attitude.  That's where I feel the similarities stop.

** ELANTRIS SPOILERS BELOW ***

Kelsier struck me as a weaker person than Raoden (From a mental standpoint - nothing to do with the relative powers of each) Aside from Kelsier's dark side, which I don't think is in Raoden's makeup,  I got the impression that Kelsier was defined by his powers; he lived for revenge and snapping into the powers of a Mistborn empowered him to get it.   Raoden went from Prince, to little more than an animal, to a near god, and remained Raoden.  The tools at his disposal changed but the same person, driven by a desire to make everything around him better, remained.  Had Kelsier not snapped into Allomancy (and, by some other miracle, escaped the Pits) I think his wife's death would have broken him.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 24, 2006, 07:02:21 PM
ELANTRIS AND MISTBORN SPOILERS

I disagree that Raoden is a stronger person than Kelsier. I don't think that Raoden was tested as strongly as Kelsier was. True, Raoden lost his lifestyle, and the comfort of being a prince when he became an Elantrian. True, he also nearly became a Hoed. Kelsier was tortured by the Lord Ruler, tortured by the fact that he was torn between love for his wife and his nagging suspicion that she might have betrayed him (to say nothing of the fact that she was executed, I believe with him being forced to watch), forced to work to support his worst enemy, and so on. Also, his solution to all of this meant that he would very likely be forced to sacrifice himself for others. And, throughout it all, he maintained his sense of humor. Even when he showed signs of being concerned, at least part of it was concern for how things would work out for everyone else once he was gone. Raoden was a good character, but, in my opinion, nowhere near Kelsier.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Linternet on August 28, 2006, 02:32:54 PM
ELANTRIS SPOILERS

Kelsier is a lot easier (at least for me) to relate to than Raoden and his reaction to his circumstances seemed more plausible but I think they were at least equally tested.

Torture, slavery, and witnessing the murder of your spouse does seem a bit more traumatic than simply being thrown into a ghetto.  However, dealing with injuries that do not diminish and starvation past the point that a normal man would have died proves the equalizer in my view.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Kuntrey_Pilgrum on August 28, 2006, 07:54:42 PM
I believe that, by the sheer amount of testing Kelsier goes through, even if it does give him only one reason to live, that he is a stronger character. Of course, he never dealt with rebuilding an entire civilization of zombie-ish people who were in eternal torment... ???
I think that, really, it just depends on the reader. Those that see better into Raodens conflicts will, I believe, sympathize with him, or vise-versa. Lets ask EUOL
who HE thinks is stronger.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: EUOL on August 28, 2006, 08:27:42 PM
Wow.  That's a tough question.  Here's how I view the two characters:

Raoden is a person much like myself, a simple optimist who really hasn't had to be tested in a lot of areas.  He's thrown into a terrible situation, and comes out with his optimism strained, but unbroken.

Kelsier is a man of passion.  Unlike Raoden, who is even-minded and steady no matter what happens to him, Kelsier is a man pushed by a rage inside of him that he rarely shows.  In later books, Vin talks a lot about the harsh danger she saw in him.  I wouldn't call Kelsier an optimist in the same way as Raoden.  Kelsier is determined.  

You all make very good points on both sides.  Asking me to choose which was stronger, however, is like asking a father to choose between his children.  I will say, however, that I don't think the two of them would have gotten along very well.  Kelsier would have been to flippant for Raoden, while Raoden would have seemed holier-than-thou to Kelsier.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on August 28, 2006, 08:37:07 PM
It's awesome that people can pull different things from the same characters in the same stories.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on August 28, 2006, 08:38:45 PM
Quote
It's awesome that people can pull different things from the same characters in the same stories.


Ya it's how religious wars are started.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on August 28, 2006, 08:41:18 PM
And religious wars are where Ninja Monkey Assassin Priests excel!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on August 28, 2006, 10:12:37 PM
Quote
I don't think the two of them would have gotten along very well.  Kelsier would have been too flippant for Raoden, while Raoden would have seemed holier-than-thou to Kelsier.

Fight! Fight!
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Swiggly on August 29, 2006, 03:48:33 AM
This book was awesome, I read it a while back, as soon as it came back, and then I read it again, and again, and again. The political intrigue! The magic system! Oh the drama!.

Now, I wish I lived in Utah.

Why oh why must I be stranded in the middle of the pacific ocean? :'(

I have to say. Kelsier was a shock. I never expected that to happen.

And here I was, confident that nothing could be better than Elantris. You've outdone yourself. I cannot wait until the second book comes out. Words cannot express how terribly agonizing the wait will be, for one such as I in such an excruciating illness. I cannot stop.

Books are my terrible terrible weakness.

How did you like Hawaii? I find it quite horrible. After you've lived here for eight years, it gets quite dull and austre.

That just reminded me. Warbreaker is awesome too. Odd magic system in the Idris royalty, but intriguing nonetheless.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: PixelFish on August 29, 2006, 04:35:02 AM
Surprises for me:

+ Kelsier dying. Did not expect that.

+ I was pretty certain our Lord Ruler wasn't the same guy in the book about halfway through. Why I didn't twig straight to Rashek, I have no clue.

Various speculations:

+ I kept expecting somebody from within the group to betray the group, Breeze being my first pick. That it never happened, quite pleased me. (I don't count Yadon's (?) ill-advised battle as betrayal so much as sheer stupidity.)



A plus job on the magic system....I found it entertaining, and I kept speculating on various potential uses.



Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Ruthie on August 29, 2006, 11:16:13 AM
I got the impression that Kelsier kept a positive, funny attitude throughout the book not so much because he was an optimist as he was hiding his rage behind humor.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: EUOL on August 29, 2006, 12:27:34 PM
Ruthie,

You've got it exactly.


Swiggly,

I liked Hawaii as a place to visit, but I knew--even while I was there--that I would feel like you do if I stayed there too long.  I like being able to get to conventions and to visit friends without having to fly five hours before even getting to the mainland.

I did, however, leave some signed copies of my books in your state.  It was at a Borders bookstore, on Kawaii, I believe...

As for the books, I appreciate your enthusiasm.  I'm sorry you have to wait so long, but at least it won't be as bad as waiting for Rowling or Martin to finish a book.  Mine will be out next year, I promise.  

(And, the Idris magic system is connected to the rest of WARBREAKER in a way you may not be expecting.  Watch for clues.)

PixelFish,
Quote

+ I kept expecting somebody from within the group to betray the group, Breeze being my first pick. That it never happened, quite pleased me. (I don't count Yadon's (?) ill-advised battle as betrayal so much as sheer stupidity.)


That's exactly why I didn't have a betrayal.  I wanted, through the form of the book, to prove to Vin the very things that Kelsier was teaching.  Sometimes, there ISN'T a traitor.  He really did collect a sound crew of trustworthy men.  I'm glad you appreciated this.

For Book Two, however, all bets are off....
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on August 29, 2006, 04:04:00 PM
Quote
I got the impression that Kelsier kept a positive, funny attitude throughout the book not so much because he was an optimist as he was hiding his rage behind humor.


That doesn't make it any less impressive, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Shrain on August 29, 2006, 05:58:27 PM
Me neither. But I don't think that Ruthie's observation was a criticism in any way, just a spot on analysis. ;) Though I wouldn't say he was hiding his rage behind his optimism but, rather, fueling his optimism *with* that intense anger. I greatly enjoyed that Kell has a darkly complex motivation for his optimism. I mean, he had this "never-say-die" optimism even when he died! Who can beat that, I ask you?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Rocnerd on August 30, 2006, 02:03:48 PM
Hey all.  
I just registered because I wanted to say that I really enjoyed Mistborn.  I finished it the other day, too soon since the Hurricane that wasn't kept me inside all day yesterday and me with nothing to read.  Anyway, great story, loved the allomancy, didn't see Kelsier dying, had a hunch about Marsh though.  I am looking forward to the Ascension book.  

I read Elantris last year some time and when I recognized your name on Mistborn just grabbed it.  Elantris was good, but this (for me) was far better.  Thanks for the good read.  
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Ledgem on October 15, 2006, 01:48:56 AM
I don't know why I didn't think rashek was the lord ruler for some reason... Once read the journal entries I thought the the "hero" became tainted by "the deepness" and it really wasn't him who was acting evil as the lord ruler but he was being controled. I also thought that when vin met the vile overlord he would show some kind of train of goodness or something since I was thinking he was tainted. I was pleasently suprised ^_^

The magic system is great, Ive still been trying to think of my own, but it still sounds too generic... Burning metals is such a cool thing, though I would find it odd to EAT metal... unless those beads of atium were a soft metal... arg...

Someone said a few things about the land being forzen due to the ash, but the sun is really big and red, wouldn't that imply that it's a LOT worse then our normal sun? The hint at the sun being closer makes it sound like the lord ruler managed to pull the sun closer. One Idea I have too is that the mist is the deepness but made so it doesn't "consume everything" like what I thought was implied by it being so evil and all.

I liked Kell... I'll miss him... when reading the first character he reminded me of was Toshi Umawaza from the Magic: the gathering Kamigawa cycle (which,for a wizards of the coast book, was pretty good). I like that sort of hero... Not so much an anti-hero as Toshi but still a similar attitude.

I can't wait for the sequal... Halfway through reading I was so exited on how good it was that I was fearing the end. It takes a REALLY good book for me to spend free time at home entirely for several days reading. Im so glad theres a sequal, if there wasn't I'd be annoyed that such a good book was over and I would have to search for a new one (which so far has taken me FAR too long to do, months to years between good can't-put-down books). Thankfully I have Elantris to read next time I go to chapters, but the wait for book two will still be hard as hell.

One question EUOL, Ive been thinking of becoming a writer (so many Ideas I need to put in some form besides memory) but everytime I want to write, it's like I don't actually want to do the writting part... Even when I do I seem to not continue it due to not "feeling" like writting... Also, when I think of how you and other authors write the all those things so perfectly I feel like I could never put things in ways that would make sense like that... Of course im only 16 and never attempted to write anything big ever before, I still think I SHOULD be able to do these things or I could never become a writter at all... Hope this doesn't sound annoying...
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Archon on October 15, 2006, 06:34:38 AM
A big red sun doesn't necessarily mean that it's closer. Big red stars are generally older stars, that have used up their hydrogen.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Spriggan on October 15, 2006, 06:41:54 PM
Also ash will make a yellow sun appear red.
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Glacialis on October 25, 2006, 12:44:57 PM
As a former astrophysics major:

Y'know, stars start out by burning hydrogen. That's nice and clean. Eventually, they start to burn other things. Metals. Yes, stars burn metals.

I wonder. Hmm...

Can post details on effects of metal on main sequence stars, and the order in which we believe stars burn those metals. In fact, here. Effects you can google on your own ;) but this is a nice list of what stars do in nucleosynthesis.

Hydrogen starts it off. After that it can synthesize Helium, Carbon, Oxygen, Neon, Magnesium, Silicon, Sulfur, Argon, Calcium, Titanium, Chromium, and Iron.

A star the size of ours can hit carbon. Heavier stars are required to heat, compress and thus synthesize the heavier elements.

Iron is not compressible. When a star's core runs out everything but iron, there's no more fusion. No more energy pushing outwards and countering gravity. Gravity takes over, and either wins (singularity) or gets 'splodied by the star's matter expanding outwards like it was all part of some gigantic, insanely tight spring (supernova).

Even heavier elements, like gold, are made when stars go boom. The force of the 'splody-ing can create all sorts of atoms.

</astro-tangent>

So. Wonder if the condition of the sun is linked to allomancy and/or the rise of the Lord Ruler?
Title: Re: Mistborn reactions - SPOILERS
Post by: Peter Ahlstrom on October 25, 2006, 05:08:19 PM
Book 3.  :-X