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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Fellfrosch on October 11, 2006, 04:52:05 PM
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I didn't want to get sucked into this show, but it's pretty good and I find myself getting caught up in it. The characters are interesting (except for Ali Larter's single Mom), and the story is pretty cool and well-written. The Japanese guy completely runs away with the show, and I admire them for having the guts to run all of his segments entirely in Japanese with subtitles.
The thing that got me really hooked, though, were the endings. I missed the first episode and only saw portions of the second, but then at the end we watched a huge nuclear explosion destroy New York, and we learned (thanks to some time travel shenanigans) that they have three or four weeks to stop it. Very unexpected, very ambitious, and very cool. The third episode ending was possibly even better, as the cheerleader with super Wolverine regeneration powers was assumed dead, and woke up during her own open-chest autopsy. The show has guts, I'll give them that. I'm very interested to see where it goes.
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I've been enjoying the show as well. I've noticed that since Lost (maybe before, but I've mostly noticed since Lost), that shows are trying to incorporate more plot lines that are mysterious: Jericho, Heroes, Six Degrees, and I'm sure more. I was even watching a new comedy that introduced a mysterious element.
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Hooray. This show is fun and interesting and full of strange "whats gonna happen next?" moments.
It also reminds me, to a degree, of my friend who is always running a game of something.
I can't wait to see where it heads.
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I'm liking this show. I do agree that the Japannese guy, Hiro, is the best character so far. Some of the other characters have promise if they become more multi-faceted.
It does seem like this is going to be a cliff-hanger show. You can tell that they are deliberately holding back stuff to build tension.
Of the new shows this season, this is the show that has caught my attention. I watched the pilots for some of the other show, most of them haven't caught my interest.
I'm just glad shows like "Lost" are replacing reality TV.
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I'm really liking it. My favourite characters are the cop and the single mom, so far. Normal people with scary powers. Though Hiro is pure comedy gold, of course.
Is the black chick in NYC the same lass who played Zoe from Firefly?
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Is the black chick in NYC the same lass who played Zoe from Firefly?
No, I'm certain she isn't.
I'm enjoying the show, too.
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I know that ABC shows old episodes of Lost, and I looked on NBC to see if they do this as well, but they only show the most recent episode. How can I (legally!) watch old episodes of Hero?
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Hero repeats on both Sci-fi and USA networks. Also I think NBC is putting some episodes up on their website for free (with commercials).
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They had been replaying them on Saturday nights. Not sure if they're still doing it.
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Episodes 2 & 3 are available for purchase on iTunes.  (Episode 1 is not, although it may still be available for free from iTunes if you can find one of the elusive promo cards with an unused PIN.)
I have all the episodes on Tivo, and with TivoToGo I can burn them to DVD.
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This guy's good.
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Zoe from Firefly is currently on the Fox show Standoff, playing some kind of FBI administrator.
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That was kind of a random jump.
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Random? Not entirely. Huge leap, probably.
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Don't mess with me.
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Last night's episode was a little weaker than the last two--it seemed like not very much happened overall. Still, it had some very cool moments, and two good cliffhangers at the end instead of one awesome one; that's probably a fair trade.
Though I've decided to stop watching the previews for the next episode--they give way too much away. Last week they actually showed one of this week's cliffhangers as a preview, which is all kinds of dumb, and this week they showed way too much of next week's show.
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I liked last night's episode. There was a lot of just moving people around and trying to get character's in the right position for next week.
Revealing that Peter's power is really that he can mimic the powers of others caught me off gaurd. I guess I just wasn't paying that close attention before.
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I don't see the previews, which is probably for the best.
I liked Claire driving the car into the wall. That was a satisfying end to that little storyline (though I hope they spend more time on the repercussions, unlike the autopsy which sort of resolved itself with a hint of anti-climax).
Niki's alter ego (referred to as 'Inik' at a recap site I read) was surprisingly low-key. Not sure what I expected though. No physical changes that I could see, though the tattoo wasn't visible when she was lying in the bed.
Nathan Petrelli: a bigger dick than superman.
More analysis later!
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I was thinking how interesting it would be if it was really 'Inik' who killed those people (the ones in the desert with the skull ring), instead of her husband. And maybe he knows about her alter-ego, and loves her, which is why he's on the run, instead of revealing that it was really her who did it.
Just a thought. Cause I'm a hopeless romantic.
Remember when Inik said 'our son'? I thought that was interesting. Was she referring to Niki, or....Niki's husband?
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What really has me curious about Niki and Nathan is when the two bad guys showed up and said "just take the one." I have a few theories about that:
1. When Niki is in her own form, not DoppleNiki, she doesn't "register" as a super so they didn't know. But in that case, it would hardly make sense to say "just take the one."
2. The tattoo on her back means that she may possibly have come from the bad guys already--she either worked for them, or was created by them, or imprisoned by them, or something, so they didn't need her back.
3. Nathan is working with the bad guys already, which explains why he is so reticent to discuss his powers at all.
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I feel like this is being dragged out and prolonged more than it needs to be. However, I understand that with the somewhat large ensemble cast it's going to take a while to get much in the way of plot.
I am enjoying how each of the characters' stories are coming together.
Peter gets a scar? Oh noes! Hiro has learned English? and has a sword? and no longer wears his glasses? What in the world has happened to the future that Isaac and Hiro had seen?
Also, the guy who is playing Peter's character looks really really dumb in that last scene. To the point that I am disliking him. I just want to punch him in the mouth and make him explode or something.
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The actor playing Peter needs to portray him with more inner strength to make him more likeable. He seems kind of weak so far.
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Watch him in that last scene from the latest episode. He contorts his face in such a manner that it disgusts me and makes me want to do harmful things to him.
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I like him, if only because he's one of the few "nice guys" in the ensemble. The other one being Hiro, of course, who's the coolest character in the show.
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I agree with Fell. Originally I liked Nathan, too, but that thing with Niki...uncool.
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I really doubt that Isaac needs to use drugs to see the future. I think he could do it without, but uses them as a crutch. I hope he figures this out soon (if I'm right).
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I really doubt that Isaac needs to use drugs to see the future. I think he could do it without, but uses them as a crutch. I hope he figures this out soon (if I'm right).
I actually was thinking about this right after this week's show. What if Peter got around Isaac and tried to see the future, and it knocked him out our caused him pain or something? It could show that seeing the future is too much for the human mind. I think it'd be more interesting if Isaac's heroin use is actually a shield against his power, so he can use it without seriously harming himself.
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That's an intriguing thought. Or maybe seeing the future is too confusing to interpret (kind of like seeing the present on heroin) so seeing the future on heroin reverses things and allows you to see it normally.
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Peter actually drew the future after visiting Issac, but I can't remember what he drew. It was a pencil drawing of some sort I think?
And I suspect Issac's relationship with heroin is complicated and will dog the cast for some time to come, along with Niki/Nathans mob connections and the growing list of crimes commited by the characters.
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Wow, much better episode than last week. I missed the very beginning, though--how did Nathan end up flying? Did we see him escape from "some guys trying to shove me into a van," or is his brief reference to it later the only explanation?
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Claire's dad and the black guy (who messed with the police officer) were taking him through a parking lot, a gun pointed to his head. He got away and ran, trying to escape, but they cornered him. Claire's dad said to the black guy, "Take it all" and Nathan shoots up into the air like a rocket. It was cool.
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Awesome--I was hoping that's what happened, if only because it shows fallibility in the bad guys, who have thus far been completely untouchable. Interesting that in this episode we saw the bad guy be both fallible (Nathan escaped) and kind (giving a second chance to the kid who raped his daughter).
I really hope that the payoff to the cop passing out is more interesting than "now my wife hates me again." I'm sick of his life being bad, and especially of his wife being a witch, so something good (or at least something new) had better happen to him dang soon.
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Was that really kindness? Wiping the kid's mind? I mean, he said it like he was being kind, but isn't that the best way to murder someone to get rid of evidence--a murder where the body is still alive?
We got an antenna for our TV. Episodes 2-4 were on Sunday night, so I downloaded the first episode and we watched it (turned out to be the pilot instead of the first episode though--there were a couple things we had to assume were different from the version that finally aired, since 1. Isaac cut his own hand off to get out of handcuffs and paint stuff. This didn't seem to have happened in episode two, and 2. Niki's son stole $300 from his babysitter's purse and got on a bus, presumably to go meet his dad. This must have been cut as well), then watched the marathon.  And boy is it fun to watch.
I liked that Claire went to apologize. Her trying to kill him by crashing the car really put her in a bad light. Of course, she's a messed up kid anyway.
When Nathan flies, he flies DANG FAST. I am pretty sure he broke the sound barrier. Of course, going that fast wearing only pajama bottoms, they should have been whipped off by the wind, but oh well.
There are things I just let slide to enjoy this series, because it's a superhero show and...it's just cool. The whole genetics thing? Old excuse that's bogus. Isaac's home address and phone number printed in the back of his comic book? No way. And Future-Hiro's accent while speaking English is far too good to be a progression of Current-Hiro's English skills. It's nigh impossible to get an accent that native-sounding as an adult. (Hiro's buddy's English has a very authentic Japanese accent though.)
Oh, and I hate the voiceovers. And don't like the hype. The tagline "SAVE THE CHEERLEADER, SAVE THE WORLD" is just dumb. It's okay in the show, but the way they're hyping it is lame. Oh well, I guess NBC feels they have to do something to promote it, since they're spending 2.6 million dollars per episode.
Anyway...our TV reception is pretty dang terrible. We're going to try to get a better aerial, but until then...is the black guy who wipes memories the same person as Niki's husband?
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Was that really kindness? Wiping the kid's mind? I mean, he said it like he was being kind, but isn't that the best way to murder someone to get rid of evidence--a murder where the body is still alive?
If the kid is going to have severe amnesia for the rest of his life, if might have been more merciful to kill him.
I liked that Claire went to apologize. Her trying to kill him by crashing the car really put her in a bad light. Of course, she's a messed up kid anyway.
I agree that they had to have Claire do something to not make her look like a murderer. I thought it was cool watching her crash the Quarterback's car, but it was also disturbing. It was a good scene that caused conflicting emotion.
When Nathan flies, he flies DANG FAST. I am pretty sure he broke the sound barrier. Of course, going that fast wearing only pajama bottoms, they should have been whipped off by the wind, but oh well.
I thought the same thing, but I'm glad they chose not to be that realistic.
Anyway...our TV reception is pretty dang terrible. We're going to try to get a better aerial, but until then...is the black guy who wipes memories the same person as Niki's husband?
They're not the same person. There are two different actors listed for them on IMDB. They do look similar, and you don't get to see either of them on screen for very long.
I'm also hoping that the Policeman's marriage problem work out. I seems like a trivial part of the story, but they've set up Matt's wife to be a great Lois Lane type character. The two can have problems, but they can't just have them seperate or have affairs or something stupid like that.
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Anyway...our TV reception is pretty dang terrible.
When I miss an episode, I watch it online (nbc.com). They just have the most recent episode, but at least it's better than a fuzzy picture.
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I'm all for watching online. Will have to check it out. (Not going to risk bittorrent again, since I already got spooked when someone contacted the cable company about me downloading SG-1.)
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I do consider the mind-wipe to be a kindness, at least compared to what I was expecting him to do. He may never remember his first 16 or 17 years of life, but I wouldn't want to remember a life as a serial rapist anyway. My guess is that Claire's explanation ("you did some really bad things and I was mad at you") scares him enough that he decides to be a good person.
That, or the mind wipe destroyed his superego leaving him as an unchecked id who's worse than before.
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I definitely feel the show is picking up some steam now. And I find myself being more and more forgiving as the plots twists get more interesting. Yeah, the genetics thing is a pretty ridiculous way to explain away a guy who can bend space and time. But they're using it well in the show, so I can totally let it slide.
Also, I know some of you don't watch the "next week on Heroes" thing because of the spoilers, but I have to say: I was excited to see that Nikki's alter-ego is actually going to be a "super-power" instead of just some split-personality mental illness.
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So as lame as the tagline is ("Save the cheerleader, save the world") I'm intrigued by why she's so important. My present guess is this:
Sylar is a scary supervillain who steals people's powers by stealing their brains. In the near future he steals Claire's brain and becomes unstoppable, leading to the nuclear blast in New York and the weird dystopian future that Samurai Hiro seems to come from. The future heroes decided that the only way to beat him was to go back in time and tell their past selves to save Claire, thus keeping Sylar defeatable.
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I kind of thought that, too, except that we've already seen Sylar exhibit Claire's power. The cop shot him in the chest 5 or 6 times, and he just got up and walked away.
However, the painting did show Claire with her brain cut out, like some of Sylar's previous victims, so I'm still on the fence.
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He might have survived the bullet attacks through some other means. I'm actually not convinced that he exhibits multiple powers, since everything he's done so far can be explained through telekinesis, but that brain-stealing thing really has me curious. Power-stealing seems like the most obvious explanation.
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We were talking about the same thing last night re: Sylar's powers, but I hadn't made the Claire connection like that. I was wondering if maybe her dad would make the jump to true evil if his daughter got killed, since he does seem to care for her as more than just a test subject.
And we were talking about Niki too--does she get super strong when she's her evil twin? Because she's done some pretty brutal stuff--or is she just really skilled and taking everyone by surprise?
[EDIT: Has anyone checked out the graphic novel on the nbc website? I dunno how canon it is. Some of it doesn't seem to jive. But the 5th part of it totally gives away DL's power.]
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I can believe that Niki beat up the guy in the elevator through taking him by surprise, but the two thugs in her garage are a different story--they were armed and ready for trouble, and there were two of them, yet she tore them apart without taking (so far as we know) even a scratch on her own body. That suggests a lot of skill and strength.
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Like I said, the "next week on Heroes" thing for this week showed Nikki (or evil-Nikki) exhibiting some *very* super-powery type stuff.
Also, shouldn't we be questioning if Claire's dad's buddy even is Sylar? I mean, sure he's creepy, but we haven't seen him give even the slightest hint of brain-eating. If he isn't Sylar, and Sylar gets Claire in the "bad" future, then that would explain... well shoot, nothing really. But it's something I hadn't thought of.
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Claires dad is a faction independant from Syler is my feeling atm. And I think Syler just has TK - we have seen him pin people up with household objects (TK), force someone to put their gun to their own head (moving the arm via TK) and survive being shot at (we never actually saw him being hit, so that could be anything or just a 'shield' of TK). Finally we saw him jumping up really fast and he somehow made it into the FBI basement. I'm not sure on the last two, but everything else i'm happy to attritube to TK.
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What about the frozen guy? I can see Sylar having just TK, but the frozen guy makes me think that he has multiple powers.
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Apprently the guy who plays Hiro is a big time Special Effects programmer for ILM and would love to bring all his co-workers in for an episode (read lots of special effects).
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,71984-0.html?tw=rss.technology
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If you can use TK on individual atoms, you could stop them moving, causing a temperature drop, and then ice would form from condensation from the surrounding atmosphere.
But that would be dang powerful TK.
[EDIT: Cool Wired article. He really does steal every scene he's in.]
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Dangit, I always forget about the ice. Well, um, I'm with Ookla on this one--it's molecular TK.
And yes, I think that Sylar is different from Claire's dad and the psychic bald guy.
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I was thinking that Sylar could be Nikki's husband, but this last episode placed a lot of doubts on that front.
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I'm not sure I liked this episode, possibly because it focused so heavily on Niki and I don't really like her. Her powers still don't seem like powers, just being crazy, and nothing happened with anybody else. At least we finally confirmed that Mohinder's neighbor is a double agent--several people have suspected it for a while, but I never saw any credence to it until they came right out and said it.
On the other hand, I'm liking Claire's father more and more. He's a very cool, very complex character.
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We did see Nikki's alternate self toss DL across the room. So the theory that Nikki's alternate has super-strength is starting to gain some substance.
I actually like Nikki's character. She's not my favorite character by far, but I like her more than either of the Petrelis. I used to find the character of Isaac to be interesting, but he's turning out to be sort of a whiny jerk.
Nikki's husband intrigues me, but doesn't engage me yet.
I'm was miffed that they never showed what happened to the Cop when he passed out in the convenience store. I hate it when cliff-hangers keep hanging around.
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Karen brought up this question--how come Other-Niki doesn't just take over all the time?
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If Nikki has multiple personality disorder (now officially known as disassociative identity disorder), neither one of her persona's gets to take over. The personalities just come and go. A therapist could actually control the change in personalies momentarily, but he/she is likely to create other personalities in the process. Which would be cool if Nikki developed other personalities that each had their own unique super-power.
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I had a sort-of epiphany last night, and I'm curious to see if I end up being right.
I don't think Claire's dad is the real "bad guy" in this season. He may be later, but this season is all about saving Claire and stopping the nuke in NY. Last night made me believe that he really does care about Claire, and is NOT the one the heroes need to stop from hurting her.
So who, besides Sylar, is going to end up being one of the villians? How about a homicidal maniac whose motivations, just this last episode, were definitely shown to be less than rational? That's right, Nikki. I think Nikki is going to start giving in more and more to her psychotic (and supernaturally strong) alter-ego.
I'm convinced Nikki isn't Sylar, so that still leaves one thread hanging. But I wouldn't be surprised if they came together and joined up sometime this season.
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I was thinking the same thing the other night. It could make for a great twist if it turns out to be Nikki's super-powered, sociopathic side that is really the main villain.
I really want Matt and Nikki to meet up. I little mind scan could uncover some stuff.
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(Paul) Sylar is being played by Sean Bean. So that answers that question. And apparently the trend of 'British actor = villain' continues.
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Well, because of that I *finally* looked up Heroes on IMDB. I could've sworn when we got a shadowed look at Sylar it was a black guy. Oh well. I'd feel sorry for Sean Bean playing yet another bad guy, but he's just so good at it.
Also, I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but Claire's dad hasn't officially been given a name. At least now I know why I could never remember his name and kept having to call him Claire's dad.
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I tried to convince Ent that Niki was going to be a major villain, and he shut me down with that same imdb entry. That kind of thing is hard to argue with.
Between the two of us we came up with the following theory, however: this is apparently the Claire season, in which we try to save her, and watch her gain some maturity, and (we assume) ultimately find out who her real parents are. If that is the case, and if Sylar is really the bad guy of the season, then it follows with irrefutable narrative logic that Sylar must be her father.
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(Paul) Sylar is being played by Sean Bean.
Really? Oh, HORRAY!!!
I love Sean. :-*
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You two are on a first name basis now?
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I tried to convince Ent that Niki was going to be a major villain, and he shut me down with that same imdb entry. That kind of thing is hard to argue with.
Apparently I'm missing something. Where in the entry does it say, "Niki is not now, and will never be, a villian?"
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I don't know if we know enough to speculate about Niki. I'm still baffled as to why Inik hates DL enough to screw him over. Fell makes the case that Inik is working for glasses man, on account of the tattoo. Really my main question is, 'why leave the $2mil sitting around all this time?' Her motivations elude me.
Slyar and his relationship with glasses man are also important - did Pixie have Slyars apartment cleaned out? If so, why is glasses man protecting Slyar?
I think that Glasses man is the key, and until we know what he's up to and with who any speculation is just shots in the dark. He seems to be trying to get Claire to admit her powers to him, possibly so he can experiment on her without doing it against her will. An interesting mix of being the bad guy and being a father, I feel.
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I completely saw the entire Micah twist coming. Why does nearly every team have to have a boy-genius?
Also, I like Nathan's wife, but she makes me hate Nathan even more.
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All the others characters haven't discovered their abilities until they're adults (like Niki doesn't recognize the existence of Jessica until the last 6 months, although we know she was around from when DL was framed...still that wasn't all that long ago). Why are Micah and Claire different? Why does they have it as kids (Micah being the youngest)? Any thoughts?
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1. DL was framed six months ago, right around when Niki first realized something was wrong. It's possible that the robbery and the frame-up were the first things Jessica ever did. By the way: have we ever heard that name before? It seemed to come out of nowhere.
2. I suspect that the powers don't show up at a certain age, just that everyone is starting to manifest powers at about the same time.
3. We've seen Micah coming for a while, but it was still a neat reveal. I especially like how he's so...nonchalant about the fact that he and his parents all have superpowers. Cooly asking Jessica to put his mom on the phone showed a lot about him.
4. Nuclear man was great--the way they revealed it piece by piece, as you slowly figured out that there was a guy with nuclear powers, and that he's probably the bomb Hiro say go off, and that he likely gave his wife her cancer--it was really well done.
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Well, if he's not the bomb that goes off, that's one major red herring.
Anyway he seems like someone who could kill Sylar, if he learns to control his powers.
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We still know virtually nothing about Sylar. And I still maintain that Nikki/Jessica is going to be one of the villians this season. Jessica is a complete sociopath; personally I don't think her "motivations" will ever be reasonable (hiding the money, framing her husband's partners, etc), because she's just nuts.
I have a new theory from this week (man, this is getting to be a regular occurance). Simply by process of elimination, I think Sylar is Mr. Linderman. I know IMDB lists him as "Paul Sylar," but hey, if I were a mob boss, I'd use a pseudonym too. Also, he and Nikki already have a history, and Jessica also started manifesting around the time Nikki and her husband were getting messed up with him.
I did love the introduction of the nuclear guy this week. I'm sold on him being the source of the nuclear explosion in the "bad" future.
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... have we ever heard that name before? It seemed to come out of nowhere.
It does come out of nowhere.
I suspect that the powers don't show up at a certain age, just that everyone is starting to manifest powers at about the same time.
But why?
We've seen Micah coming for a while, but it was still a neat reveal. I especially like how he's so...nonchalant about the fact that he and his parents all have superpowers. Cooly asking Jessica to put his mom on the phone showed a lot about him.
I liked that, too. It was a pleasant surprize.
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OK, I'm lost here. IMDB says that Sean Bean plays Sylar and was only in the two episodes that aired last Monday and the Monday before that (10-30 and 11-6). But reading NBC's synopsis of the last episode, the radiation guy is Ted, not Sylar (and I know that could be a red herring), but also, I don't remember seeing Sylar at all in the episode on 10-30. Plus Sean Bean is not credited at all in the week we saw Sylar get shot and then come back to life and get away.
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They were all played by ninja monkeys
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I'll see your Jessica, and raise you Nathan. Willingness to do anything to acheive a goal is, to me, one of the hallmarks of a supervillian.
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Tage has me convinced on the Sylar/Linderman issue. We have yet to meet Linderman face to face, and that would be a very cool connection to make.
Another theory I proposed to Ent, and the one that explains why they've started crediting Sean Bean for episodes he's not in, is this: the show was not initially picked up for an entire season, they just made seix or seven and ran them to see how people reacted. I remember hearing after the second or third episode that the show had been officially picked up and new episodes were commisioned. I suspect that when the show turned out to be a huge hit they decided to pull in some weight and get a big name to play Sylar. He was only recently hired, but as soon as they got him they started putting his name on everything--including the episodes he's not in.
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Why would a mob boss have a crummy NYC apartment?
Radman is scary. Not a dude you wanna be around, no matter how nice he is.
Matt and FBI chick are so gonna hook up, later on. Or at least that's what FBI chick wants.
Nathan's point about his superpower being kinda useless was funny.
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Matt and FBI chick are so gonna hook up, later on. Or at least that's what FBI chick wants.
Oh man, I hope not. FBI chick rubs me the wrong way. Something about how she acts bugs me.
We finally 'see' more of Sylar for the first time. I am major creeped out. Killing the waitress was scary. Do we have motivations for his killing? Does it strengthen him somehow or increase his abilities? Why else would he be stealing their brains? Can't figure that out. And I don't want him to just be psychotic. That's so old. He needs to have a reason.
Also, I'm curious to know more about what Claire's dad does to 'help' everyone. It sure didn't seem like he was helping Matt or Nathan.
And Tina (that's her name, right? Claire's dad's helper?), is her ability persuasion? And how strong can it be since she didn't convince Mohinder to stick around?
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Her name's Eden. :) And I think she didn't actually use her power on Mohinder.
It looks like she doesn't like having to use it against someone's will, so I'm guessing she just used regular powers of persuasion on Mohinder, and that's why it didn't work.
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Man, I love this show. Great episode, and next week has got to be the Cheerleader showdown finally. Even the cop was awesome in this one, and so far he's only ever been tolerable at best. Or maybe I just liked this one so much because there was no Niki.
Also, I love Hiro.
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What did Hiro do in the past?!?!?!?!
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How far did Hiro go back? It was hard to tell when the picture was taken?
I like Matt. I'm probably more forgiving because I liked Greg Grunberg in another show, Alias.
Yeah, I agree on the Niki observation. This was the first show I got my husband to watch with me, and he was able to keep up because there weren't so many characters.
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The episode after the next one is entitled "Six Months Ago." I wonder if that is where Hiro went.
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I liked super-memory girl, but she was too sweet and liked Hiro too quickly, so it was obvious that she was going to die. I do hope she comes back, though.
What was really interesting was that Sylar was there for the girl, and apparently didn't notice that Hiro was a super as well.
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I also found it interesting that Sylar didn't seem to recognize Hiro as a super.
Something odd I noticed was that Matt and "Radioactive Man" knew that the guy who erases memories is Haitian. I don't remember him having a speaking part yet, and that seems like the sort of thing that would be hard to establish by looks alone.
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I also think that them being able to identify the mysterious man as a Haitian is a stretch. I think it's cool that they are inlcuding a Haitian character, but it's really hard to identify people's ethnicty now-a-days. So what additional information did Matta and radioactive-man pick-up that I didn't.
I think Sylar doesn't sense supers. He just has identified certain supers from working with Mohinder's dad (remember the map in Sylar's apartment). He doesn't know about Hiro because he only has been looking for those in the U.S.
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I just remembered...
Charlie said that she got the Japanese phrase book for her birthday when? Was it a 'few months ago', but she only got around to looking at it 'last week' right? So if the 'Six Months Ago' episode doesn't air for two weeks we won't find out what happened until then?!?!
Agony! I need to know sooner.
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As far as what happened--from the picture on the bulletin board, we can guess who gave her the Japanese phrase book. It would be interesting to know if that picture was there before Hiro went back.
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It would be interesting to know if that picture was there before Hiro went back.
It was. I specificially remember it with just Charlie in it. Then after Hiro goes back they zoom in and he was there.
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0704270/
That's the man playing Sylar now. What happened to Sean Bean? It looks like all mention of him has been removed from the Imdb listings.
Otherwise, fantastic episode. Sylar was scary, and his showdown with Eden made both look very creepy. Surprised that even Sylar can't resist the Haitan's powers, but I probably shouldn't be. This now makes me wonder why the Haitan didn't take care to negate Nathan's powers a couple episodes back.
I wonder if Zack's gay or not. I couldn't quite tell on a first watch through.
Mohinder said probably the most disturbing line tonight: he went up to a small boy in the street, knelt down and said 'You came to me in a dream'. Also I'm assuming that everyone in India is speaking in perfect English because they couldn't be bothered using subtitles. I'd like to know what's written on the boy's shirt as well.
I'm willing to bet that capturing Sylar will backfire on BGM.
The painting is probably Radiation Man.
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I agree with the idea that the painting is probably radition man. I liked that you could recognize so many of the paintings in this scenes from this episode.
So I'm wondering what Claire's dad is going to do now that Claire has told him about her powers?
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That was an awesome episode, except for one thing: Peter told Claire to run off by herself to get the police. He had no idea where Sylar was (he obviously wasn't dead), and no idea if it was safe anymore, and he still needed her regen powers, and they were both covered with blood, and--worst of all--he didn't have a good reason to stay behind. He just sat there doing nothing while the girl he was supposed to save ran off into the dark with a psycho supervillain still on the loose. The only possible explanation for this behavior is that the plot needed to separate Peter and Claire, and that kind of shoddy writing drives me up the wall.
That said, I repeat that this was an awesome episode. The scene in which Claire and Peter each realize that the other is a super was especially well done. I was disappointed that Sylar was obviously not Sean Bean (what's up with that, imdb?), but you barely ever see him so that's not a huge loss so far. Sylar is certainly confirming the telekinetic nature of his powers, but I can't decide if he has regeneration or not--he might have survived by slowing his fall, and then running away once he got his wind back, or he might actually have regenerated. Eden took him out easily enough, which makes me wonder why they've never just done that before. And I don't think the Haitian neutralized his powers, I think he just caught him when Eden put him to sleep.
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I thought that the way he pointed at Eden and then paused indicated that he was trying and failing to use his powers, this being before Eden said anything. I also think it's safe to say he didn't realise Peter was a super - otherwise he would have done some chowing. I expect that peter will become the best man to fight Sylar later, since he'll be on equal grounds with him. Depending on how good Peter gets at using his ability.
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Ok, I'll finally chime in on this. Just saw the recent episode, and I must say, it was probably one of my favorite's yet.
The one thing I didn't really like too much was that Peter figured out (somehow) that he absorbs others powers. Now, I took Peter to be a rather dim-witted guy who was just to over-zealous for his own good. And speaking of that scene where Claire runs off to get help, it would seem that the power(s) he absorbs is still around for a while even after the other super(s) have left. As you can see when he twists his foot back into place before the police arrest him (oh dear!).
I'm definately liking how the characters stories are starting to all come together. With Peter meeting Ando, and then going to Odessa to save the cheerleader. That was a fun few scenes.
I am still a bit unclear about this hatian dude. Does he make people sleep? And if so, did he need the help of that woman's persuasion ability to really knock Sylar out? If so, Sylar is much to powerful for anyone's own good!
Will the heros have to make a great decision and kill the Nuclear Man? What was that painting of? Some crazy red-energy being thingy.
Ent: Zach is certainly quite gay. It's rather obvious after a while of listening to how he talks to Claire when he comes to "rescue" her.
Nessa: We see the picture earlier in the episode without Hiro. Then at the end we see Hiro in the same picture.
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That was an awesome episode, except for one thing: Peter told Claire to run off by herself to get the police. He had no idea where Sylar was (he obviously wasn't dead), and no idea if it was safe anymore, and he still needed her regen powers, and they were both covered with blood, and--worst of all--he didn't have a good reason to stay behind.
I was thinking this exact same thing when I finally watched it yesterday. Hello, you're telling her to run off into the dark?! He might be out there!
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I was kind of bummed by last night's episode. I mean, it was cool, but now Sylar doesn't seem nearly as scary as he used to. It was interesting, but kind of a letdown.
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I actually loved everything about last night's episode--I didn't think the Sylar stuff was a letdown at all. He was very creepy, long before his powers showed up, and the idea that he doesn't have any powers at all if he doesn't kill people and eat their brains is pretty cool. It enhanced his spooky serial killer vibe, which I admit I'm partial to.
What was awesome about that episode, though, was everyone else's stories. We got stunningly perfect explanations for so many things:
Nathan hates flying because he blames it for his wife's accident. That made Nathan seem a lot more human, and made his "flying is stupid" attitude actually make sense.
Hiro told Peter to save the cheerleader because he couldn't do it himself, because he can't change the past directly. It's always bugged me that a cool dude with a sword who could travel through time didn't just pop into the past and save Claire; now we know why. Also, Charlie was an awesome character and her relationship with Hiro will certainly have a big impact on him. He's sat by twice so far while people were killed, without doing anything, and I don't think that will happen again.
Niki had a split personality long before her power showed up. I can't think of a better explanation for Jessica than the "dead sister and abusive father" angle they revealed last night. It doesn't make sense that a mutant superpower would involve a second personality (that was one of the big reasons I didn't like the character), but if the personality was already there due to prior trauma, it makes perfect sense that it would trigger when she Hulks out. That the second personality is abused, jaded, and violent makes the whole thing work really well. I was quite pleased.
On top of those explanations, we learned lots of other things: that Mr. Bennet has been dealing with superheroes long before Suresh; a little more about Eden's past (and that she looks twenty times better with long hair); a little more about the cop (who's name I still don't know: Matt?), and we've seen a second oracular dream by Peter. That's still at "coincidence" level, but it could develop into something interesting.
As for Sylar, I'm really surprised that you didn't like his backstory. What were you expecting?
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I found Sylar very creepy and I like the explanation for why he's going around killing supers (and not just because they're super). It makes me dislike him even more. It also makes me wonder what all his abilities are.
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I think the backstory for Sylar changed him from monstrous to serial killer. To me, he'd always seemed to be the monstrous, irrational-killer bad guy, while other people (Linderman, possibly?) seemed to be the more cerebral bad guys.
I think it's just the old monster-movie thing: the less you see the monster, the scarier he is. When you see him--and see that he can be understood--he is less scary. Don't get me wrong--it was a great backstory. I just was expecting him to be... more, I guess. More powerful, more all-knowing, not just a bad version of the other supers.
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I've thought of him as a serial killer since the beginning, not a monster, so I guess I was coming from a different perspective. Part of the problem is that the guy is creepy but not menacing. Imagine Sean Bean in the role and he'd be a heck of a lot scarier.
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Here's a question: did we ever see how Suresh tracked down all the supers? In particular, do we know ho he tracked down Claire? (She was adopted, and I got the impression that the adoption was kind of under-the-table.)
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The Mohinder flashbacks the past couple of weeks mentioned the Human Genome project, and I got the impression that Suresh was able to access the data gathered by that project and find those participants with abnormal gene patterns. That, of course, is assuming that the Human Genome project gathered DNA from thousands of people across the US and mapped their genes, which it may or may not have done. I have no idea.
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I didn't really see any explanation to as how he found out who was who. But I did like they backstory to Sylar. Now I want a Sylar watch. I think Eden looks much better with short hair; she just seems so... odd with longer hair.
I definately like Nathan much more now. Peter seems like an even bigger prick to me now. I hope he gets screwed by the fact that he's being cuffed and taken in by the police.
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This show gets better and better, and last night's was awesome. I can't believe we have to wait until January 22 to get another episode.
This was the episode where they said: stuff is actually going to happen on this show. Claire actually told her Dad what's going on, the dad actually wiped some memories, Eden actually got shot (we all knew she was dead as soon as she walked into the room, but the way she died was pretty cool), and the revelation at the end with the Haitian was stunning. So many of these shows never really do any meaty changes, because they try to maintain the status quo as much as they can. Killing a sort of main character, wiping Zach's mind, getting Isaac to paint without drugs--these are all huge steps forward, and show that these people are actually committed to advancing the plot rather than just leaving us in the dark as long as possible.
One of my favorite scenes was with Matt trying to read Peter's mind, and watching them wince back and forth as Peter unwittingly copied the power and triggered a feedback loop. Awesome. Though it seemed really weird, and kind of stupid, that Matt just left the room, and never came back to talkto Peter--last time he found a fellow super he didn't want to let him go, and had a million questions, and this time he just wandered off and didn't care. The follow up scene with Matt and whatsername staking out Mr. Bennet was also great, if only for finally addressing the issue of "how do you act if your partner can read your mind."
I'm also very pleased that the show has earned enough of my trust that I fully expect Hiro to actually fight a dinosaur.
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So I have some questions to ponder and discuss.
Why didn't what Eden say to Sylar work (i.e. telling him to kill himself)? It worked before when she told him to sleep.
Who do you think Claire's dad works for? The government?
And why did the Haitian not wipe Claire's mind? Why did her dad think that would be a good thing (to wipe her mind) when she would just discover it again and start the cycle over)?
Do you think Claire knew she was special before, but had her mind wiped?
Her dad must have known the Haitian for a long time if he's wiped Claire's mom's mind so much.
Seems like Sylar could have already escaped. Why hasn't he?
Does Claire's dad really think he can control Sylar? (Is he that dillusional?)
Could Peter use all of Sylar's abilities if he were near Sylar?
If so, could he use them against Sylar?
From what I understood from Peter's dream (which is prophetic, I assume), he uses Radioactive Man's ability to blow up. Why? Can't he control it? It seemed like everyone was afraid of him. How did they know what was going to happen?
Obviously many of these questions won't be answered till later, but if anyone would like to speculate on the answers . . .
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I suspect that Sylar's holding cell had some kind of anti-super "field" around it, which Eden turned off in order to use her powers on him. As for why her power didn't work on him, maybe it can't work through barriers? I don't know.
I hadn't thought of it until your comments, but maybe Claire has already learned about her powers before, and had her mind wiped before? I doubt it, because in the "Six Months Ago" episode she cut her hand and it took a day or two to heal completely, so her power wasn't working at full capacity until very recently.
As for Peter's dream, I suspect that he either can't control the power (he gets too close to the bomb guy, suddenly gets his power, and has no idea how to control it), or the whole dream was completely allegorical. I vote for the latter.
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Yeah, I don't think the dream was literal. Nuclear Guy would get really hot when he lost his temper--Peter seemed to be very calm.
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What was with Peter acting all sick? He was pale and coughing and stumbling around. I couldn't figure out what for. Any ideas?
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It might have something to do with him absorbing too many powers. Claire, Matt, Nathan, that's 3 powers being absorbed into him through the day. I'm starting to like Peter's character a little more now, mostly because he's the possible cause of the bomb and it makes me happy to see him hating on himself.
I am liking the progression of things though. It really is fantastic.
You'd think Mr. Bennet would have some kind of contingency plan for such happenings. And how did Nathan get out of there so easily? I know Eden gave him a passcard, but still. Wouldn't security be alert to knowing not to let him leave? Or did Eden persuade the guards into letting him go?
And I agree Fell, Hiro fighting a dinosaur is quite possibly one of the best ideas coming out of network television nowadays.
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I absolutely loved the conversation in the stake out, really funny.
'He can be kinda cute. Wait, did he just read my mind?' She looks across and sees Matt chortling to himself.
Feel sorry for Claire - losing Zack like that must be pretty harsh. And why would Mr Bennet want to use the haitan on Claire herself? To remove her memories of her friends knowing, or just to remove her knowledge of her power? It doesn't seem like a power that would take long to rediscover, since Claire is so amazingly accident prone.
I quite liked the end of Eden's little story arc - she was doing this morally ambiguous job and it just suddenly started getting to her.
Why did Eden think the Haitan couldn't speak? What's his secret?
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I don't think that even Mr Bennett knows that the Haitian can speak - I think he's kept that secret all to himself.
But I think the reason Mr Bennett wanted Claire's memory wiped was not for her to forget her powers - they will just be discovered again soon enough, but, rather, to forget about all of the others like Peter and Sylar, and the fact that there are others and a conspiracy with powers to wipe minds and that her father is a part of it.
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Probably. Now that Bennet knows for sure his daughter is a super, a mind wipe is a good way to start her discovery over again under his control--he can make sure she doesn't know there are others, and that she doesn't tell anyone other than him, and so on.
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Very true about the Haitian. I don't think that Claire's father knows he can speak either. And as for that, do we know who Claire's real parents are? Do we have any suspicions?
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I used to suspect that Sylar was her father, but now that we know him better that hardly seems possible.
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Claire's Mom, who has had her mind wiped several times, evidently, still remembered something odd about Claire's "chromosomes" when she was a baby. Did her father take her purposely because she was different, or destined to be?
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I got the impression that he didn't know until later, but he's apparently been searching for supers for quite a while now, so it's possible.
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Ok! OKOKOKOKOK! I was just reminded via my myspace page that Heros is coming back on Monday. Who is excited?! I am!!! Claire let me know that she'll be back Monday. Hiro fights the dinosaur! Hooray! Yata Desu!
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Does he actually fight a dinosaur this monday? He doesn't even have the sword yet.
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It sounds from the previews like he's triumphantly found the sword soon. He's holding a sword in one of his preview shots.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that he won't be fighting a dinosaur monday though. Even if he finds the sword, he doesn't know how to use it.
I don't see previews, so the question is, is it specifically a preview for Monday? or is it just "Heroes is coming back?"
btw, I *have* caught up, but I haven't read this thread. Too long. Tell me what the current arguments are about
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Oh, I'm sure it's just "Heroes is coming back, and Hiro will have a sword!" more than he'll be fighting a dinosaur tomorrow.
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Are you on the list?!
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oh oh, the guy who plays D.L., Micah's dad, was also on Smallville. He played one of the disciples of Zod! Yes, that's right, Zod.
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So... I still love Heroes, but I'm officially declaring it in a mid-season slump. The half-way point climax was cool, but right now they seem to be meandering a bit. And the characters are getting slighly inconsistent, which makes me fear a Lost syndrome. Hopefully the writers can still pull this off.
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Who's getting inconsistent?
I agree it's meandering. This is what they did at the beginning of the season, too--long, long wait for anything to actually happen.
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Micah, primarily. He's been a shining beacon of goodness since the show started, and suddenly he runs off and steals a couple thousand bucks out of an ATM. And does he feel at all bad or try to make excuses? Nope, just smiles at his dad and says, "Look what I can do!"
I also think Mohinder is slowing being turned into a Jack from Lost. Yelling a lot, not listening to reason, pursuing a misguided target with reckless abandon. I mean, if he was really that serious about what was going on, he would've at least listened to Mr. Bennet
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I agree with the comment about Micah. And I kindof agree with the comment about Mohinder, except that he's always been the weakest character for me, and I can never get a good idea of what he's doing or why. It's very weird that he didn't at least listen to Bennet.
Micah's dad (whose name I can't remember...DL?) is a consistent character, but one I've never liked. I know a lot of people think he's really neat, and were disappointed when he fell apart on Monday, but that's how I've always seen him--a deadbeat Dad who can't hold a job, runs away from problems, and resorts to crime at the first opportunity. If he decides to turn around and try to get Micah's act together, I'll be pleased...but I'd be more pleased if he tries to shepherd Micah into a life of crime, because that would be far more daring and interesting.
Niki, on the other hand, I like more every week, and Claire is proving to be one of the most proactive characters on the show (Hiro is the other, but he's had two very slow episodes in a row). I've always liked Nathan, because he's such a conflicted slimeball, and I'm delighted to see so much growth in him over the past two episodes. I can really see him turning into the leader of a team, assuming such a thing ever happens.
Overall I think the show is still on track, but with some stumbles here and there.
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Man, last night's episode was the best yet--very tense, very emotional, and great moments for every single character in it--even Claire's Mom had a scene to shine in. I'm fabulously excited for Matt and Bennet to become partners.
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Last nights episode was very good. I liked that it answered a lot of questions and that it had more action. I also liked how the hostage situation resolved. I really liked that Mr. Radioactive was able to see through Matt and Mr. Bennet's lies and that Mr. Bennet had a plausible way to foil Matt's telepathy.
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Yeah! This episode rocked. Fantastic!
There were some really cheesy lines in the first flashback, with its talking heads infodump, like "I'm comfortable with morally grey" and stuff like that...they were saying things that there was no reasonable reason for them to be saying in that situation.
But beyond that...the twists were great, and they kept surprising us.
So...WHAT DOES NAKAMURA-SAMA HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!?! Does he know about Hiro's power, or doesn't he?
Oh--last week--I think Ando did what stopped that bullet. The way time rewound and then ended up different didn't seem like Hiro's usual power to me. Karen says: They've established that Hiro doesn't change important things in the past...though that doesn't bode well for New York blowing up.
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I loved this week's episode too. I'm especially curious about the two mysterious females that have been introduced: the one with Matt and Ted, and the other this week at the end with the Company.
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Mmmmmmmmmmm! Juicy! This show is like a perfectly cooked steak! I mean, there's all sorts of spices and marinades, and other secret ingredients in here that just make this show fantastic!
This was THE best episode to date. I love how the characters are coming together and share certain moments together, even if they don't know it yet, or ever.
What's gonna happen next week? How many more episodes are we getting until they say, "Forget you guys! It's break time! HAHAHAH!" And then we all get up and march down (or up, or across, or from whichever direction your in) to the studio and demand they NEVER stop!
I knew I was going to like Parkman's character once he got more involved. Plus I didn't suspect Mr. Bennet of being a complete evil dude. Just moderately because of his profession.
The backstory was excellent in the point of giving us new information as to who the Invisible man was in his past life, and who Mr. Bennet works for.
JUICY!
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Which Hero are you? (Quiz) (http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=4885834462883321217)
You scored 75 Idealism, 45 Nonconformity, 41 Nerdiness
Congratulations, you're Mr. Bennet! You are one mysterious person with mysterious motives. Despite all the mystery, it's clear that you believe what you do is for the greater good, and you are obviously a well-educated person in your field. Your best quality: Dedication to your work/organization/etc. Your worst quality: Keeping too many secrets
Hahahhaha. I wouldn't have picked him for myself.
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Nice, I got Mohinder Suresh. I'm quite pleased with that.
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Yep, I'm Hiro. Kind of figured that's where it'd go.
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I'm Simone Deveaux.
Stats: 66 Idealism
54 Nonconformity
12 Nerdiness
According to this, I'm not much of a nerd. Ha! I got them fooled. *evil cackle*
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I'm Hiro! I got more than 99% on idealism, nonconformity, and nerdiness...I thought I was being a little more temperate than that, but there you have it.
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I got Micah Sanders.
I also scored over 99% on idealism, noncomformity, and nerdiness.
It also said I was extremely perceptive.
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Audrey Hanson
You scored 41 Idealism, 20 Nonconformity, 66 Nerdiness
Your best quality: Attitude Your worst quality: Attitude
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I'm Hiro! I got more than 99% on idealism, nonconformity, and nerdiness...I thought I was being a little more temperate than that, but there you have it.
The 99% is "How you compared to other people your age and gender". So you scored higher than 99% of people your age and gender.
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Who's Audrey?
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Who's Audrey?
She's the FBI officer who worked with Matt.
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Wow, tough break Spriggan. Audrey's a loser.
So I scored higher than 99% of people my age? It's like the SATs all over again.
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Last night's episode was another good one. I'm really looking forward to the showdown between Peter and Sylar, though it's ironic that the two most powerful characters are two of the weakest narratively. I've decided that I just don't like Sylar--he's not scary enough, or creepy enough, or likable enough, or unlikable enough, to fill the role he's supposed to fill on the show.
Nathan, on the other hand, really got a chance to shine in this episode--the sudden realization that he's been working for the FBI this whole time went a long way toward redeeming him, though he still has some serious personal problems. Meeting Linderman was satisfying as well, as was Ando's triumphant return and Niki's temporary victory over Jessica.
The one thing that bugged me about this episode was the growing realization that everyone in the whole universe knows about the supers. Linderman I expected--he's been pulling too many strings for too long to not know something about what's going on here. But Hiro's dad last week, and Nathan's mom this week, is just getting to be a little too much. If we find out next week that Parkman's wife has been in on it as well, I'm going to strangle someone.
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Oh, I don't know. I'd be willing to bet that both Mr. Linderman and Mr. Nakamura are part of the Company. We know the Company has some pretty serious funding, and those two sources would make sense. I was a little surprised by Nathan's mom, but hey, her husband was in tight with Linderman, and we know she's no dummy.
I agree on one thing: if we get many more characters secretly knowing about the supers, it will get annoying.
But not nearly as annoying as having to wait until April 23.
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I've thought that Nathan got set up with Claire's mom on purpose by Linderman, like he did with Niki.
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That's a very clever thought.
And I didn't know we had to wait until April 23. What's going on here? Are we getting quarterly mini-seasons instead of one real one?
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Here's an idea I was discussing with Fell yesterday: what if Simone's dad was a super? He had a vision, and then Peter started having visions--what if Peter absorbed that power from Simone's dad?
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Huh. I'd have to watch those early episodes where he was still alive. At the time I thought he was just a sort-of-loony old man, but we didn't know much about the show then.
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It does explain Peter's visions, which thus far we've been unable to explain. If he absorbs powers, he had to absorb the visions from somebody.
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Here's an idea I was discussing with Fell yesterday: what if Simone's dad was a super? He had a vision, and then Peter started having visions--what if Peter absorbed that power from Simone's dad?
Well, if Simone's dad was a super (having visions), could it be possible that Simone is a super of some sort? Mr. Bennett's organization took her, but maybe it was a cover-up and she somehow isn't dead? You just never know in a show like this. Five episodes later someone comes back to life and there is some tidy little explanation of how it's possible.
Anyway, I have another question that I have been thinking about a lot. Mr. Bennett told Sylar that he was unique because he had more than one power, and everyone else only had a single power. I guess even Peter only has one power; he's a sponge. So what exactly is the Haitian dude's power? I thought it was just wiping memories, but how come people can't use their powers around him? Wouldn't that make two powers? Or is it Mr. Bennett that can stop people from using their powers, and he doesn't even know it? I was wondering if they were just showing the Haitian guy every time Matt couldn't read Mr. Bennett's mind to throw us off. The first time Matt tried to read the Haitian's mind in the bar, he couldn't. It never showed Mr. Bennett, but that doesn't mean he wasn't there...?
To me, being able to negate someone's super abilities seems more powerful than stealing someone else's (like Sylar).
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It's hard to tell with this show, because it's very fond of placing weird psychological limits on people's powers: Hiro can't use his powers unless he has the sword, Isaac can't use his powers unless he's painting, Sylar can't absorb powers unless he eats the brain, etc. It's possible, though unlikely in my opinion, that Bennet can negate powers, but I think it would become too obvious to the Company eventually--if people around him can't use their powers, and there's no other explanation, people are going to notice. More likely it's an aspect of the Haitian's power that we don't understand yet. And I suspect it's something different from just negating powers, but I suppose that will be explained eventually.
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Besides that, people use powers around Bennett all the time. Parkman read his mind; Claire healed; the nuclear guy exploded; Sylar used telekenises.
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Have we seen the Haitian suppress anyone's power other than Matt? Since they're both mental powers, it might be the Haitian can only stop Matt. Or he's simply removing the memories of the thoughts Matt hears as soon as he gets them.
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It has been suggested, though I do not believe it, that the Haitian negated Sylar's powers the first time they caught him. Other than that, though, all we've ever seen was Matt unable to read minds.
I think if the Haitian could actually negate powers, he would have been able to stop Ted from exploding.
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Tonight's episode rocked. So many theories confirmed, as well as surprises. I about died laughing (okay, not really) when Linderman said he needed Micah—why didn't I figure that out long ago?! Subtle!
Can't wait for more.
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I was just so happy to have a new episode to watch!!
One thing I thought was interesting: when Nathan was talking with Peter about how he didn't know what he would do if Peter died, Nathan seemed so sincere. But when he talked to Claire about how she would need to disappear to Paris, but then come back to be with her family, he didn't seem to believe it at all. I also wonder what Nathan is feeling. He now knows what it would be like to lose Peter. Is he willing to possibly sacrifice him? (Granted, Peter thinks he can survive the blast--but can he?)
Also, I was a little confused as to how Nathan could become President of the US by the time the bomb goes off when the city is suppose to blow up within a few weeks. (Maybe I'm not understanding the timeline of it all. Or maybe we just don't know something. Hmm.)
Yay for Heroes!
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Also, I was a little confused as to how Nathan could become President of the US by the time the bomb goes off when the city is suppose to blow up within a few weeks. (Maybe I'm not understanding the timeline of it all. Or maybe we just don't know something. Hmm.)
You need to pay more attention to Linderman. He said Nathan would get elected to Congress before the bomb goes off, then *after* the bomb Nathan would use the unifying effect of the disaster to propel him higher and higher up the leadership chain. Supposedly, then, the picture of him in the White House would still be a few years down the road. It's vaguely similar to Rudy Giuliani's career since 9/11.
Anyway, I'm just getting more and more excited as Heroes goes on. I'm not sure what they're doing by leading us down this "what if the bomb really does go off" path, but I hope it's as interesting as it sounds.
And poor Isaac! He took his death so well, too. Plus I still maintain my theory that both Peter and Sylar are too powerful to live through the season, so... maybe Peter does explode. Personally though I'm betting on the bomb actually being Ted.
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I loved the fight between Peter and Sylar. It was so cool to finally have someone fight him that really had a chance. I was a little annoyed that Peter didn't seem to be picking up on Sylar's abilities--telekinesis and what not. Then Peter could have pushed back against the glass when Sylar was holding the glass in the air.
But I loved the look on Sylar's face when Peter began to heal himself and then went invisible. Sylar's just so annoying.
I also loved Claire getting to meet her father and finding out that Peter was her uncle. I figured she'd be the one to find the glass and pull it out. That was a cool scene.
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My new theory after last nights episode is that Sylar will be the bomb. Sylar dies somehow, so I'm thinking he will kill Ted and then end up exploding in New York.
Peter has to live through this somehow. Remember that future Hiro seemed to know Peter in the future.
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Pssst, Tink! I love your icon! :)
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I'm confused that Ookla says he should have "gotten" the Linderman-Micah thing earlier. What was there to get? I haven't seen any hints or connections at all before today, so if you've got a theory lay it on me.
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I'm confused that Ookla says he should have "gotten" the Linderman-Micah thing earlier. What was there to get? I haven't seen any hints or connections at all before today, so if you've got a theory lay it on me.
Yes, this confused me. Please explain.
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Well, it hasn't been revealed yet per se, so this may be a spoiler for a future episode: That Linderman would use Micah [hide]to rig the election. We knew Linderman knew about Niki's powers, so he had good reason to know about her whole family, and we knew that Nathan would somehow win the election and Linderman wanted him to. How is a mobster going to win someone an election? Election fraud should have been the obvious answer, but I didn't see it before. Many electronic voting machines are made by companies that also make ATMs, and we've already seen Micah hack an ATM. The clues were there.[/hide]
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Mmm, yes, I can see it. It was at the edge of my consciousness that it should have been obvious, but I couldn't figure it out.
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Pssst, Tink! I love your icon! :)
Thanks. Me, too :).
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ok, I just started ep 19 this morning, and I haven't finished it (linderman just told nikki/jessica he wanted to use micah... though I admit reading a bit of Peter's spoiler, and while I think that will happen, it seems he could also get the list out of Mohinder's computer still too ... I would imagine he has ways of learning about this kind of thing very easily)
But my big thing is this: I don't remember Nikki's man learning about Jessica being in charge. Did I just flake? I didn't miss an episode, no other story is missing any info that I can tell
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It was at the end of the last episode. He found a picture of something that Niki had been able to get to him, which was a clue for him that Jessica was in charge. He pretended with her for a while, but finally confronted her, and she replied with "I can do Niki better than she can!" in that sugary-sweet voice.
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I admit reading a bit of Peter's spoiler, and while I think that will happen, it seems he could also get the list out of Mohinder's computer still too ...
Oh, you're right! Good catch.
I wonder when that girl who can talk through computers will come back?
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I wasn't as impressed by last week's episode as most of you, but the one last night was awesome. The story was great, the 'what if?' characters were cool, and most of my theories were validated. Only what, three left? I hope they're all this strong.
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I was a little surprised to find out that the Haitian can, in fact, block all powers. Makes me wonder how that little mechanic works, and if he can turn it on and off.
Also I was sad to be sort of proven wrong about Jessica actually being one of the villians. But yes, this episode was fantastic, and the series is still strong despite getting into a time-travel plot.
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I'm not so sure about the idea that Linderman wants Micah to get the list from Mohinder's computer. I could be wrong, but I would think that Linderman could get that by force. I think that it's more important to Linderman to use Micah to rig the election somehow in order to make sure that Nathan wins.
I'm still curious about Nathan and Peter's mother. Does she have a power that we don't yet know about? She never seemed surprised by anyone's powers. Also, her character seems to know more than she's letting on.
Most of all, however, I want to know how Sylar was able to move when Hiro stopped time?
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I think Hiro either lost control or his moment of freezing just happened to finish at that moment because Hiro took too long to do what he was trying to do.
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I think Hiro's will wavered enough for Sylar to break through it. His power, after all, is being able to "see how things work." And Hiro was definitely hesitant about himself there, which has always messed with his power.
I'm certain Mrs. Petrelli has some kind of power, as did her husband. Every time we learn more about her, we find that she's closer and closer to the people orchestrating everything. We already found out Hiro's father is part of the Company, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Linderman and Mrs. Petrelli are too. (Have we ever heard her name?)
My biggest fear at this point is that they took 6 weeks off from the show to rewrite the season ending, since it became so popular. If they dont' resolve the Sylar thing I'll be pretty frustrated.
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What's bothering me at this point is that there are only two episodes left, and there's no way they're going to wrap this all up satisfactorily--they should have started concluding some of the lesser plots this week, but instead they actually introduced new characters and two new plotlines (Sylar having self-doubt, the little girl who can find people). There was a lot going on, but very little actually happened.
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We're confused about Mrs. Petrelli. Before it seemed like the Haitian was working with her AGAINST Linderman, but now she's working with Linderman? So...what exactly was the Haitian's purpose in taking Claire to "safety"?
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Did I miss something? When did the Haitian give indications of working with Mrs. Petrelli?
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When Claire showed up at her house in New York, the Haitian was there with her. ...Wasn't he?
Okay, yeah, from Wikipedia: Claire then goes to Peter Petrelli's apartment in New York, where she meets her biological grandmother Angela Petrelli. Much to Claire's surprise, the Haitian is there, and speaks to Angela in French. He has been secretly working to protect Claire on Angela's orders.
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Ah, thanks, I'd forgotten that. Admittedly, hiding her granddaughter from the Company doesn't exactly seem like working against the company. The only thing that seems obvious is that she's got her own agenda.
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It does make sense that there would be different factions with different agendas.
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Or they know that Claire would try to run away, so they let her think that she did while knowing exactly where she is.
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So, will Hiro be able to save his friend? Will our time and effort be for naught as Sylar begins to explode, then the episode ends and we have to wait until next season? Whatsa gonna happen?
Everything's coming towards this big conclusion, but which one are they going to use? And then, once it does end, we'll be speculating over whats going to happen next season! Hooray!
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I just don't see how Sylar could be the one that blows. How would he survive it? In the future episode, Claire was still alive, so Sylar didn't take her power to regenerate. So it must be Peter who does it. But why? I doubt he just "loses control," so he must have a good reason. But then if it's Peter, then why is killing Sylar the key to stopping it? Ack!
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Here's a thought about surviving the explosion: in the past, Sprague was never affected by his power--he didn't get cancer, he didn't burn, etc. So who's to say that he can't simply survive the explosion? I don't think that's at all unreasonable.
After Nakamura discussed the samurai legend with Hiro--about how the samurai was willing to lose his heart (or something to that effect)--I wonder if Hiro is going to have to sacrifice Ando to kill Sylar. He might have to choose.
And Linderman's death was mucho rad. I figured DL was going to die--it was nice to see him go down fighting.
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Most recent body count:
DL: didn't see it coming
Ted: knew it had to happen
Thompson (company man): holy crap
Linderman: woah, seriously?
I'm hoping Sylar doesn't get Candice, like the future implied he would. For some bizarre reason she's growing on me.
Also, I was checking the NBC forums to get Thompson's name, and I discovered a big freaking spoiler that made me very angry at the writers. They're going to do what I'd hoped they wouldn't. I guess I won't say any more than that until next week.
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So looking around the NBC site I found the "novels" which are just short comics. After reading them I'm impressed at how well they fill in little details. They mostly focus on the lady who can talk to computers--Hana. They also explain more about Linderman and you get to know more about the Petrelis.
I like that they moved these subplots to another medium. They really aren't that important for the show, but help round out the world.
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I really liked this episode, except for the very tail end when they broke character in some serious, stupid ways:
1. Parkman didn't hear Mohinder sneaking up on him? Thompson knew he had to clear his mind, so I can almost buy that, but Mohinder would have been broadcasting "I'm right behind him. I'm going to hit him" loud and clear.
2. Ando ran off by himself, for no reason, with no explanation? The guy who's entire role in the show is to keep Hiro grounded in reality suddenly got so impatient he ran off alone to kill a supervillain? That's amazingly stupid on the writers' part. They didn't even pretend to make it plausible, just off he goes.
Other than that, it was great. I especially liked Candice in this one. The big problem is, I don't think they can tie it up in one episode, and I honestly don't think they're even going to try. They're going to keep Sylar alive (which is stupid--we need a new villain each season, Buffy style), and virtually none of the plot lines are going to wrap up. Maybe I'm just a pessimist (well, I'm definitely a pessimist), but there you go.
And DL might live--he stuck his fist straight into healing-man's brain, so it may have started healing him involuntarily. Or maybe I'm just so happy to see them finally doing something, I can't bear to lose him. Niki's little triumph over Jessica was awesome, though. Yay for that.
One more thing: what kind of gun does everyone keep using? Is it real? It's got a very distinctive shape, and I'm really curious if it means anything.
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The big problem is, I don't think they can tie it up in one episode, and I honestly don't think they're even going to try. They're going to keep Sylar alive (which is stupid--we need a new villain each season, Buffy style), and virtually none of the plot lines are going to wrap up. Maybe I'm just a pessimist (well, I'm definitely a pessimist), but there you go.
They can't wrap it up in one episode. The show wasn't suppose to last this long but now that it is one of the biggest show on TV, they can't end it. Sylar, in particular, must be kept alive because of his popularity among views. This show isn't about writing a good series or progressing the plot. It's about TV rating and commercial advertising! Thus, long live Sylar (until the ratings really start to plummet).
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WHEW! I'm so glad they didn't do what I was afraid they'd do, although I am slightly annoyed they let Sylar live. Also annoying is that they didn't mention Peter could have, theoretically, just flown up into space by himself. I mean, they could have slipped in a little something about him not having control because he's overloading, but oh well.
At least it tied in to the Save the Cheerleader thing. Claire had to live to give Nathan a reason to stop the bomb. I guess it worked well enough.
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Well I'll be a ninja monkey's uncle--they actually did it. They wrapped it up in one episode, and brought all the characters together for a climactic battle, and every one of them did something cool and meaningful, and...I'm stunned. Sylar survived, which I think is very stupid, but we'll worry about that next year--for now, I'm fantastically pleased with how things turned out. The only thing that didn't happen is that Claire didn't punch her grandmother in the face, but there's plenty of time for that next year.
Of the many, many character arcs that wrapped up today, nothing made me cheer more than Niki finally using her superpower without giving in to Jessica--I literally stood up and cheered. She went from a character I didn't like in the beginning of the series to one that triumphed and made me love her. It was really a great moment, and I commend the writers and the actor. Well done.
As for next season, we know that Peter can survive blowing up, and I'm telling myself that Nathan is not necessarily dead either--he could have flown him up super high, dropped him, and ran. I don't know. He's too good of a character to lose, but I suppose they've proved they're not shy of killing characters.
One question, though: when Candice was knocked unconscious and morphed back into her natural form, why wasn't it her REAL natural form? That would have been a cool moment. I guess she has her Missy Peregym body set as the default somehow, I don't know.
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Dangit, Tage beat me.
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I was pleased with the ending. I agree with Tage that I don't see why Peter didn't just fly up himself. But I expect to see Peter return in some sort of Silver Surfer fashion in the next season. I do kind of hope that Nathan and Peter don't return next season, but I do want to see their mother return.
I'm both glad and annoyed that they showed us the start of the next season. I don't want to wait a year to see what happens to Hiro in feudal Japan.
Also, I'm glad they alluded to a bigger baddy than Sylar for the next season.
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I was so annoyed that Hiro didn't have the sense to immediately, after stabbing Sylar with his sword, to cut off his head. Everyone knows that to make sure to kill a villain, you cut off his head, and then burn the body for good measure. How dumb. And no one seemed to take any notice of Sylar whatsoever. He was able to crawl (and I assume slowly from the blood trail) to the sewer and get under without any opposition. He knows exactly what he needs to do now to be President.
Which brings me back to Peter. We're assuming he survives because when Hiro went to the future, Peter was there and I can't remember who, but someone indicated that he was the real bomb, and not Sylar. So if he had been the one to explode and survived, then I doubt he didn't this time (esp. since he can fly and regenerate).
So Peter survives. Tell me, what will prevent Peter from blowing up later? In the vision of Peter exploding, he was in a very busy area of the city during the day. There were lots of cars around him and the other heroes were running away from him. Not like in last night's episode, where it was night, hardly anyone was around, and the heroes were standing there watching. This worries me. I know Nathan wanted to save Peter and everyone by sacrificing himself (assuming he was not able to get away before the explosion), but it may have been worthless. If Peter comes back the next day and explodes, then Nathan won't be dead long enough for Sylar not to take over (for people to know Nathan died). I'm sure Sylar knows where Candice is and will take her ability while she's still unconscious and replace Nathan. Maybe Peter won't even realize because he'll want to believe Nathan didn't die.
It seems to me that Peter's inability to control going nuclear is because Peter is a very emotional being, and when his emotions flare, so does his nuclear powers. Sylar, on the other hand, seems very unemotional, which is why he's able to easily control going nuclear. Ted had to go through a lot before he was able to control it. So I think this is why Peter goes to drinking and such in the future and seems much more cold. Just a thought.
And I agree with Fell about Candice not reverting to her true form. I was thinking the same thing.
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What if Sylar didn't survive? That smear on the sidewalk looked--to me, at least--more like he'd been dragged into the sewer.
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I think it's more likely that Candice becomes Nathan than that Sylar kills Candice and does it himself. The company will carry out their plan as well as they can without the explosion, and the heroes will be left to wonder why Nathan is back, and if it's really him, and of course it won't be.
As for Peter coming back and blowing up again, I don't think it's an issue for two reasons: first, it will probably take him a long time to reform and come back; second, they've already spent a whole season on "gee, I hope I don't blow up," and I can't imagine them doing it again. The second season will, ideally, have different conflicts.
And Mustard--you are absolutely right. It did look more like a drag than a crawl, and if it was a drag, the bug on the manhole cover at the end could have more meaning: maybe there's a villain who can control bugs or something, who lives in the sewer. That would make me very, very happy.
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Tink's issues with what we saw in the 'future' episode are questioned when we know that they changed the past, so of course the future is changed.
This means we can speculate anything! Hurrah!
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I think it's more likely that Candice becomes Nathan than that Sylar kills Candice and does it himself. The company will carry out their plan as well as they can without the explosion, and the heroes will be left to wonder why Nathan is back, and if it's really him, and of course it won't be.
That makes sense in a way, but didn't Nathan change to Sylar and then start using Sylar's powers (i.e. couldn't be Candice). She may be able to make you see things, but she couldn't make you feel pain that wasn't there. I would have to watch that scene again, but it seems like he starts to open up Claire's brain.
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Have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes:_Origins
Heroes: Origins is an upcoming American science fiction drama television series, a spinoff of NBC's hit show Heroes. Heroes: Origins will introduce one new character per episode, and viewers will choose which character will join the main cast at the end of the run. The second season of Heroes and the first season of Heroes: Origins will include a total of 30 episodes.
The reason given for the spin-off was to remove the mid-season hiatus, which caused the ratings to falter when Heroes returned in Season 1. "We've got something I call the 'bulk-up challenge' for next year, which is trying to stay more consistent in our scheduling for the audience," NBC chief Kevin Reilly told reporters Monday (5/14) at a press conference announcing the network's 2007-08 schedule. "We asked ['Heroes' creator] Tim Kring to come up with an idea, and what I love is not only did we bulk up with 30 hours next season, but also a whole new idea which I think is going to take the show to the next level." While not all scheduling details have been hashed out, Reilly says, "I'll tell you one thing you won't see is 'Origins' peppered throughout, I think that would be difficult for the audience to navigate."
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I like the idea, but of course this is all contigent on it being done well. I can see them making Heroes: Origins like The Outer Limits in a way which will make it more of a viable and relevant show. Course, it could also end up being cheesy filler.
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So I watched the replay of the season finale on SciFi.
Peter seems to indicate that he can only use one power at a time. He says "I can't stop it. I can't do anything." I think this idicates that he can't use Nathan's flying ability while the radioactive power is still running.
As far as for Sylar still being alive. There is the sewer cover shot that is sort of vague. There are two shots before that shot that seem to indicate Sylar is definitely dead. It also doesn't indicate if the ambulance people did anything about the body, unless the the dragged blood stain was caused by them. Still, it seems odd that Claire's Dad and Suresh wouldn't have made sure that Sylar's body made it's way to morgue.
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Fans of Alias will enjoy this tidbit:
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=523521d3-c001-4103-969b-12b6970929ed (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=523521d3-c001-4103-969b-12b6970929ed)
Sark on Heroes. I love it.